Idk what it is, but Krakoa doesn’t seem like a place I’d wanna live. It looks nice right now, but it feels like a scenario where in the long run it’ll inevitably take a bad turn caused by its leaders.
Again, probably by design, but when I’m reading the books I just have this uneasy feeling that something bad’s going to happen.
Krakoa is destined to collapse just like the other homes that the X-Men resided in.
-The many X-Mansions have been made made/destroyed/rebuilt/destroyed again/abandoned
-Utopia in San Francisco
-Abandoned Weapon X facility
-The institute built right in the center of Central Park
-X-Men's base in Atlantis
Its just a matter of time before Krakoa gets destroyed or gets abandoned. I think if it can last up until 2024, then that would be great but I don't think its realistic to happen. Marvel always relaunches their titles, and along with it are changes to the writers, artists, status quos and the setting.
And Krakoa really gives Mutants a bad attention. Like whoever superpowered humans built themselves their own country/state in a land that wasn't even in the map before is going to attract potential enemies that would view them a major threat to society. Also since Krakoa is like a mutant only zone,that gives mutant hating groups a bigger motivation/reason to destroy mutants and their place as Mutants aren't scattered in the world anymore and they could wipe them out in an instant since all mutants live in a single island now.
Party at? F*** yeah!
Live on? Not a chance in hell
it would be like living directly above Studio 54 in the 70's or something, that s**t would get tiring
Party at? F*** yeah!
Live on? Not a chance in hell
it would be like living directly above Studio 54 in the 70's or something, that s**t would get tiring
But a "bomb" can go off and a story gets told without Krakoa collapsing totally. Everyone assumes that the end of every little story Hickman is planting is Krakoa burning instead of the million other ways they could end.
I said ‘feels like’ not that it is the case. It ‘feels like’ it’s going to start happening in future comics to me. I may be completely wrong and honestly I hope I am because it would really suck for the mutants if that became the case.
But a "bomb" can go off and a story gets told without Krakoa collapsing totally. Everyone assumes that the end of every little story Hickman is planting is Krakoa burning instead of the million other ways they could end.
I have been slow picking up the X-Men title so I’m a little out of the loop, but has any other character gotten the same judgment as Sabretooth did?
The whole ‘get-buried-deep-into-Krakoa-forever’ punishment thing.
Sabretooth’s my fave character so I’m curious what’s going to happen to him. Not that he doesn’t deserve some extreme solitary confinement, it’s been a long time coming haha
True, and normally I would agree that a reset to the status quo is inevitable, if not for the fact that the X-Men are coming to the MCU. Given what they did with Spider-Man, avoiding previously adapted elements, villains and stories, and the story about them casting PoC for Charles and Erik, that makes it abundantly clear that they are going to avoid anything that reminds people of Fox X-Men.
So rather than having something like the O5 or the 90s X-Men operating from the Mansion in the MCU, we are more likely to get something along the lines of what is currently happening in X-Men comics. In that regard, it sort of feels like a trial run to me. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't really ever return to the previous status quo.
I mean look at some things that have changed in the comics:
* X-Men being mutants who protect those who hate and fear them was changed quite a bit, as was their relationship with the rest of the Marvel universe
* Idem with how the Brotherhood used to operate
* Moira is a mutant
* So Charles, Moira, and Magneto have changed significantly (the adults from the First Class generation in the movies)
* As have the roles of many characters who were recently used as villains in the X-Men movies: Hellfire Club (The Gifted & First Class), Apocalypse (obvious), Mr. Sinister (was meant to be the next big thing in the Fox X-Men movies), and Jean (focus of Dark Phoenix) was back to her Marvel Girl outfit, a monicker she never had in the movies
* Going from the Mansion to Krakoa, which is a huge visual change
* The way they handle cerebro
* From every team needs a teleporter (Nightcrawler, Azazel, John Wraith, Blink, and Magik in the movies) and travel with the X-Jet to Krakoan gates and Gateway popping in
* I mean if anything is iconic in the Fox movies, it's the mansion, cerebro, and the X-Jet
So aside from specific stories that's basically the removal of most key elements that people associate with the Fox X-Men movies, while still being a great X-Men property. That's what I suspect the comics will do going forward and that's probably what the MCU X-Men will be as well. I mean, Kevin Feige gets full control of everything Marvel for the sake of synergy and these are the things that are happening in the comics.
True, and normally I would agree that a reset to the status quo is inevitable, if not for the fact that the X-Men are coming to the MCU. Given what they did with Spider-Man, avoiding previously adapted elements, villains and stories, and the story about them casting PoC for Charles and Erik, that makes it abundantly clear that they are going to avoid anything that reminds people of Fox X-Men.
So rather than having something like the O5 or the 90s X-Men operating from the Mansion in the MCU, we are more likely to get something along the lines of what is currently happening in X-Men comics. In that regard, it sort of feels like a trial run to me. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't really ever return to the previous status quo.
I mean look at some things that have changed in the comics:
* X-Men being mutants who protect those who hate and fear them was changed quite a bit, as was their relationship with the rest of the Marvel universe
* Idem with how the Brotherhood used to operate
* Moira is a mutant
* So Charles, Moira, and Magneto have changed significantly (the adults from the First Class generation in the movies)
* As have the roles of many characters who were recently used as villains in the X-Men movies: Hellfire Club (The Gifted & First Class), Apocalypse (obvious), Mr. Sinister (was meant to be the next big thing in the Fox X-Men movies), and Jean (focus of Dark Phoenix) was back to her Marvel Girl outfit, a monicker she never had in the movies
* Going from the Mansion to Krakoa, which is a huge visual change
* The way they handle cerebro
* From every team needs a teleporter (Nightcrawler, Azazel, John Wraith, Blink, and Magik in the movies) and travel with the X-Jet to Krakoan gates and Gateway popping in
* I mean if anything is iconic in the Fox movies, it's the mansion, cerebro, and the X-Jet
So aside from specific stories that's basically the removal of most key elements that people associate with the Fox X-Men movies, while still being a great X-Men property. That's what I suspect the comics will do going forward and that's probably what the MCU X-Men will be as well. I mean, Kevin Feige gets full control of everything Marvel for the sake of synergy and these are the things that are happening in the comics.
I agree with a lot of this
I just hope the X-Men don't debut this way in the MCU
this feeling of "something being off" is intriguing for a series of stories, but I'm still not a fan of the isolationist bent and evilllle Xavier and the hero/villain kumbaya, so I don't want this to be the new 'way it is' for too long
If it changes and becomes a more open thing, and the villains are given the boot, and whatever alien parasite/evil astral demon is infecting Xavier dies, and the X-Men start superheroin' again, then maybe Krakoa could become a good home
Oh, it's very unlikely that they'll debut the way they are in the comics right now or even borrow much from this specific story. Though I do expect them to be a bit more militant and push toward a mutant nation from the start. They will be the newbies in a universe filled to the brim with superpowered individuals, robots, inhumans and aliens. People will need a reason to fear them beyond "anybody could be a mutant". As I said, this specific story feels more like testing the waters to see how they can pull off X-Men in a different way, while also removing familiar aspects from the Fox Movies.
I'm sure we'll see other experiments like that in the comics as well. The things that have been changed for the story are things they'll most likely also tweak in the movie though, but probably not in the same way.
I also want to point out that I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. I advocated for change on the last page as well.
This feeling of "something being off" is intriguing for a series of stories, but I'm still not a fan of the isolationist bent and evilllle Xavier and the hero/villain kumbaya, so I don't want this to be the new 'way it is' for too long
If it changes and becomes a more open thing, and the villains are given the boot, and whatever alien parasite/evil astral demon is infecting Xavier dies, and the X-Men start superheroin' again, then maybe Krakoa could become a good home
Imagine starting the first MCU X-men movie with a big action scene with the most famous X-men where they all die and we find out it's one of Moira's lives. Probably too convoluted and too DoFP but it could also be a statement if we see icons going out.
I think the MCU could take notes about how some characters are written for its version. For example, Apocalypse has never been written or drawn better. Will they adapt something like the Crucible? Probably definitely not lol but that tone of a theatrical force of nature rather than outright super-villain is something I could see translated. Mystique, Destiny, Pyro's dynamic I could see in the films too.
I don't even know what to say about Excalibur. I kinda just approach it as I would an action-adventure Saturday morning cartoon. The plot can be incoherent and I don't know what the point is, but the ideas are good. I like druid Rictor. I want to see Apocalypse perform magical rituals. Apocalypse Rogue was fun. I don't really care about hunting warwolves for sport with a rich aristocrat.
I really enjoy Marauders. It's the book where the characters feel like they are doing the most living in this new status quo.
I'm just a little burnt out on the mansion rn. Maybe they could do the Australia era. The X-men have actually had a lot of fun and different status quos.
Imagine starting the first MCU X-men movie with a big action scene with the most famous X-men where they all die and we find out it's one of Moira's lives. Probably too convoluted and too DoFP but it could also be a statement if we see icons going out.
That might be a bit much for a first movie, yeah.
That said I would like to see the X-Men movies getting a bit more 'weird'. At least we have New Mutants and Deadpool.
Agreed. Like I said, they seem to be taking a modern approach with their adaptations rather than relying on pure nostalgia. X-Men will be no different. That's also why something like the O5 or 90s X-Men is unlikely.
I don't even know what to say about Excalibur. I kinda just approach it as I would an action-adventure Saturday morning cartoon. The plot can be incoherent and I don't know what the point is, but the ideas are good.
I'm just a little burnt out on the mansion rn. Maybe they could do the Australia era. The X-men have actually had a lot of fun and different status quos.
I wouldn't worry about the mansion. In the vain of 'doing this different than Fox', the Mansion probably won't play that kinda role. Especially early on.
You really can't do HOX/POX without some of the bigger stories, like Genosha and M-day. Sure, there is plenty of tidbits to take, sure. But Hoxpox works due to the nearly two decades of pushing mutants down.
You really can't do HOX/POX without some of the bigger stories, like Genosha and M-day. Sure, there is plenty of tidbits to take, sure. But Hoxpox works due to the nearly two decades of pushing mutants down.
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