Sequels X-MEN LINE-UPS (Movie Universe)

[Flashman]

Hi,
This is a totally new universe, slightly (if not heavily) diverged from its Marvel 616 counterpart, so let's clear the things up for the sake of the moviegoer fans.


Criterion of evaluation:

Addition of a member - it actually reinforces the current line-up/mark, but doesn't change it.
Leaving of a member - the departure implies a 'transitory mode' for the current line-up/mark.
Replacement of a member - it gives life to a new line-up/mark.


X-MEN - MARK I (pre-2000)

Cyclops
Storm
Beast

Note: Jean Grey was busy as genetist, and I doubt she worked as an X-Man at that point (she also didn't get a proper codename). Probably, Professor X kept her in the shadows just to prevent her psychic powers to grow up and "awake" Phoenix's personality.
The beginning, where Cyclops and Storm rescued Wolverine and Rogue from Sabretooth's claws, seems to reinforce the theory.
Beast left the roster to "perform" as ambassador of the mutant rights.
So, basically, the team became what you see in the beginning of 'X-MEN' - Two elements and Jean Grey still "in the making" as supporting member.

X-MEN - MARK II (2000)

Cyclops
Jean Grey
Storm
Wolverine

Note: the first movie, 'X-MEN'. Rogue was an X-Man long time before she would realize that. Anyway, she's even an "instrumental" device in Magneto's hands.
Jean Grey joined the team as "effective" member along to Wolverine, and the scene where she telecinetically moves the discs towards Cyclops could be the very first time she's actually wearing the uniform.

X-MEN - MARK III (2003)

Cyclops
Jean Grey
Storm
Wolverine
Rogue
Iceman
Nightcrawler

Note: the second movie, 'X2: X-MEN UNITED'. Jean Grey "died" at Alkali Lake to lately resurrect as 'Phoenix'. Colossus wasn't even part of the team, maybe a guest. Rogue was still learning how to use her powers, but she was an X-Man. The beginning of 'X-MEN 3: THE LAST STAND' - showing Rogue in the Danger Room along with her mates - officially confirms the theory. She was also a pivotal element in either the defeating of Magneto on Liberty Island and the Alkali Lake events (she piloted the Blackbird).
Nightcrawler presumibly left in the 2003-2006 arc for unknown reasons.

X-MEN - MARK IV (2006)

Storm
Wolverine
Colossus
Iceman
Shadowcat
Rogue
Beast
Angel

Note: the third movie. Rogue left the team to enjoy her new-found "human-like" life.
On a side-note which tastes like spoiler, I have the positive feel that Angel joined the team after the Alcatraz events, even if not explicitly shown or stated (the end of 'X-MEN 3: THE LAST STAND' seems to suggest so). Anyway, I inserted him in the roster as I previously did with Nightcrawler in MARK III, because they all played a major role in the corrispective final battles.
I have to add that Angel had already introduced himself to the school some time before the confrontation, so here we go.

 

[JeanGrey12]

Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if angel joined the team but I would say the end suggested it. Angel was flying through San Francisco which is on the opposite side of the country of Xaviors School and he wasn’t wearing a uniform or anything. Still, I'm sure he'll be a team member in the event of X4.

Also, the never showed Cyclops die so as unlikely as it would be it is entirely possible if they wanted to, to show him alive. Also equally as unlikely, they could have jean alive. Even if they did though, she probably couldn’t be a member of the team. I mean she’s my fav and all but I doubt storm would ever let her back in the unlikelyhood she is alive.
good thinking on the lists tho
Jean Grey Rocks

 

[Flashman]

JeanGrey12,

Many thanks, I did it for passion.

Yes of course you're right... we can't really say that ANGEL was already an X-Man at that point, so 'MARK V' looks like a spoiling anticipation, if you want...CYCLOPS as leader again? Looks like a dream.

Anyway, I now have a doubt. Was Shadowcat present in the Danger Room training session, at the very beginning of 'X-MEN 3: THE LAST STAND'? Maybe she hadn't joined the team yet!

 

[JeanGrey12]

JeanGrey12,

Many thanks, I did it for passion.

Yes of course you're right... we can't really say that ANGEL was already an X-Man at that point, so 'MARK V' looks like a spoiling anticipation, if you want...CYCLOPS as leader again? Looks like a dream.

Anyway, I now have a doubt. Was Shadowcat present in the Danger Room training session, at the very beginning of 'X-MEN 3: THE LAST STAND'? Maybe she hadn't joined the team yet!

I think she was...hmm...yeah she definitly was. Remember when she phased Bobby from getting hit by a big piece of metal (or whatever it was), and Rogue kinda got a jealous look....

 

[Flashman]

Yes, yes, you're right.

BEAST hasn't yet joined the force at that point; it doesn't matter however... you can't count on a training session in the Danger Room to "pinpoint" the EXACT line-up of the X-Men. Isn't it?

I'm wondering... WARREN had officially introduced himself to the school some time before the final battle... and he had a small part in the battle himself! So, basically, Warren was an uniform-less X-man, which makes sense to me. As Nightcrawler in MARK III.
The Italian poster showed Warren in full X-Uniform, too.

I fixed the list again... what do you say?

 

[JeanGrey12]

Yes, yes, you're right.

BEAST hasn't yet joined the force at that point; it doesn't matter however... you can't count on a training session in the Danger Room to "pinpoint" the EXACT line-up of the X-Men. Isn't it?

I'm wondering... WARREN had officially introduced himself to the school some time before the final battle... and he had a small part in the battle himself! So, basically, Warren was an uniform-less X-man, which makes sense to me. As Nightcrawler in MARK III.
The Italian poster showed Warren in full X-Uniform, too.

I fixed the list again... what do you say?

haha looks pretty good

 

[Flashman]

Perfect! I was looking for a definitive response from you.

 

[Angamb]

I think the teams isn't weel at all:

- X1 (2000)

Cyclops
Jean
Storm
Wolverine

- X2 (2003)

Cyclops
Jean
Storm
Wolverine
Iceman
Rogue

- X3 (2006)

Cyclops (not on active)
Storm
Wolverine
Iceman
Rogue (only in a danger room session)
Colossus
Kitty
Beast (for the battle)

I'll add:

- X4 (2009)

Wolverine
Storm
Beast
Iceman
Kitty
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Rogue (not since the beggining)
Gambit (joining the team at the end, but not in uniform)

 

[Flashman]

Angamb:

Don't agree at all.

 

[batman7289]

X4 (2009)

Wolverine
Storm
Beast
Iceman
Kitty
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Rogue (not since the beggining)
Gambit (joining the team at the end, but not in uniform)
perfect cast for x4

 

[Iced_up]

^^Thats what the team should be in X4, perfect. Although i doubt Nightcrawler would be in seeing as he wasnt in X3 but he should be there

 

[Flashman]

X4 (2009)

Wolverine
Storm
Beast
Iceman
Kitty
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Rogue (not since the beggining)
Gambit (joining the team at the end, but not in uniform)
perfect cast for x4

Gambit HAS to join as a full-costumed X-Man.
Cyclops has to come back from the dead.
Angel as X-man.
Skip Rogue. Her story is over.
No Nightcrawler.
No Beast (Mmmm... maybe yes).
One more new, never-seen-before-on-the-screen character in the roster.
Iceman freezed and more screen-time for Colossus.
Kitty codenamed 'Shadowcat', finally.

 

[Flashman]

I have a suspect now...

At the beginning of 'X-MEN', it is revealed that Jean is a doctor... (a genetist?). So pretty busy.
Beside, she gets no codename as X-Man, while fighting on Liberty Island.

I now suppose that X-MEN MARK I was just:

Cyclops
Beast
Storm

And that JEAN GREY was just a "supporting" member as FORGE and BANSHEE were for the Blue Strike Force and the Gold Strike Force in the 616 Universe.
So she officially joined the team when they "introduced" Wolverine in the roster.

What do you say ??? In the while, I modified the list.

 

[Flashman]

If you have any suggestions to do, I'm here.

 

[Style 92]

Hi,
This is a totally new universe, slightly (if not heavily) diverged from its Marvel 616 counterpart, so let's clear the things up for the sake of the moviegoer fans.


Criterion of evaluation:

Addition of a member - it actually reinforces the current line-up/mark, but doesn't change it.
Leaving of a member - the departure implies a 'transitory mode' for the current line-up/mark.
Replacement of a member - it gives life to a new line-up/mark.


X-MEN - MARK I (pre-2000)

Cyclops
Storm
Beast

Note: Jean Grey was busy as genetist, and I doubt she worked as an X-Man at that point (she also didn't get a proper codename). Probably, Professor X kept her in the shadows just to prevent her psychic powers to grow up and "awake" Phoenix's personality.
The beginning, where Cyclops and Storm rescued Wolverine and Rogue from Sabretooth's claws, seems to reinforce the theory.
Beast left the roster to "perform" as ambassador of the mutant rights.
So, basically, the team became what you see in the beginning of 'X-MEN' - Two elements and Jean Grey still "in the making" as supporting member.

X-MEN - MARK II (2000)

Cyclops
Jean Grey
Storm
Wolverine

Note: the first movie, 'X-MEN'. Rogue was an X-Man long time before she would realize that. Anyway, she's even an "instrumental" device in Magneto's hands.
Jean Grey joined the team as "effective" member along to Wolverine, and the scene where she telecinetically moves the discs towards Cyclops could be the very first time she's actually wearing the uniform.

X-MEN - MARK III (2003)

Cyclops
Jean Grey
Storm
Wolverine
Rogue
Iceman
Nightcrawler

Note: the second movie, 'X2: X-MEN UNITED'. Jean Grey "died" at Alkali Lake to lately resurrect as 'Phoenix'. Colossus wasn't even part of the team, maybe a guest. Rogue was still learning how to use her powers, but she was an X-Man. The beginning of 'X-MEN 3: THE LAST STAND' - showing Rogue in the Danger Room along with her mates - officially confirms the theory. She was also a pivotal element in either the defeating of Magneto on Liberty Island and the Alkali Lake events (she piloted the Blackbird).
Nightcrawler presumibly left in the 2003-2006 arc for unknown reasons.

X-MEN - MARK IV (2006)

Storm
Wolverine
Colossus
Iceman
Shadowcat
Rogue
Beast
Angel

Note: the third movie. Rogue left the team to enjoy her new-found "human-like" life.
On a side-note which tastes like spoiler, I have the positive feel that Angel joined the team after the Alcatraz events, even if not explicitly shown or stated (the end of 'X-MEN 3: THE LAST STAND' seems to suggest so). Anyway, I inserted him in the roster as I previously did with Nightcrawler in MARK III, because they all played a major role in the corrispective final battles.
I have to add that Angel had already introduced himself to the school some time before the confrontation, so here we go.

I like X2's lineup best

 

[JeanGrey12]

I have a suspect now...

At the beginning of 'X-MEN', it is revealed that Jean is a doctor... (a genetist?). So pretty busy.
Beside, she gets no codename as X-Man, while fighting on Liberty Island.

I now suppose that X-MEN MARK I was just:

Cyclops
Beast
Storm

And that JEAN GREY was just a "supporting" member as FORGE and BANSHEE were for the Blue Strike Force and the Gold Strike Force in the 616 Universe.
So she officially joined the team when they "introduced" Wolverine in the roster.

What do you say ??? In the while, I modified the list.

Hmm...they never really said she wasn't on the team and sent on missions, but if you noticed, she never really was sent anywhere. Pro. X sent Scott and Storm to the train station. Jean just drove Xavior there...

It could really be taken either way. I mean yes, she was in uniform in an opening scene (when xavior was explaining the school to logan, she was shooting disk off for scott to blast) and statue of liberty, but no we don't really know what her status was in movieverse...

lol thats a tough question

 

[Flashman]

The 'Shooting Discs Scene' occurs during Xavier's explanation to Logan, thus it's not a past event. So this implies that (maybe) Jean was finally praticizing with her powers, now that she has become full-member of the team (she wears the suit).
Basically, she joined the team along to Wolverine. :gl:

 

[flavio_lebeau]

I like X2's lineup best

ditto. That should be the team for any X-movie. Thats one of the reasons X2 worked so great.


My X4 cast:
Storm
Rogue
Iceman
Beast
Kitty
Colossus
Angel
Gambit (only in the end, we've seen X-men become villains, its time to see villains become X-men)

 

[lordofthenerds]

Flashman, I think that Jean was a member of the X-Men before X1 that's why they should her in her X-uniform during X1 moving the plates for Cyclops to blast. She might not have been as active as the others, but she was still a member of the team.

Other than that your line-ups look about right.

 

[union_jak]

I'm not sure how relevant to the discussion this is, but I was wondering if anyone else considered this; the young X-Men officially became X-Men after doing something brave and worthy.

Colossus- rescued the majority of the kids from the mansion, and spent the rest of the movie presumably looking after them.

Rogue and Iceman- Had been through a lot in the first 2 movies and flew the Jet which saved the team in X2.

Kitty- Xavier sent her into a Government facility to steal documents which proved Stryker to be behind the terrorist attacks in X2. (unseen, but mentioned).

It's for these reasons I think Nightcrawler would have easily have been accepted, but we've yet to really see Angel prove himself.

 

[Flashman]

I'm not sure how relevant to the discussion this is, but I was wondering if anyone else considered this; the young X-Men officially became X-Men after doing something brave and worthy.

Colossus- rescued the majority of the kids from the mansion, and spent the rest of the movie presumably looking after them.

Rogue and Iceman- Had been through a lot in the first 2 movies and flew the Jet which saved the team in X2.

Kitty- Xavier sent her into a Government facility to steal documents which proved Stryker to be behind the terrorist attacks in X2. (unseen, but mentioned).

It's for these reasons I think Nightcrawler would have easily have been accepted, but we've yet to really see Angel prove himself.

Cheers! Great observation!

Both Kurt and Warren proved to be X-Men. Angle rescued the father in the final battle.

 

[Flashman]

It looks like Wolvie will NOT be in X-MEN 4.

Thumbs up for GAMBIT in this all-new incarnation!

(and let's cross our fingers for CYCLOPS).

 

[DrChronic]

I dunno i dont think thats how the x-men were formed...

Xaviers school for the gifted seemed to start way back in what i can only imagin as the late 70's where he meets Jean Grey... Bearing in mind X-Men is set slightly in our future say by ten years. Hence why Jean Grey and the rest look in there 30's and the students in there early 20's

Now bearing in mind Magneto and Charles worked together to form the school. I would believe the student body would of consisted of.

> Hank McCoy (Student - studying science or something but at the same time is going threw his transitional stages.)
> Jason Stryker (Possible magneto chose him as a student. he possibly was at the school for a short time before heading home and tormenting his parents. I would believe Magneto made him crazy but we will never know)
> Ororo Monroe
> Scott Summers
> Jean Grey
> Bobby Drake (Aged about 12) possible was there from the beginning but never made it to an x-men status until the end of x2.
> Possibly Mystique!
> Possible David Haller-Xavier
> Possible Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch

I would imagin this is something of what the first pupils would of looked like when the school was first set up.
Hank and Jason and Mystique may have been the eldist students followed by Storm, Jean and Scott and cos Xavier had a whole Mactaggart past i would imagin that david haller and magnetos children were possibly students for a sort time.

As they probably were the first there was alot of learning on both students and teachers sides. And because this was all new, Magneto's strong hatrid for mutants may have warped the minds of Jason and Mystique, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch may have been neglected by magnetos vision of the future and that he did have those children by a human magda which was in his eyes a weakness.

In my oppion something big happend to split magneto and xavier... Judging by the characters i would imagin that Jason left the xavier institue and tormented his parents, Xavier and Magneto are interigated by Styker which started a whole war on mutants debate with the senits. Possibly Xavier sent away Quicksilver and Scarlet witch to an unknown location as he feared for there lives as magneto was on a all out war with humans due to the angry attemtps of revenge stryker had probably put before them previously. This row probably split the school and magneto and charles became enimies, Magneto took Mystique with him and soon ralleyed others like Sabretooth and Toad. Toad may have been another mutants at xaviers school who was infulenced by magneto but we will never know. The devide made the brotherhood and x-men which consisted of Magneto, Mystique, Toad and Sabretooth, plus maybe others we dont know about. xavier made the strike force X-Men as Beast, Cyclops, Storm and Jean as a sort of oncall medical supervisor who sometimes went into field. Considering Magneto had Sabretooth beast was the ulternative at that time. there may have been a time where xavier's son david went out of control and had to be sorted out. This all probably added to Xaviers harden look at mutation sides.

And so you have the x-men

Beast
Storm
Cyclops
Marvel Girl

with additional students Bobby and an increase of newer students entering, Colossus, shadowcat, Jubilee, all in there early teens.

Then we have the political debate, Senitor kelly takes the stand and threatns with with mutant registration act. Beast leaves the x-men prior to the first movie to fight in the senitor cause of mutation. He rises quickly in the goverment.

X-MEN 1 OCCURES

Cyclops
Storm
Jean grey
are the team, but as you can see there was six costums in the underground base. In my oppion, there may have been other members between the time that joined and left temporarly, i dunno maybe Polaris, Havok, Beast would of made one of those suits so its easly fitable around the characters Judging by Beast costume in x3 i would say that Wolverines costume although slightly ultered, and some simularity, i would say wolverines costume was the future beast costume however never worn, the reason i say this is because of beasts old costum featuring the three strips on each shoulder. Jean must of got her sewing kit out to make it fit Wolverine

by the middle of x1 we have Wolverine joine the team by default really.

Then we have x2

Cyclops
Storm
Jean
and
Wolverine are the X-Men

But during these advents the students move up a level and show potential to take a stand when ready to fight.

Now X-Men: The Officle Game althougth not cannon it still would make sense to where it headed from between movie 2 to 3

Cyclops is still greiving for the loss of jean grey so those two are out of the x-men temporarly

Storm
Wolverine
lead the next wave of mutants to become x-men they are
Nightcrawler
Iceman
Rogue
and
Colossus

This new team was in training and at somepoint Nightcrawler realised this wasnt the life for him and was soon replaced by Shadow Cat.

X-MEN 3

Still in training, Iceman, Rogue, Colossus and Shadow Cat are the new candidates andare made officle x-men.

We still have Storm and Wolverine, Cyclops still broken up by Jean and is tormented. is soon writen out of the story.

The X-MEN STAND
Storm as the leader
Wolverine
Iceman
Rogue
Colossus
Shadow Cat

Then the events occure alcatraz...

boom boom boom

The here After

The Future Candidates
Wolverien
Storm
Iceman
Shadow Cat
Colossus
Angel - Replacing Rogue and the only other mutant at the school with the most agile field experiance to become an x-man quickly.

If Rogue is still powerless i would see her taken a roll like Beast as a mutant secutary or a representative of Charles Xaviers school.

 

[Walks Unseen]

Is it me or did they kind of screw Nightcrawler in X2. I mean he had that kick ass opening scene in the White House and then he did jack all for the rest of the film. He just seemed to tag along for no particualr reason. They should have given him another action sequence at the end in the Alkali dam scene.

 

[Walks Unseen]

It looks like Wolvie will NOT be in X-MEN 4.

Thumbs up for GAMBIT in this all-new incarnation!

(and let's cross our fingers for CYCLOPS).

Sorry to double post but I fully agree with this statement.