X-Men ‘97 X-Men ‘97 News and Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS!!!!)

[Mike Murdock]

I wonder if that giant bird monster that kidnapped Storm is going to be something to do with Shadow King. I just got that vibe when it showed up.

It's almost certainly drawing from Fall of the Mutants. The show isn't afraid to shake things up, but it's essentially an antagonist of Forge.

 

[Donner]

It's almost certainly drawing from Fall of the Mutants. The show isn't afraid to shake things up, but it's essentially an antagonist of Forge.

Oh man if they actually go that route and kill off all of the X-Men only for season 2 to take place in Australia…

I would laugh.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hmm I would love to see the regular line up to have Havok, Dazzler and Psylocke.

 

[squeekness]

Yeah and that’s the problem for me.

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I don’t really care for comics teaching me a lesson about how crappy the real world is and how final death is. I’m well aware. Genosha being massacred is enough of a reminder. Killing off favourite characters for the sake of drama is lame.

Agreed on all counts.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I just recently finished the episode and it was a roller coaster of emotions lol

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Im still in shock how much they can do in 30 min episodes. All the X-Men episodes have not wasted any minute haha and have been entertaining. I can't wait to see Rogue get revenge and also for the upcoming Storm episodes. Im not particularly upset about losing some characters (Magneto is actually my favorite character) for the rest of the season. I don't know if they have plans to undo the massacre with time travel or keep it canon in this universe but I trust they will eventually do every character justice with more seasons and stories. Marvel Universe is full of different universes and stories where they could easily bring them back.

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Magneto is my favorite character too and they definitely had a lot more story to tell with him, but honestly, I hope he stays dead. I like it when these things have consequences as opposed to Comic Book Heaven having a revolving door instead of pearly gates.

 

[Lip]

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Magneto is my favorite character too and they definitely had a lot more story to tell with him, but honestly, I hope he stays dead. I like it when these things have consequences as opposed to Comic Book Heaven having a revolving door instead of pearly gates.

I agree.

I doubt...

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Gambit and specially Erik will remain dead.

... but I'd like to feel more the consequences. My hope is that at least these events last a while.

And hopefully there will be more room for other mutants to be showcased.

 

[squeekness]

I agree.

I doubt...

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Gambit and specially Erik will remain dead.

... but I'd like to feel more the consequences. My hope is that at least these events last a while.

And hopefully there will be more room for other mutants to be showcased.

Maggot!

 

[Arachnerd]

I agree.

I doubt...

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Gambit and specially Erik will remain dead.

... but I'd like to feel more the consequences. My hope is that at least these events last a while.

And hopefully there will be more room for other mutants to be showcased.

I could see

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Magneto maybe surviving and returning back to villainy because of the genocide, with Scott going down the revolutionary path after learning about Madelyne's death and potentially joining him at the end of the season.

But I feel, other than my aforementioned theory of him maybe (and that's a big maybe) returning as Death, that this is the last we've seen of Gambit. The showrunners have very much emphasized that they wanted this to feel like a tragedy and refutied the idea of bringing people back, so I highly doubt any of the deaths will be undone.

 

[Donner]

I could see

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Magneto maybe surviving and returning back to villainy because of the genocide, with Scott going down the revolutionary path after learning about Madelyne's death and potentially joining him at the end of the season.

But I feel, other than my aforementioned theory of him maybe (and that's a big maybe) returning as Death, that this is the last we've seen of Gambit. The showrunners have very much emphasized that they wanted this to feel like a tragedy and refutied the idea of bringing people back, so I highly doubt any of the deaths will be undone.

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It just takes so many future characters out of the running. Dazzler, Shaw, Moira, Maddie, Banshee, Callisto. Like are they just saying screw their stories no one cares? Moira is like a super villain in the comics. I just think it was ****ty of them to kill off so many big names for the sake of tragedy. Genosha is destroyed. Thousands if not millions died. We get the tragedy. They don’t need to turf fan favourites and key figures.

 

[Lip]

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It just takes so many future characters out of the running. Dazzler, Shaw, Moira, Maddie, Banshee, Callisto. Like are they just saying screw their stories no one cares? Moira is like a super villain in the comics. I just think it was ****ty of them to kill off so many big names for the sake of tragedy. Genosha is destroyed. Thousands if not millions died. We get the tragedy. They don’t need to turf fan favourites and key figures.

The reason you're pissed is the reason it worked. If it were a bunch of unknown characters, it wouldn't have the same emotional resonance.

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Of course we would feel the sad impact of the genocide. But when you deeply care and know who's there, it hits you harder.

And I wouldn't call that cheap drama. If we felt hard the way we did, they did it right.

 

[Donner]

The reason you're pissed is the reason it worked. If it were a bunch of unknown characters, it wouldn't have the same emotional resonance.

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Of course we would feel the sad impact of the genocide. But when you deeply care and know who's there, it hits you harder.

And I wouldn't call that cheap drama. If we felt hard the way we did, they did it right.

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No the reason I’m pissed is because Beau and others keep harping on this “the real world is tragic” trope and I don’t read comics to be reminded of that. I read comics for an escape from that. Also, X-Men and the MCU has seen its fair share of tragic deaths already (Logan comes to mind). I just don’t see it as necessary here or warranted.

Some of those characters keep getting turfed in the shows and movies and so to kill them off is lazy and uninspiring to me. I don’t want writers to kill off characters that express their desire for a happy ending. It’s a cheap trick that’s been overused. This isn’t about grief, it’s about frustration.

I know they won’t bring back Gambit. And that’s a huge mistake on their part, in my opinion.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Speaking of such matters...

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Does anyone else get the feeling that with Magnus 'killed off', somehow Xavier will come back from the dead in the season finale? I'm 1000% sure that'll be the cliffhanger.

 

[Lily Adler]

Okay a friend and I are watching X-Men 97 from the beginning so calm yourselves and your worshipping of the misogynist, bottom-shaming showrunner.

 

[Lip]

Speaking of such matters...

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Does anyone else get the feeling that with Magnus 'killed off', somehow Xavier will come back from the dead in the season finale? I'm 1000% sure that'll be the cliffhanger.

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Yeah, Xavier death is the weirdest because he didn't actually died at the end of the original. He left with Lilandra because it was his only chance to survive. I believe he will be back eventually.

Now, when it comes to undoing Gambit's death, if that happens, I hope it's something like Gamora in the MCU. They brought her back, but kept the impact of what happened, and I enjoyed how they handled it.

I'm also thinking, a.k.a hoping, the season will end introducing a new roster.

 

[BobJM]

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I love the discussion around the series and Episode 5 but I'm shocked at everyone's assumed finality of certain characters like Gambit. We're comic fans right? Does anyone ever stay dead? It feels like when everyone left the theater after Infinity War and actually thought half of the heroes would stay dead. I mean Vision was co-headlining a spin-off series in the first MCU entry post-Endgame.

For an episode that had Sinister in the opening credits (who has his own history with Gambit) and kicked off Act 3 with the sudden appearance of a certain time traveler, I would wager that Gambit's death will not be forever. Sure, I'll grant that he may not be resurrected this season, but we've already got Season 2 and 3 greenlit so I wouldn't be shocked to see Gambit reappearing as Apocalypse's new horseman Death or, in the very least, having Cable save him (or another version).

I could see this season ending with Scott and Jean leaving the team to go figure their relationship out, with maybe Storm returning to lead. Or Rogue could step into the leadership role--after all, she was ready to become queen of Genosha. That'd be an interesting place for her character to go--then in Season 2, Miss Marvel can awaken from her coma and seek revenge on the woman who stole her life & take Rogue back down a peg.

Hopefully Jean & Scott wouldn't be gone forever--maybe they journey to the future like that limited series they had in the 90s?

I also fully believe that Magneto is alive (if there's no body, he's still kicking). I could see him going full villain again and end the season by ripping out Logan's adamantium skeleton, thus setting up his story for Season 2.

 

[Arachnerd]

Okay a friend and I are watching X-Men 97 from the beginning so calm yourselves and your worshipping of the misogynist, bottom-shaming showrunner.

Wait, were people doing that earlier in this thread? I'm confused.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

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I love the discussion around the series and Episode 5 but I'm shocked at everyone's assumed finality of certain characters like Gambit. We're comic fans right? Does anyone ever stay dead? It feels like when everyone left the theater after Infinity War and actually thought half of the heroes would stay dead. I mean Vision was co-headlining a spin-off series in the first MCU entry post-Endgame.

For an episode that had Sinister in the opening credits (who has his own history with Gambit) and kicked off Act 3 with the sudden appearance of a certain time traveler, I would wager that Gambit's death will not be forever. Sure, I'll grant that he may not be resurrected this season, but we've already got Season 2 and 3 greenlit so I wouldn't be shocked to see Gambit reappearing as Apocalypse's new horseman Death or, in the very least, having Cable save him (or another version).

I could see this season ending with Scott and Jean leaving the team to go figure their relationship out, with maybe Storm returning to lead. Or Rogue could step into the leadership role--after all, she was ready to become queen of Genosha. That'd be an interesting place for her character to go--then in Season 2, Miss Marvel can awaken from her coma and seek revenge on the woman who stole her life & take Rogue back down a peg.

Hopefully Jean & Scott wouldn't be gone forever--maybe they journey to the future like that limited series they had in the 90s?

I also fully believe that Magneto is alive (if there's no body, he's still kicking). I could see him going full villain again and end the season by ripping out Logan's adamantium skeleton, thus setting up his story for Season 2.

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I'm not assuming this will be permanent, I'm just hoping for it. The characters trying to deal with the aftermath of an event like this would be more interesting than some sort of time travel plot to undo it like in End Game or Days of Future Past. We've seen that many times.

The last episode seemed to be building to Scott becoming the new Magneto. I could see some sort of X-Men Civil War with Jean & Wolverine on one side and Scott & Rogue on the other.

 

[BoredGuy]

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I love the discussion around the series and Episode 5 but I'm shocked at everyone's assumed finality of certain characters like Gambit. We're comic fans right? Does anyone ever stay dead? It feels like when everyone left the theater after Infinity War and actually thought half of the heroes would stay dead. I mean Vision was co-headlining a spin-off series in the first MCU entry post-Endgame.

For an episode that had Sinister in the opening credits (who has his own history with Gambit) and kicked off Act 3 with the sudden appearance of a certain time traveler, I would wager that Gambit's death will not be forever. Sure, I'll grant that he may not be resurrected this season, but we've already got Season 2 and 3 greenlit so I wouldn't be shocked to see Gambit reappearing as Apocalypse's new horseman Death or, in the very least, having Cable save him (or another version).

I could see this season ending with Scott and Jean leaving the team to go figure their relationship out, with maybe Storm returning to lead. Or Rogue could step into the leadership role--after all, she was ready to become queen of Genosha. That'd be an interesting place for her character to go--then in Season 2, Miss Marvel can awaken from her coma and seek revenge on the woman who stole her life & take Rogue back down a peg.

Hopefully Jean & Scott wouldn't be gone forever--maybe they journey to the future like that limited series they had in the 90s?

I also fully believe that Magneto is alive (if there's no body, he's still kicking). I could see him going full villain again and end the season by ripping out Logan's adamantium skeleton, thus setting up his story for Season 2.

Yeah on the one supposed casualty, all I can say is "no body no crime"
But I think Gambit is screwed for a while, which really sucks

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He's the most 90's of all X-Men, he should've been the star of this s***!

 

[psylockolussus]

Maggot!

I would like Maggott to get the spotlight as a guest.

Back in the original series, I always liked how when an episode centered on a mutant guest. Nightcrawler, Colossus, Longshot, Iceman with the X-Factor, Bishop. The others like Psylocke and Dazzler didn't get that importance despite appearing in the show.

 

[Donner]

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Well with the majority of one love triangle killed off, I guess Scott/Jean/Wolverine take centre stage…again. And why not, it’s not like there were three-ish movies dedicated to it. *sigh*

 

[psylockolussus]

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They could use Madelyn or Emma

 

[BoredGuy]

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Well with the majority of one love triangle killed off, I guess Scott/Jean/Wolverine take centre stage…again. And why not, it’s not like there were three-ish movies dedicated to it. *sigh*

Unless they go the Krakoa route
Throuple time! lol

 

[Spider-Fan]

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On this killing characters debate, I am against killing characters frequently. It loses impact if done too often and just needlessly loses possible stories. So I feel like a good reason is needed when you pull that plug. In this case, I am 100% okay with it. They needed to do this for the moment to have the desired impact. I don't want to see this become a super kill happy show, but here it really worked

 

[Lip]

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I love the discussion around the series and Episode 5 but I'm shocked at everyone's assumed finality of certain characters like Gambit. We're comic fans right? Does anyone ever stay dead? It feels like when everyone left the theater after Infinity War and actually thought half of the heroes would stay dead. I mean Vision was co-headlining a spin-off series in the first MCU entry post-Endgame.

For an episode that had Sinister in the opening credits (who has his own history with Gambit) and kicked off Act 3 with the sudden appearance of a certain time traveler, I would wager that Gambit's death will not be forever. Sure, I'll grant that he may not be resurrected this season, but we've already got Season 2 and 3 greenlit so I wouldn't be shocked to see Gambit reappearing as Apocalypse's new horseman Death or, in the very least, having Cable save him (or another version).

I could see this season ending with Scott and Jean leaving the team to go figure their relationship out, with maybe Storm returning to lead. Or Rogue could step into the leadership role--after all, she was ready to become queen of Genosha. That'd be an interesting place for her character to go--then in Season 2, Miss Marvel can awaken from her coma and seek revenge on the woman who stole her life & take Rogue back down a peg.

Hopefully Jean & Scott wouldn't be gone forever--maybe they journey to the future like that limited series they had in the 90s?

I also fully believe that Magneto is alive (if there's no body, he's still kicking). I could see him going full villain again and end the season by ripping out Logan's adamantium skeleton, thus setting up his story for Season 2.

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Yeah, we've seen the comics, but this is different. It's not like everyone who died in the MCU returned. And Gambit's death here has a very specific context. It's different. Also, we don't fully know what their plans are. The original show has never been this dark or dramatic. They're taking a drastically different approach here. And if they have a 3 season plan, for instance (which I doubt), I could see him remaining dead. And/or, if their plan is to keep showcasing new mutants every season as part of this rebranding and reintroduction of the X-Men, I can also see Gambit having an emotional heroic sendoff to give room to someone like Kurt, Colossus, Betsy, Kitty, Bobby, Alex, Rachel and many others...

Yeah, I've seen the comics and won't be mad at all seeing him returning. But I feel they cannot do it unceremoniously. There should be some consequences (like Gamora in the MCU).

 

[Donner]

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On this killing characters debate, I am against killing characters frequently. It loses impact if done too often and just needlessly loses possible stories. So I feel like a good reason is needed when you pull that plug. In this case, I am 100% okay with it. They needed to do this for the moment to have the desired impact. I don't want to see this become a super kill happy show, but here it really worked

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I disagree because of how turfed Gambit has been in the shows and movies. I personally would have loved to see Wolverine kick it. That would have had an impact too and he’s been given enough screen time over the last 30 years. In this case, it feels like Gambit’s death is just to further Rogue’s story arc and that never sits right with me.