X3:#1 Anticpated Movie

[Maze]

Where did you get that idea? other than when vahugn droped the film, the movie has done great, nothing but great things we have heard and seen from set pics. everyone from the movie is saying how its the best, and i know they may just be saying that because they are part of the film, but they seem to actually thinkl that this is "the" movie. Patrick stewart, Mckellen, Halle, all have said that this movie will blow everyone away...so what makes you think this is such a trubled project, just because Ratner is directing? Name one critic, thats not from a "FAN" based website that has said anything negative towards Ratner...you wont find any, he is a "A" list director, and has had many hit movies...

the majority of the internet ..you don't believe me? take a ride

Do you know that most people on the outside laugh at the project?

yes, it pain me..but i can understand it.

everyone from the movie is saying how its the best, and i know they may just be saying that because they are part of the film, but they seem to actually thinkl that this is "the" movie.

Stewart said that the last trek movie would be great..So excuse me i love as an actor , but i will not trust him on that one..

he is a "A" list director, and has had many hit movies...

again that arguement?

So what? twister and home alone were major hits , they were work of arts?

about the opinion of his movies ...You wan't one? unbiased? Allo cine..i can traduct you if you wan't..but you know about Ratner if you can't accept the truth , if you don't understand that for a majority of people that know one or two things about cinema he is at best so so , well i will avoid you to lose your time..go on rotten tomatoes and you'll have a nice collection of critics , of critics with reputation( not fan boys)that speak of the "work" of Ratner..

You are in denial..

until Ratner prove us wrong..hopefully..

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

You misunderstand I think what we are trying to say. While yes we acknowledge that there was some positive reaction to the trailer, LS and I are trying to explain that we have seen reaction that was less than enthusiastic. The reactions we have seen are mixed, some good and some not so good.

Exactly. Not everyone is feeling the new Supes trailer--and that's a fact. There is nothing conclusive that says that the "majority" have embraced it, as there have been no exit polls conducted to my knowledge.

And the problem is some of these Supe fans are too stubborn to accept that. It's all or nothing with them--everything must be in absolutes. And those who feel that SR looks less than stellar are branded as stupid or misinformed. It's like some sort of religious blasphemy.

Now that type of condescending treatment goes on daily at the Superman forum--and that's fine...over there. But I'll be damned if we tolerate it here on our board.

 

[snwboarder88]

the majority of the internet ..you don't believe me? take a ride



Stewart said that the last trek movie would be great..So excuse me i love as an actor , but i will not trust him on that one..

about the opinion of the movies ...You wan't one? unbiased? allo cine..i can traduct you if you wan't..but you know about Ratner if you can't accept the truth , if you don't understand that for a majority of people that know one or two things about cinema he is at best so so , well i will avoid you to lose your time..go on rotten tomatoes and you'll have a nice collection of critics , of critics with reputation( not fan boys)that speak of the "work of Ratner..

You are in denial..

until Ratner prove us wrong..hopefully..

I am not in denial of anything...i beleive that x3 will be the best movie of the franchise and the best movie next year. What makes you think that your opnion and other whiney fan boys from the internet are correct? you pick apart everything, and even when x3 is a huge success you will be one of those people who will always have something negative to say about it.[/FONT]

 

[Maze]

success you will be one of those people who will always have something negative to say about it.[/FONT]

The fact is i'm speaking of what i know..

you are speaking about me , and you don't know me ..so please

I am not in denial of anything...i beleive that x3 will be the best movie of the franchise and the best movie next year

and i hope you 're right believe me..

 

[true316]

I agree with Lightning. I think much of the uncertainty (and there is uncertainty) stems from the change of director thing. I really don't know how much confidence I have in Brett Ratner. I did enjoy the Rush Hour movies but that is all I have actually seen of his work. I went to Rotten Tomatoes to find what other movies he had done an it seems he doesn't always do too well as far as film critics are concerned.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/brett_ratner/

However I really don't like to put all of my trust in film critics (after all, if they know how to do it better why aren't they in Hollywood? ). I think the ultimate proving ground for this or ANY movie comes not with internet speculation or trailers, but with the final product itself.

 

[Hunter Rider]

"Holy Cow Batman!!!!!!,the fanboyometer is going through the roof in this thread"

 

[Jan Irisi]

the majority of the internet ..you don't believe me? take a ride

Do you know that most people on the outside laugh at the project?

yes, it pain me..but i can understand it.



Stewart said that the last trek movie would be great..So excuse me i love as an actor , but i will not trust him on that one..




again that arguement?

So what? twister and home alone were major hits , they were work of arts?

about the opinion of his movies ...You wan't one? unbiased? Allo cine..i can traduct you if you wan't..but you know about Ratner if you can't accept the truth , if you don't understand that for a majority of people that know one or two things about cinema he is at best so so , well i will avoid you to lose your time..go on rotten tomatoes and you'll have a nice collection of critics , of critics with reputation( not fan boys)that speak of the "work" of Ratner..

You are in denial..

until Ratner prove us wrong..hopefully..

I think it is a fact that many on this forum are doubtful about Ratner as well. Some like him, some cringe. But at the moment, he has the reins of the franchise we are here to follow, so what else can we do except be, as LS alluded to above, cautiously optimistic? We do not want this film to fail (or most of us don't LOL), and all we can do is hold our breath for now and wait to see what Ratner has to offer us. He may hit it out of the park, or he may strike out, but all we can do is wait and see.

In the end, it is possible that Singer may fumble with his film, or Superman may well be a great film. (Even the great Spielberg has fumbled a few films) WE DON'T KNOW YET. Same goes for Ratner and X3.

Yes, we are aware of the guffaws that are going on about X3. Some of us here have guffawed and predicted gloom and doom for the film. But again, until we see something for ourselves...actual footage, actual pics...WE JUST DON'T KNOW! All we can do is hope and pray for the best.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

about the opinion of his movies ...You wan't one? unbiased? Allo cine..i can traduct you if you wan't..but you know about Ratner if you can't accept the truth , if you don't understand that for a majority of people that know one or two things about cinema he is at best so so , well i will avoid you to lose your time..go on rotten tomatoes and you'll have a nice collection of critics , of critics with reputation( not fan boys)that speak of the "work" of Ratner..

You are in denial..

until Ratner prove us wrong..hopefully..

That's a pretty biased statement Maze. Or are you "denying" that Bryan Singer (who has only produced 5 films in total outside SR) has produced some flops too?

Brett's filmography is lengthy--and he is a more accomplished director, and has been in the industry longer than Bryan. He's had several hits but he's also had some misses. But the majority of his films have been successful. And some of his movies, i.e. Red Dragon have recieved critical acclaim.

You were saying?

 

[Kanon]

Speaking of the outiside ,i don't know in the states (the states , not one or two region lightning..i mean that's how you guess who is going to win the elections? ), believe me here in France the word is really strong for this movie..

If anyone cares, here in Argentina I haven't meet 1 person that believes Superman Returns is going to be a good movie. And a lot think X3 is going to be the best X-Men movie, altought some are worried about the amount of characters.
And I do speak with a lot of people, through websites, some are "normal", and some are respected movie critics

 

[true316]

That's a pretty biased statement Maze. Or are you "denying" that Bryan Singer (who has only produced 5 films in total outside SR) has produced some flops too?

Brett's filmography is lengthy--and he is a more accomplished director, and has been in the industry longer than Bryan. He's had several hits but he's also had some misses. But the majority of his films have been successful. And some of his movies, i.e. Red Dragon have recieved critical acclaim.

You were saying?

I don't know if this is fair as far as "directing" goes. Bryan Singer has only directed five films outside of SR. To my knowledge, Brett Ratner has directed six films outside of X3 (feel free to correct me if I am wrong ). That he is the more accomplished director maybe your opinion and of course your entitled to it. From what film reviews I have seen Singer tends to get consistently better reviews than Ratner.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't know if this is fair as far as "directing" goes. Bryan Singer has only directed five films outside of SR. To my knowledge, Brett Ratner has directed six films outside of X3 (feel free to correct me if I am wrong ). That he is the more accomplished director maybe your opinion and of course your entitled to it. From what film reviews I have seen Singer tends to get consistently better reviews than Ratner.

Brett has done 8 films outside of X3.

He's more accomplished in terms of experience in a broader range of genre filmmaking. Beyond the silver screen, Brett has done several TV projects and series, along with music videos as well. And he's been doing it a lot longer than Bryan--that's why I stated that he was more "accomplished"--I wasn't necessarily referring to critical raves.

 

[true316]

Brett has done 8 films outside of X3.

He's more accomplished in terms of experience in a broader range of genre filmmaking. Beyond the silver screen, Brett has done several TV projects and series, along with music videos as well. And he's been doing it a lot longer than Bryan--that's why I stated that he was more "accomplished"--I wasn't necessarily referring to critical raves.

Thanks for the explanation. I was speaking in terms of "quality=accomplished" as opposed to "quantity=accomplished", but you definitely have a valid point. I still think what they have they have done on the silver screen is what matters the most. Just out of curiosity could you provide a list of his films (obiously there are some I didn't know about). I'm looking to check out more of his work so I can get a better feel for his directing style.

 

[Maze]

That's a pretty biased statement Maze. Or are you "denying" that Bryan Singer (who has only produced 5 films in total outside SR) has produced some flops too?

Brett's filmography is lengthy--and he is a more accomplished director, and has been in the industry longer than Bryan. He's had several hits but he's also had some misses. But the majority of his films have been successful. And some of his movies, i.e. Red Dragon have recieved critical acclaim.

You were saying?

I'm saying that Bryan Singer ,that he has or not 8 movies under his belt ,is a better flimmaker.

you don't agree?

that's ok..but that's your opinion not the opinion of the majority of repected critics.

Singer had misses? yup , but they were far from the kind of miss that Ratner had.

you still don't wan't to admit it ?(and after that you can prefer Ratner , that's a matter of taste ) go read most of the critics .Yes, again, that Ratner movies are succesful at the box office or not is irrelevant..

because a movie is successful it is good? ..


ps: i'm biased ? if you wan't.. imo the Xmen movies are far from perfect ..Like you , Storm.,.among others)

ps2

Originally Posted by Maze about the opinion of his movies ...You wan't one? unbiased? Allo cine..i can traduct you if you wan't..but you know about Ratner if you can't accept the truth , if you don't understand that for a majority of people that know one or two things about cinema he is at best so so , well i will avoid you to lose your time..go on rotten tomatoes and you'll have a nice collection of critics , of critics with reputation( not fan boys)that speak of the "work" of Ratner..

That's a pretty biased statement Maze. Or are you "denying" that Bryan Singer (who has only produced 5 films in total outside SR) has produced some flops too?

Brett's filmography is lengthy--and he is a more accomplished director, and has been in the industry longer than Bryan. He's had several hits but he's also had some misses. But the majority of his films have been successful. And some of his movies, i.e. Red Dragon have recieved critical acclaim.

You were saying?

that's why I stated that he was more "accomplished"--I wasn't necessarily referring to critical raves.

rereading you i think you didn't understood what i said...

 

[Maze]

If anyone cares, here in Argentina I haven't meet 1 person that believes Superman Returns is going to be a good movie. And a lot think X3 is going to be the best X-Men movie, altought some are worried about the amount of characters.
And I do speak with a lot of people, through websites, some are "normal", and some are respected movie critics

ok , other countries lol

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm saying that Bryan Singer ,that he has or not 8 movies under his belt ,is a better flimmaker.

you don't agree?

Not necessarily.

The advantage that Bryan's X-Men films had over Brett's Rush Hour comedies is a strong A-List cast and a political message that all of us can relate to: Intolerance. THOSE are the elements that gave those films such high critical ratings, not just Bryan's direction.

For example: In X-Men you have acclaimed stage performers i.e. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan and Hugh Jackman. You have Oscar-Winning actresses i.e Anna Paquin and Halle Berry.

In contrast, Brett had Jackie Chan, Chris Tucker and Kung-foo grip to work with. Yet interestingly enough, the times Brett did delve into darker, serious themes (i.e. with Red Dragon) the critics loved it. In other words, the palatte was different and the masterpieces reflected that.

We shall see just how good Bryan does with SR: He now doesn't have the heavily star-studded cast to buoy his works, nor does he have the controversial political message that will resonate with fans of all colors, sexes, orientations and ages. Brett, however will, and he could excel or flop with what he's been given.

And the same applies for Mr. Singer.

 

[Pickle-El]

(slowly walks out of thread)

 

[the a1ant]

(follows Pickle-El)

(comes back in and sits down with a bag of popcorn)

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

*cracks knuckles*

 

[Hunter Rider]

*Does something*

 

[Angry Sentinel]

*does nothing*

 

[MoiBijou]

*waits someone to make something*

 

[Downhere]

*Turns on the tv*

 

[ichorinmyveins]

I was quite envious of anyone here who so passionately argued that his is the better. However, in my own objective speculation of the matter, I think SR will be a megahit even if it sucks in quality. People may not like it but I'm certain these same people would still watch it anyway-- not because they are a fan, but because they are curious to see how Superman flies in the modern time.

If I can have it my way, I would prefer xmen3 to fare better than SR since the latter doesn't interest me anymore. What could SR have for its audience when everything could be seen in xmen? the flying? the strenght? the face? the body?

 

[Seen]

I can't deny what--your opinion?

No, the truth.

I don't have to, as I could care less if you and your friends were thrown off by a small discrepancy that was up for all of 5 hours before it was fixed.

A lot more than just me and my friends were -- so were people on a few other message boards too.

Again, no one was expecting an actual trailer upon the site's release. I'm sorry if your friends lacked the perception to see past that.But the fact that you're holding on to it shows you want to have something to cling to for the sake of your arguement.

I heard rumors on this very board being speculated that the site might have a teaser trailer. And it friggin' said "teaser trailer" and considering they're as smart as the normal Joe Moviegoer, their reaction was probably felt by others too.

So cling away.

I'm not clinging to anything, you just keep on bringing it up.

Again...it was a teaser trailer FOR THE WEBSITE. NOT FOR THE FILM. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. And before you go throwing rocks at X3's animated site as "lame", please reconsider what SR's teaser site was comprised of.

Well then the website should have specified that for everyone else.

Believe it or not, but there are many people who do not like what SR is shaping up to be! Yes-MANY!!! God man, step outside of your wooden bubble and recognize that not everyone shares your viewpoint on this matter. It doesn't mean that SR will suck in 7 months.

How about you do the same, because many are liking the direction of SR at the current moment. Many.

First of all, it's not my "job" to list people who's opinion differs from yours.

Then why list them in the first place to support your arguement? Isn't that sort of weak?

Secondly, it is extremely presumptuous of you to claim that those who's views are different from yours is automatically "distorted" or even in the "minority." That is flawed, fanatical reasoning.

You think "many people" dislike SR currently, which is flawed, fanatical reasoning at the highest degree.

What the hell? Man, you need to broaden your perception--big time. Step outside your fanboyism and recognize that the reaction to that project is mixed, and in some cases lukewarm. Wake up!

From the man who barely even POSTS at the Superman boards!

That's his opinion--and it wasn't just about the suit obviously. He's a fanboy just like you. He'll have $8 to spend on June 30th, just like you. Whether or not he decides to do so depends upon how he is moved by his feelings on what is being done with that iconic hero.

You said he only disliked the suit and that he wasn't going. If that wasn't the case then you should have clearified.

Learn to respect that. Your views do not supercede his.

I do not need to respect anything.

A most foolish of statements! Ay yi yi....your presumptuousness boggles my mind because it's bordering on fanatical! *shakes head*

I could say the same for you.

He's the damn comic book store OWNER! And he's decorated the store with old and new Superman paraphernalia all over the place. Therefore, he's a major DC fan and yes, he is "into Superman"--very much so. Yet, for all that, he doesn't like the approach Singer is taking. Why are you struggling with this?

You said he only liked the Kent farm box in the trailer when they were obvious other scenes that were dosed in Superman lore! I mean the scene with Superman hovering at the sunset and in outer space...utterly amazing and wonderful.

He just doesn't seem to get it.

You don't have to be convinced. But they are convinced for now. Again, respect their opinion.

Why?

Let's not insult my intelligence here...you're getting a tad too close to edge now Seen. I've personally had misgivings about the project for a few months now--long before the trailer came out, and certainly before I went to the comic store last night.

No, I think I'm far from the edge thank you very much.

And I've seen Bryan Singer's previous works. And in my opinion, action has never been his strongest suit. So I'll take the existing evidence over anything Justin has to say.

In that case Brett Ratner cannot direct a movie on the depth and allegorical emphasis of the X-Men films...that is if you're going to start making premature assessments like that.

Again, director's styles vary from each respective project -- Singer was criticized when he was going to direct the first X-MEN because he never touched an action or comic-book movie before, and the same applies to Christopher Nolan, Richard Donner, Tim Burton, and Sam Raimi. So your thinking that Singer cannot give us mind-blowing action sequences is flawed and corrupt.

Singer has already said this will be his most romantic and humerous film yet -- lighter than anything he's ever done. If he can admit that, and with various reports confirming the action scenes will be stellar, can you just open up from your proverbial box and theorize that Singer will be able to deliver knockout action scenes? Is that too much to ask?

It's easy to fluff up statements for the sake of hyping up the fanbase...but so far nothing I've seen suggests that SR is going to be anything remotely close to a Spider-Man film in terms of action.

20 minute airplane sequence. Need I repeat this?

If anything, I'm seeing a regurgitation of cam visual concepts that Bryan has already used in his prior projects. Again...we're talking about creativity.

Like what?

I handled Batman trolls for the greater part of a year on the Fantastic Four board, so do you honestly, really think I "fear" some so-called wrath from fanboys?

I actually don't blame the Batman "trolls" seeing how that FF turd turned out.

Bottom line: I have an opinion. However, it's not my job to rain on the Supe fans' Hype parade by coercing them into changing their opinions.

So you would be forced to coerce people into changing opinions? Can't you just post respectively and constructively?

But right now, you're in our territory.

Quite the astute observation.

No. I said critics and moviegoers who have grown up in that generation might compare them.

Like who?

What makes you think it will? There is no guarantee until June 30th, 2006. I will render final judgement then.

Then what makes you think anything we've heard for X3 will come to fruition? At least with SUPERMAN we have blogs to confirm these aspects.

Again, you need to pipe it down a notch.

No, I'm quite fine.

Pathetic "misjudgement"? Have you seen Routh act? If not, wouldn't your views be equally misplaced at this time as well? As I warned you earlier--don't throw rocks--especially not here...We wouldn't want you to cut your foot on some glass now, would we?

So then we can't judge...seeing as how we both haven't seen Routh act (I'm assuming, as you said we are equally misplaced). I think Routh has an equal chance myself of either succeeding or failing, but at least stop your bias and wait until you have a time to judge. Shesh.

And you're "threats" are not very frightening. I've heard worse.

"Most of SHH are flooded with positive thoughts regarding the film?" Where is this taking place?

Check the trailer review thread for starters. I could paste posters' positve thoughts if you'd like.

There has been serious dissension even on the Supes board itself so please knock off the exaggerations. Remember, we all have access to the boards here and can see things for ourselves. The discussion and reaction has been MIXED. Accept it. Damn.

I don't accept lies. The reaction to the film itself might be slightly mixed (if not somewhat positive) at this point, much like the reaction to X3 in general, but the reaction to the trailer has been STELLAR.

It's very awesome.

Your confidence, albeit a bit naive, is admirable.

I can say the same for your "confidence" in X3, although it's slightly more naive than mine.

And I sincerely hope that Superman Returns turns out to be everything you hope it to be. Is there anything else?

Not that I can think of.

 

[Slim_X]

Why is this thread even alive?