X-Men ‘97 X-Men ‘97 News and Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS!!!!)

[Spider-Fan]

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I disagree because of how turfed Gambit has been in the shows and movies. I personally would have loved to see Wolverine kick it. That would have had an impact too and he’s been given enough screen time over the last 30 years. In this case, it feels like Gambit’s death is just to further Rogue’s story arc and that never sits right with me.

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Wolverine has cred by being Wolverine, but within this season it would have been out of place. He isn't attached to many major stories to this point. Gambit feels tragic precisely cause this plot point has been emphasized. Because it feels it ended abruptly. And yeah, it's to partly serve Rogue's arc, but any death in movies or shows are doing that or should be. Whether it be killing Obi-Won in Star Wars or Apollo Creed in Rocky IV or whoever. If you are not advancing a story or a character, then killing a character doesn't matter and doesn't need to be done. If we are saying Gambit got fridged essentially, I don't think so at all. Gambit went out here like a hero in a sequence that had broader reasons to exist. Yes, you can say the collateral damage hammers the point to an extent, but 9/11 has a different context if you know someone who died that day or was there. Callisto and such don't convey that strong enough. Gambit and Magneto (assuming he is for sure dead and not saved by Leech) make it more personal for the audience. Hence why it was necessary

 

[Weather Witch]

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Just saying that we still haven't seen a body for Magneto. And he just stopped being 'detected' next to a character who temporarily removes mutant powers. Though I guess they could start the next episode with his body as well.

 

[Donner]

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Wolverine has cred by being Wolverine, but within this season it would have been out of place. He isn't attached to many major stories to this point. Gambit feels tragic precisely cause this plot point has been emphasized. Because it feels it ended abruptly. And yeah, it's to partly serve Rogue's arc, but any death in movies or shows are doing that or should be. Whether it be killing Obi-Won in Star Wars or Apollo Creed in Rocky IV or whoever. If you are not advancing a story or a character, then killing a character doesn't matter and doesn't need to be done. If we are saying Gambit got fridged essentially, I don't think so at all. Gambit went out here like a hero in a sequence that had broader reasons to exist. Yes, you can say the collateral damage hammers the point to an extent, but 9/11 has a different context if you know someone who died that day or was there. Callisto and such don't convey that strong enough. Gambit and Magneto (assuming he is for sure dead and not saved by Leech) make it more personal for the audience. Hence why it was necessary

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I respect your viewpoint but I don’t agree. I don’t believe in killing off characters for shock value after hyping them up and especially not after they express a desire for a happy ending. I know I know it’s all about “death is tragic!” but like I said before, I don’t consume this content to be reminded of how ****ty the world is. Genosha being massacred is poignant enough without killing off characters that still have so much story left.

 

[Spider-Fan]

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I respect your viewpoint but I don’t agree. I don’t believe in killing off characters for shock value after hyping them up and especially not after they express a desire for a happy ending. I know I know it’s all about “death is tragic!” but like I said before, I don’t consume this content to be reminded of how ****ty the world is. Genosha being massacred is poignant enough without killing off characters that still have so much story left.

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This wasn't for shock value. This wasn't a Game of Thrones type death sequence where guys you met 5 mins ago die just for a swerve. This was meant to give the audience a personal touch. Like I said, context changes if your brother died in an event like this vs a stranger or your mail person you maybe spoke to like twice.

As for the point on not wanting to be reminded how bad the world is, X-Men is a book meant to cover issues like this. If this was Paw Patrol or SpongeBob, I would agree. But this is very in line with an issue the X-Men should be used for

 

[Donner]

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This wasn't for shock value. This wasn't a Game of Thrones type death sequence where guys you met 5 mins ago die just for a swerve. This was meant to give the audience a personal touch. Like I said, context changes if your brother died in an event like this vs a stranger or your mail person you maybe spoke to like twice.

As for the point on not wanting to be reminded how bad the world is, X-Men is a book meant to cover issues like this. If this was Paw Patrol or SpongeBob, I would agree. But this is very in line with an issue the X-Men should be used for

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They built Gambit up specifically to kill him off. Beau said as much when he said the crop top was to make people love him. That’s shock value for me.

X-Men also has mechanisms for reviving characters. If it’s true that the showrunners said they don’t want to revive the dead (I haven’t seen a quote anywhere) then that ruins this show for me personally.

 

[Spider-Fan]

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They built Gambit up specifically to kill him off. Beau said as much when he said the crop top was to make people love him. That’s shock value for me.

X-Men also has mechanisms for reviving characters. If it’s true that the showrunners said they don’t want to revive the dead (I haven’t seen a quote anywhere) then that ruins this show for me personally.

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I haven't seen such a quote personally. Just seeing it discussed conceptually by fans. In the end, to thine own self be true. If ya dislike the show if that's how they approach it, that's up to you. I personally disagree in this case. But that's just me and my preference

 

[BoredGuy]

I'm loving the show, but am still quite angry about it, which I guess is kinda what they wanted
we'll see how it goes and whether or not I'll be back to watch season 2

 

[Venom 1988]

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I will say, as good of writing as this show has had, I’m a little tired of killing off the love interests of women as some sort of “you’ll be stronger for it!” mentality. Gambit literally says in the episode that the white picket reward isn’t for a scoundrel like him and Nightcrawler reassures him that love is forgiveness and then at the end it’s like “sike! You’re right. No happy ending for you. Die with the thought that the woman you love doesn’t love you back!” I find that needlessly cruel and it’s a trope I’m not too fond of. Killing off the men to develop a woman’s story doesn’t sit right with me.

Especially since the writers are dead set on telling the fans that death is permanent in this show.

/end rant

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Given plenty of women characters have had to deal with this trope for decades, way more than men characters ever had to deal with (to the point that Simone created the term fridging), I give this a pass. Besides like others mentioned, this was not done for shock value. Gambit had been built up plenty throughout the series and his death was done in a very tasteful and tbh pretty bad*** way to go out, by saving hunderds if not thousands of mutants

Anyway, in other news, clip for tomorrow. Seems like we're taking a side trip to outer space and an appearance from Vulcan.

 

[Lily Adler]

Wait, were people doing that earlier in this thread? I'm confused.

Just seen a lot of DeMayo praise in general, but remembered he's a talented but toxic person.

 

[Lip]

Oh god, I just see Disney/Marvel put X-Men 97 as part of the multiverse saga playlist.

Ugh...

I'm devastated.

 

[JP]

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Given plenty of women characters have had to deal with this trope for decades, way more than men characters ever had to deal with (to the point that Simone created the term fridging), I give this a pass. Besides like others mentioned, this was not done for shock value. Gambit had been built up plenty throughout the series and his death was done in a very tasteful and tbh pretty bad*** way to go out, by saving hunderds if not thousands of mutants

Anyway, in other news, clip for tomorrow. Seems like we're taking a side trip to outer space and an appearance from Vulcan.

Cookin’

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Whoever is in charge of doing these promos deserves a raise LOL.

 

[psylockolussus]

Oh god, I just see Disney/Marvel put X-Men 97 as part of the multiverse saga playlist.

Ugh...

I'm devastated.

They are obviously throwing it in the Madness of the Multiverse as one of the cartoon realities along with What If?. Marvel Zombies and the new cartoons for Wakanda and Spider-Man would be included as well.

Though I doubt what happens in this show will affect the story of the MCU films. Probably just some nods and references like the X-Men theme song.

 

[Arachnerd]

Yeah, I don't think there will be more than that. Just that it exists in the Marvel multiverse.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

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Anyway, in other news, clip for tomorrow. Seems like we're taking a side trip to outer space and an appearance from Vulcan.

i love the X-MEN!!

 

[Spider-Fan]

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Given plenty of women characters have had to deal with this trope for decades, way more than men characters ever had to deal with (to the point that Simone created the term fridging), I give this a pass. Besides like others mentioned, this was not done for shock value. Gambit had been built up plenty throughout the series and his death was done in a very tasteful and tbh pretty bad*** way to go out, by saving hunderds if not thousands of mutants

Anyway, in other news, clip for tomorrow. Seems like we're taking a side trip to outer space and an appearance from Vulcan.

Is that Ronan in the thumbnail?

 

[Venom 1988]

Is that Ronan in the thumbnail?

Yep that's him.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yep that's him.

I thought it was, but I don't watch the previews for the episodes. I like going in cold without watching clips and such before a movie or show. So I didn't see him in motion lol

 

[BobJM]

Wasn't expecting a trip to space in tomorrow's episode, but it might start to give us hints as to where Lilandra & Charles are after the finale of the original series.

 

[Sithborg]

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Given plenty of women characters have had to deal with this trope for decades, way more than men characters ever had to deal with (to the point that Simone created the term fridging), I give this a pass. Besides like others mentioned, this was not done for shock value. Gambit had been built up plenty throughout the series and his death was done in a very tasteful and tbh pretty bad*** way to go out, by saving hunderds if not thousands of mutants

Anyway, in other news, clip for tomorrow. Seems like we're taking a side trip to outer space and an appearance from Vulcan.

I can't believe they are combining that story with THAT character.

Which just reminded me of another branch of the family tree that hasn't been resolved yet in the comics. I will ****ing laugh if Xandra shows up, though.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I can't believe they are combining that story with THAT character.

Which just reminded me of another branch of the family tree that hasn't been resolved yet in the comics. I will ****ing laugh if Xandra shows up, though.

seems to be rise and fall of shiar empire.. that got me back into comics

 

[Sithborg]

seems to be rise and fall of shiar empire.. that got me back into comics

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More like adding Vulcan to the whole Warskrull story that pretty much was the return of Xavier in the comics

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

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More like adding Vulcan to the whole Warskrull story that pretty much was the return of Xavier in the comics

either way lets go!!!

 

[Lip]

I thought it was, but I don't watch the previews for the episodes. I like going in cold without watching clips and such before a movie or show. So I didn't see him in motion lol

Yep, I do the same and I try even avoid emotional spoilers. Sadly I knew last week's would be explosive.

 

[JC00]

After seeing the episode title for this week's episode I figured it be full on the Storm/Forge stuff and yet the preview clip is

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the Shi'ar and Kree fighting and the first appearance of Vulcan.

This show keeps surprising me