X-Men ‘97 X-Men ‘97 News and Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS!!!!)

[Lip]

He also claims that the director and exec that fought him and other creatives against comic accuracy has tossed all of his ideas for season 2 and 3. He seems to imply they have that mentality "we know better than the comics" and were pushing for Emma and Logan to be a couple at one point. They also tossed AoA and Ounslaught he was planning.

Although I appreciate and certainly want more comic accuracy after the FOX era, these are not as serious as racism and homophobia. It's just creative decisions that might piss off fans.

 

[kguillou]

Yup, and my biggest concern now is Disney being like "MORE WOLVERINE!!!" after D&W's massive success. It was so refreshing seeing Wolverine not be the star of the show and being reverted to that lovable badass grunt. I dont wanna see him usurp Cyclops and Storm as leaders on the team.

 

[Lip]

Yup, and my biggest concern now is Disney being like "MORE WOLVERINE!!!" after D&W's massive success. It was so refreshing seeing Wolverine not be the star of the show and being reverted to that lovable badass grunt. I dont wanna see him usurp Cyclops and Storm as leaders on the team.

Yeah. I dont expect it to be atrocious as the FOX era, but I do think they'll give him a bigger role.

Won't be surprise to see them adapting Schism.

And if the claim of Logan and Emma are true, I expect that kind of creative choices too.

 

[kguillou]

I'm not at all opposed to giving Logan more to do, i think its only right we see more of him in light of what happened in the finale, i just dont want him taking over the show.

 

[Lip]

I'm not at all opposed to giving Logan more to do, i think its only right we see more of him in light of what happened in the finale, i just dont want him taking over the show.

Yeah, I fear Wolverine actually might take over the X-Men in all medias. In 97 too. But based on what S01 established, I don't think they'll treat Scott, Storm and Rogue like crap, giving them 2 lines of dialogue and/or killing them off in dystopic futures.

But yeah, I do fear he'll take over the X-Men everywhere.

 

[Lip]

I thought S01 was a step in the right direction. And given all the positive reaction, even earning an Emmy nom, I thought this would encourage them to continue a more progressive approach. (Naive me, I know)

The idea of having a less political, kid friendly and potentially cutting any slight sign of any tiny little queerness... ugh.

 

[psylockolussus]

Remember when Iron Man took all the screentime from Thor, Hulk and Captain America... which didn't happen in the MCU.

2026 wait for season 2... what a way to kill interest for a cartoon series.

 

[Lip]

Yeah... thank god they did not tie Iron Man with Spider-Man or with Doctor Doom.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah... thank god they did not tie Iron Man with Spider-Man or with Doctor Doom.

You're under the impression that Wolverine will be hogging screentime under Marvel Studios, similar to the Fox era. If they were so team Wolverine, they wouldn't have approved the screentime Wolverine got in the first season, and would have forced that guy (who was fired) to add more Wolverine. In my recollection, that didn't happen, right? We also got the Professor and Beast to appear in the Mcu movies, before the Wolverine even if its not a lead role.

Mind you, MCU released solo movies for Thor, Hulk, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Shang-Chi. Not sure, if Iron Man appeared in those movies, though I'm pretty sure Iron Man didn't appear in Guardians and Eternals.

This just seems unnecessary complaining. If Wolverine gets more screentime in second season well thats just expected as Wolverine is still a major character. And good thing, there are other projects that would feature these mutants.

 

[kguillou]

You're under the impression that Wolverine will be hogging screentime under Marvel Studios, similar to the Fox era. If they were so team Wolverine, they wouldn't have approved the screentime Wolverine got in the first season, and would have forced that guy (who was fired) to add more Wolverine. In my recollection, that didn't happen, right? We also got the Professor and Beast to appear in the Mcu movies, before the Wolverine even if its not a lead role.

Mind you, MCU released solo movies for Thor, Hulk, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Shang-Chi. Not sure, if Iron Man appeared in those movies, though I'm pretty sure Iron Man didn't appear in Guardians and Eternals.

This just seems unnecessary complaining. If Wolverine gets more screentime in second season well thats just expected as Wolverine is still a major character. And good thing, there are other projects that would feature these mutants.

Admittedly it is paranoid speculation at this point but at the same time, it also comes from a place of knowing how these studios work. Disney gave Beau carte blanche because they didnt really know how it was gonna pan out. Now here we are, the show's a big hit, Beau is gone, they've hired a guy thats worked on What If? to spearhead the series and Wolverine just headlined a huge huge summer blockbuster hit. I think its only natural to speculate that the Disney studio heads are going to want to add a LOT more Wolverine going forward into the series. Which, again, isnt a bad thing so long as the other characters aren't sidelined. Most of us championed how s1 FINALLY gave Scott his proper due as a leader after seeing him be Logan's b*** in all forms of media for the last two decades.

 

[Lip]

You're under the impression that Wolverine will be hogging screentime under Marvel Studios, similar to the Fox era. If they were so team Wolverine, they wouldn't have approved the screentime Wolverine got in the first season, and would have forced that guy (who was fired) to add more Wolverine. In my recollection, that didn't happen, right? We also got the Professor and Beast to appear in the Mcu movies, before the Wolverine even if its not a lead role.

Mind you, MCU released solo movies for Thor, Hulk, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Shang-Chi. Not sure, if Iron Man appeared in those movies, though I'm pretty sure Iron Man didn't appear in Guardians and Eternals.

This just seems unnecessary complaining. If Wolverine gets more screentime in second season well thats just expected as Wolverine is still a major character. And good thing, there are other projects that would feature these mutants.

Yeah. I dont expect it to be atrocious as the FOX era

This is pure gaslighting. In this very page I literally say the opposite, but you deliberately ignore it to put words in my mouth anyway. It's pure gaslighting.

I know why you do this. I ignore 98% of your posts even when you reply to mine. So you use gaslighting to get a response out of me.

I'm not engaging.

 

[psylockolussus]

Even if the Wolverine got the most screentime in season 2, there would be other X-Men related projects in the Mcu, that won't have the Wolverine or even if the Wolverine is in the project, it won't look like the Wolverine show that we had from 2000 to 2017. The X-Men reboot is already rumoured to not have the Wolverine as part of the main roster. And if Disney makes a live action spin off show, for one of the X-Men, its definitely not going to have Hugh Jackman in it.

The main concern for this should be the long gap between 1st and 2nd season. And I think a season 3 might be in trouble because by 2026, when Doomsday is about to hit cinemas and then Secret Wars to end the Multiverse story arc one yearlater. Doing more of X-Men 97 might be redundant by then. And I doubt we are going to have an ongoing X-Men cartoon series and a rebooted X-Men movie at the same time.

 

[psylockolussus]

This is pure gaslighting. In this very page I literally say the opposite, but you deliberately ignore it to put words in my mouth anyway. It's pure gaslighting.

I know why you do this. I ignore 98% of your posts even when you reply to mine. So you use gaslighting to get a response out of me.

I'm not engaging.

You literally said this "Yeah, I fear Wolverine actually might take over the X-Men in all medias".

Like I just said, I don't see Hugh Jackman taking over a Disney+ live action show for one of the X-Men.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I take everything Demayo says with a grain of salt.

 

[Sithborg]

It is clear that DeMayo has a motive to try to paint all their actions as negatively as possible. Given how loosely everyone tosses what "Age of Apocalypse" means, I question just exactly what he means by that. And if this means they are tossing the Blood of Apocalypse stuff, good.

 

[Breogan]

Yet if they used "his" story (which Marvel owns anyway) would he then be complaining they stole "his" story plans?

 

[BobJM]

All of this DeMayo stuff is exhausting. S01 was really good, but it wasn't the end-all / be-all. Plenty of other creatives who can handle the X-Men besides Beau DeMayo.

Sure, I would have liked seeing S2 in 2025, but S1 is plenty rewatchable, so I'm sure we can manage.

 

[Lip]

creatives who can handle the X-Men besides Beau DeMayo.

I agree. But for me the issue is not no DeMayo. The issue is Disney.

Getting the X-Men right could mean different things, and for me it's not just about comic accuracy, but all the themes involved.

'97 was a major pleasant surprise for me in terms of how queer it felt (even with virtually no explicit queerness). I felt so represented. It was great for me. And we all know how much the X-Men reflects our struggles. The possibility of cutting or down playing those things is heartbreaking and deeply infuriating too. And let's face it, dishonest too in terms of how much "inspiration" our history offers them.

And it goes beyond what DeMayo says. There are recent news on Disney's approach on Inside Out 2. That with plenty other things like Don't Say Gay Bill, the movies "not having messages anymore" approach, Buzz Lightyear...

They can get the right person. But will they allow them to do the right thing?

We'll have to wait for 2026.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Plenty of creatives can do great X-Men work, many far better than DeMayo I am sure, but as uncomfortable as it is to say it because he's a colossal POS it is clear that one of the main things that differentiates '97 from its contemporaries in modern animated superhero stuff and indeed the rest of Disney's Marvel output as a whole was his voice. He's absolutely got a grifter streak in him, dudes always been savvy about stoking fandom drama to his advantage, so I don't entirely trust anything he's saying right now but at the same time... not hard to imagine a lot of the surprisingly overt allegorical and political stuff being dropped in the future.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't see how they can change all that much when they already have significant chunks of animation finished. How much can they legitimately change at this point? Maybe if they are in the second half of the season and the animation that was shown was in the first half.

 

[TheVileOne]

This has to be false. They already showed a preview of S2......I need Disney to release a statement STAT!

We saw a chunk of completed footage D23, so I don't know how they can rewrite most of the season unless they are tossing most of it in the trash, which I don't see happening. I'd need some more context on this story.

Also, is Nexus Point News a reliable source?

 

[Sithborg]

I don't see how they can change all that much when they already have significant chunks of animation finished. How much can they legitimately change at this point? Maybe if they are in the second half of the season and the animation that was shown was in the first half.

If the 2026 rumor is real, then yes, they are scrapping a **** ton. Even small rewrites after the voice overs have been completed is a ****ton of work. And if they are, as an older rumor stated, rewriting enough to be able to remove DeMayo from the credits? Yeah, late 2026.

 

[Lip]

Plenty of creatives can do great X-Men work, many far better than DeMayo I am sure, but as uncomfortable as it is to say it because he's a colossal POS it is clear that one of the main things that differentiates '97 from its contemporaries in modern animated superhero stuff and indeed the rest of Disney's Marvel output as a whole was his voice. He's absolutely got a grifter streak in him, dudes always been savvy about stoking fandom drama to his advantage, so I don't entirely trust anything he's saying right now but at the same time... not hard to imagine a lot of the surprisingly overt allegorical and political stuff being dropped in the future.

He's been using these allegations to defend himself, that's the issue. So people will have a hard time believing in him, which ironically it's what he said Disney wanted.

Standing on the victims side and standing on Disney side are two very different things in my eyes. And I feel it's entirely possible both sides are rotten. Allegations of Disney being homophobic I take it more with a shocked Pikachu face than a grain of salt. But DeMayo is not helping.

I don't see how they can change all that much when they already have significant chunks of animation finished. How much can they legitimately change at this point? Maybe if they are in the second half of the season and the animation that was shown was in the first half.

If I'm not mistaken they said at one point they wanted to release new seasons with less than a year interval, which means early 2025 for season 2. So yeah, it's very likely they have been tossing a lot of stuff specially to take DeMayo's writing credits.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Its weird. I am constantly seeing "Disney won't let X-Men be X-Men, they won't be true to the themes, etc"... but... they are the ones who produced X-Men 97 in the first place. This is arguably the darkest and most adult X-Men cartoon TV series that we have ever gotten, and it was produced by Disney and Marvel. So if they really had problems with all the themes, why didn't they cut them from the first season?

 

[Lily Adler]

Its weird. I am constantly seeing "Disney won't let X-Men be X-Men, they won't be true to the themes, etc"... but... they are the ones who produced X-Men 97 in the first place. This is arguably the darkest and most adult X-Men cartoon TV series that we have ever gotten, and it was produced by Disney and Marvel. So if they really had problems with all the themes, why didn't they cut them from the first season?

Yes, but was this pre-Iger's return where he wants to combat the woke politics at Disney.