Wrestling Thread, Not Only Are You Next...You're Last! - Part 233

[Tacit Ronin]

Love those gifs. I saw a press conference from this era a while back where Hogan called the WWF title a toy and the IWGP Heavyweight belt a real championship.

A shrewd politician, that Hogan always is.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Yeah I've seen that and other matches of Hogan in Japan, If only he was allowed to wrestle like that in wwf by vince. Hogan was actually a decent wrestler but of course vince would water people down even back then.

He wrestled a more technical style in the WWF during the mid 80s, before his matches became more formulaic in 87 or 88. Some of them were his usual power/brawling matches but there were others where he'd use chain wrestling, takedowns, and submissions. Here's a good example, vs. Don Muraco in 1985.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6uoks_hulk-hogan-vs-don-muraco-wwf-title_sport

 

[Lantern Venom]

Yeah I've seen that and other matches of Hogan in Japan, If only he was allowed to wrestle like that in wwf by vince. Hogan was actually a decent wrestler but of course vince would water people down even back then.

That was a different time for Hogan. IIRC, that match with Muta was between his title loss to Yoko (where he was in the worst shape of his career) and his eventual entrance into WCW in '94. He was looking healthy again, but he wasn't the massive 300lber that he had been prior leaving the WWF for the first time. He couldn't get away with being the overpowering superhuman character at that size, and to his credit, he changed his routine a little.

Love those gifs. I saw a press conference from this era a while back where Hogan called the WWF title a toy and the IWGP Heavyweight belt a real championship.

Hogan always seemed to have an edge to his character in Japan, even when he was a babyface.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Goldberg is not a wrestler. He was a cartoon that Eric Bischoff created almost 20 years ago with one gimmick and one gimmick only. Keep him away from the ring before he ends up killing someone.

I'm sick of Goldberg constantly being given crap for this, as if he intentionally ended Bret's career. Out of all the guys who have also been responsible for seriously injuring or ending someone's career, it's always "F Goldberg for ending Bret's career". What about Owen and Austin? Or Sting and Rick Rude? Or Seth Rollins' recent spate with injuring opponents? I mean, Bret seems to regard Rollins in just about the same way he regards Goldberg and yet everyone jumps to his defense because he's from the indies and does a lot of flippy moves.

Seriously, 16 years of bitterness and venom against one person who made a mistake is enough, wouldn't you say? You all got over Rollins ending Sting's career five minutes after it happened.

As for this notion that Goldberg wasn't anything but a corporate creation who was manufactured to be popular, I'd like to point to all the musclebound, dominant wrestlers over the years who nobody ever gave a crap about, even though the bookers wanted them to. We have one right now, Braun Strowman. If literally anyone could fill that sort of role, why isn't Strowman more popular? And why in spite of the obsessive efforts they've put into getting Reigns over is he still being booed out of arenas left and right?

 

[nite-owl]

Hideo itami might be injured could be out of the Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/764165-hideo-itami-injured

 

[Serpico Jones]

Sting was 56 years old when he wrestled Rollins. I do agree though that Rollins needs to be more careful.

 

[Mani-Man]

I'm sick of Goldberg constantly being given crap for this, as if he intentionally ended Bret's career. Out of all the guys who have also been responsible for seriously injuring or ending someone's career, it's always "F Goldberg for ending Bret's career". What about Owen and Austin? Or Sting and Rick Rude? Or Seth Rollins' recent spate with injuring opponents? I mean, Bret seems to regard Rollins in just about the same way he regards Goldberg and yet everyone jumps to his defense because he's from the indies and does a lot of flippy moves.

Seriously, 16 years of bitterness and venom against one person who made a mistake is enough, wouldn't you say? You all got over Rollins ending Sting's career five minutes after it happened.

As for this notion that Goldberg wasn't anything but a corporate creation who was manufactured to be popular, I'd like to point to all the musclebound, dominant wrestlers over the years who nobody ever gave a crap about, even though the bookers wanted them to. We have one right now, Braun Strowman. If literally anyone could fill that sort of role, why isn't Strowman more popular? And why in spite of the obsessive efforts they've put into getting Reigns over is he still being booed out of arenas left and right?

While i absolutly dont like Goldberg, i never understood the whole "Ending" Harts Career thing.
Who came up with this, was it Bret hart himself?

Its complete and utter crap.
Yes he injured Bret hart with a sloppy and stiff kick, but thats it.

The person who is at fault for Bret Hart ending his in ring career, is bret hart.
Bret hart who willingly stepped into the ring despite having a concussion.
Bret hart who was willing to take bumps even though he had a concussion.

I agree with everything bad people say about Bill Goldberg, but not when its about him ending Bret harts career.

 

[RetroNaz]

While i absolutly dont like Goldberg, i never understood the whole "Ending" Harts Career thing.
Who came up with this, was it Bret hart himself?

Its complete and utter crap.
Yes he injured Bret hart with a sloppy and stiff kick, but thats it.

The person who is at fault for Bret Hart ending his in ring career, is bret hart.
Bret hart who willingly stepped into the ring despite having a concussion.
Bret hart who was willing to take bumps even though he had a concussion.

I agree with everything bad people say about Bill Goldberg, but not when its about him ending Bret harts career.

That's a pretty fair point, particularly when you read Brett's book. Though he does seem to blame Goldberg for it anyway.

 

[TX85]

Really sucks about Hideo if true

 

[RetroNaz]

He really can't catch a break. I wonder if this means he's done?

 

[TX85]

Does Ibushi get to tag with someone else?

 

[WereCoyote]

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As for this notion that Goldberg wasn't anything but a corporate creation who was manufactured to be popular, I'd like to point to all the musclebound, dominant wrestlers over the years who nobody ever gave a crap about, even though the bookers wanted them to. We have one right now, Braun Strowman. If literally anyone could fill that sort of role, why isn't Strowman more popular? And why in spite of the obsessive efforts they've put into getting Reigns over is he still being booed out of arenas left and right?

You should probably go back and watch some old editions of Nitro. After the streak ended, Goldberg got booed out of his fair share of arenas too.

 

[TX85]

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[SpideyVille]

The episode of Arrow that Cody Rhodes guest stars in airs next week. I love how the preview says he's a "Stardust" dealer.

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[chamber-music]

Broken Matt Hardy : "If MeekMahan allows The Day of New to appear at #TotalNonstopDELETION's #APOCALYPTO, I'll make an appearance on MeekMahan's Show."

Please let this happen Vince!

 

[chamber-music]

NXT thoughts

"Maybe if you didn't spend your time playing with a ham radio with the toothless kid and the weirdo you'd be better off Tom" - Clearly Corey Graves is a Stranger Things fan.

Samoa Joe is now the one man beat down clan.

TyDilly sold that impending Sanity beatdown with the reach out for Bobby.

Wesley Blake got Tough Enough's Sara Lee pregnant.

 

[Wheels]

I don't care for Bill Goldberg but the character was successful and he got over where other guys didn't. I also feel like he was mishandled in WWE. Bill totally overrates himself just as much as some hardcores downplay his impact though. He hasn't been relevant since the early 2000s yet he held out on a contract for freaking years and continued to waste his window. You weren't even in the business that long, Bill. You didn't go to another company or sport entirely and raise your value. You wasted your prime wrestling years basically doing nothing, and yet you and WWE now see yourself as just as important as you were in 1998. How lucky for you that WWE can't create stars I guess. Bill Goldberg was a huge star and no one should ever try to take that away from him. I've really become less and less of a fan of his over the years though. The guy is the Creed of pro wrestling and he acts like he is The Rolling Stones.

 

[Slushy]

FOX Sports is reporting Nikki Bella had to sign a 75 page agreement before moving in with John Cena!!! 50 Shades Of Cena apparently.

#SignTheContract

I don't care for Bill Goldberg but the character was successful and he got over where other guys didn't. I also feel like he was mishandled in WWE. Bill totally overrates himself just as much as some hardcores downplay his impact though. He hasn't been relevant since the early 2000s yet he held out on a contract for freaking years and continued to waste his window. You weren't even in the business that long, Bill. You didn't go to another company or sport entirely and raise your value. You wasted your prime wrestling years basically doing nothing, and yet you and WWE now see yourself as just as important as you were in 1998. How lucky for you that WWE can't create stars I guess. Bill Goldberg was a huge star and no one should ever try to take that away from him. I've really become less and less of a fan of his over the years though. The guy is the Creed of pro wrestling and he acts like he is The Rolling Stones.

While he has an ego, he's the biggest star WCW created so its a justified ego. He made himself and the company A LOT of money.

I agree with everything bad people say about Bill Goldberg, but not when its about him ending Bret harts career.

Bret was understandably upset about when the accident happened, but in his DVD (I think), he took blame for the mule kick spot gone wrong since he didn't put up his hand up in time like he was supposed to.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

You should probably go back and watch some old editions of Nitro. After the streak ended, Goldberg got booed out of his fair share of arenas too.

Yes, I realize he was booed at times, but the point is there is only so much you can do to manufacture a top face, and no matter how many great ideas a writer or promoter or whatever has, if the wrestler they assign the gimmick to isn't appealing to fans, they'll boo them. And after the streak ended, nothing WCW did was very helpful in regards to maintaining Goldberg's popularity and momentum. He was the biggest star they had created during that period and they blew it by never putting the belt back on him. He should have won the WHC again in 1999 with nothing screwy happening like at Halloween Havoc against Sting where he claimed it wasn't a championship match.

 

[Mani-Man]

FOX Sports is reporting Nikki Bella had to sign a 75 page agreement before moving in with John Cena!!! 50 Shades Of Cena apparently.

#SignTheContract

Really? Damn.
I watched total bellas out of curiousity, and cena seems like a nice but...anal guy.
He wants to have full control over everything his way.
I get a bit of a creepy vibe from him.

Bret was understandably upset about when the accident happened, but in his DVD (I think), he took blame for the mule kick spot gone wrong since he didn't put up his hand up in time like he was supposed to.

I think most botches are both peooles faults.
Hart had to know how sloppy and dangerous it is to work with goldberg, so he should have been even more careful.
But the way goldberg executed the kick was just dumb.
Its been a while but if i remember correctly, he completely turned away from hart and kicked as if nobody was there...completely without care.
It was very unprofessional and sloppy.

Of course he was understandably upset, but i dont get how a man like bret hart, thought the concussion was no big deal and stepped into the ring again while having it.
Did he knew it or did he found out later after everything gone downhill?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm sick of Goldberg constantly being given crap for this, as if he intentionally ended Bret's career. Out of all the guys who have also been responsible for seriously injuring or ending someone's career, it's always "F Goldberg for ending Bret's career". What about Owen and Austin? Or Sting and Rick Rude? Or Seth Rollins' recent spate with injuring opponents? I mean, Bret seems to regard Rollins in just about the same way he regards Goldberg and yet everyone jumps to his defense because he's from the indies and does a lot of flippy moves.

Seriously, 16 years of bitterness and venom against one person who made a mistake is enough, wouldn't you say? You all got over Rollins ending Sting's career five minutes after it happened.

As for this notion that Goldberg wasn't anything but a corporate creation who was manufactured to be popular, I'd like to point to all the musclebound, dominant wrestlers over the years who nobody ever gave a crap about, even though the bookers wanted them to. We have one right now, Braun Strowman. If literally anyone could fill that sort of role, why isn't Strowman more popular? And why in spite of the obsessive efforts they've put into getting Reigns over is he still being booed out of arenas left and right?

Injuries happen. Careers end, and it is nobodies fault. But how it happens does matter. Goldberg was being supremely careless with a guy with a pristine record. If you don't know how to go stiff, you don't go stiff. Goldberg was a crap wrestler, who clearly didn't know what he was doing, even at that point. Just compare it to Regal going stiff with Goldberg, where no one got hurt. Why? Because Regal actually knew what he was doing. Bret wrestled for how many years and hurt how many people? And I am talking serious injuries here. I loved Owen, but I still can't watch that Summerslam match, because he too was being incredibly careless.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't care for Bill Goldberg but the character was successful and he got over where other guys didn't. I also feel like he was mishandled in WWE. Bill totally overrates himself just as much as some hardcores downplay his impact though. He hasn't been relevant since the early 2000s yet he held out on a contract for freaking years and continued to waste his window. You weren't even in the business that long, Bill. You didn't go to another company or sport entirely and raise your value. You wasted your prime wrestling years basically doing nothing, and yet you and WWE now see yourself as just as important as you were in 1998. How lucky for you that WWE can't create stars I guess. Bill Goldberg was a huge star and no one should ever try to take that away from him. I've really become less and less of a fan of his over the years though. The guy is the Creed of pro wrestling and he acts like he is The Rolling Stones.

His run was huge, but he didn't sustain it. Once he was "beaten" he was irrelevant. He also wasn't a good worker, so that never helped in terms of longevity. That he came along at the same time at Austin, who had a far larger impact that and was able to sustain that through various losses and rising baby faces, just makes Goldberg look like a blip in comparison.

As to his WWE run, yeah they didn't handle that well. But I think I would have quit if he just ran through the roster, because at that point it was pretty clear. He wasn't worth the effort.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

So I just read that Billy Corgan is suing Dixie Carter and TNA.He also filed a restraining order.This is getting messier.

 

[Slushy]

Supposedly, Dixie tried to sell more company stock get funding for the January tapings without telling Corgan. He found out and this lawsuit prevents it from happening.

I feel sorry for everybody working for TNA. This company has been a disaster since Dixie made her debut on TV. UGH!

 

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