YJ1 said:
Clearer Direction? Better Script? So, I guess if X3 would've had Magneto build a machine to alter non-mutant DNA and place it on top of the Washington Monument you would've liked it better? That's akin to what SR did. It's just a complete rehash (EXACT dialogue, characters, motive) as STM. There's nothing original and very little that's intelligent about SR.
Wow. I wasn't aware I was watching the exact same characters with the same motives in Returns any more than I was in The Last Stand. Superman protects mankind while Luthor attempts to hurt it. The X-Men attempt to protect mankind while Magneto attempts to hurt it. The X-Men battle Magneto and the Brotherhood . . . again. The X-Men foil Magneto and the Brotherhood again.
YJ1 said:
So, how can someone that's blatantly copying a thirty year old movie be exhibiting better direction?
The same way that every movie copies everything anymore . . . kind of like The Last Stand, which copied exact shots and dialogue from its predecessor.
Better script? Our own fans have dedicated pages to the bad dialogue in The Last Stand.
YJ1 said:
Emotions? What emotions? I saw actual tears in the PACKED audience during Storm's eulogy of Professor Xavier when I watched X3. In contrast, I saw yawns in the audience when I watched SR. Seriously.
Funny, I found the exact opposite. If you're going to attempt to make a reasonable comparison between Returns and The Last Stand you may actually want to pick a decent scene from The Last Stand in which to compare--Jean killing Xavier for instance . . . the only fully engaging scene.
YJ1 said:
More Depth? Who got developed in SR? Routh had minimal lines and minimal growth. Perry and Jimmy were caricatures. We know Richard could fly a plane but that's about it. Kitty was trying her best to look sexy as the "complex" modern version of Miss Tesmacher. Lex was just a one dimensional villain wringing his hands together and hamming it up at every turn . . .
And yet . . . Routh with his minimal lines (as though the character he plays is supposed to be chatty) has more lines than Jean . . . and in the Dark Phoenix Saga no less . . . and he has more lines and more growth than Angel, Arclight, Callisto, Cyclops, Colossus, Iceman, Jean, Juggernaut, Kitty, Mystique, Psylocke, Pyro, Rogue, Trask, and Xavier. Jimmy and Perry are no more caricatures than half of the secondary characters in The Last Stand . . .
"We know Richard can fly a plane and what?" as opposed to Callisto who can run fast and what? Or Colossus who can lift televisions and what? Or Kitty Pryde who can walk through walls and what? Or Juggernaut who can break through walls and what? etc.
YJ1 said:
. . . the absolute dumbest plan in the history of comic based film. Yes, Lex's land plan dethrones Catwoman's evil cosmetics plan.
As opposed to Magneto placing a bridge on Alcatraz island in an attempt to kill a boy (which he fails at) . . . or a man attempting to ruin a city's water supply . . . or a man attempting to destroy a portion of New York City with a botched fusion experiment . . . or a man flying around on a hover craft trying to hurt people. If given much thought, almost all comic villains have dumb plans. This is hardly limited to Returns, or the film medium for that matter. The comics are riddled with them . . . and Catwoman still maintains the dumbest plan in comic book movie history--by far.
YJ1 said:
As for super reporter Lois Lane, (the Pulitzer Prize winning 22 year old with the 5 year old child) not only can’t she recognize Superman through a pair of glasses even though she’s been intimate with him but she clearly is an unfit mother and an unappreciative **** as well. How fast did she shack up with a guy out of wedlock after Superman disappeared? Being a superhero, how did she know that the father of her child wasn’t killed in action? He suddenly disappears. So, she runs out, nails her employer’s nephew and bad mouths Superman? This must be the rational she used when she drags her kid along in to a completely unknown situation investigating something that was powerful enough to black out half of the USA. This isn't character development, it's just bad writing.
Lois Lane (or anybody else) can't recognize Superman . . . as though this isn't a trademark in half of Superman's translations since the book's inception. I would say it took Lois about the same time to shack up with someone else as it took Jean Grey to kill her fiance and attempt to shack up with someone else out of wedlock (out of wedlock . . . as though this is a new occurrence in the entertainment industry) or for Iceman to hit on a girl who looks like a twelve year old.
YJ1 said:
Now please, tell me if you're able to keep a straight face when you try to call SR a smart drama. X3 may not be an Oscar caliber story but it's still the better all around movie and yes, it's a smarter film too.
The Last Stand may not be an Oscar caliber story? Ya think? It's hardly receives credit for being a well executed story, period.
The Last Stand isn't the worst movie imaginable, and no, people shouldn't simply bash it in light of Returns, but you're flaws regarding Returns aren't much different than those found in most films anymore . . . especially The Last Stand.
LoGaN's RuNNer said:
Exactly, and with Pirates comming out next week, it doesn't look any better. I personally think they didn't pick a very good release date..
I agree.
X-Men The Last Stand like Superman Returns has a HUGELY HUGELY SPLIT UP FAN BASE thanks to their Movies & then it comes to outside the Comic Fan Base there are plenty that love Superman Returns. I also think Studios also look at what Fans & People say about the Movie in deciding if there is a Sequel or not. Fans here were saying the same thing about Batman Begins not getting any Sequels after its very very very piss poor slow Box Office start & I do think Studios also look at everything else that helps makes Money. DVDs, Toys & then there is the eventual DVD, Blu Ray, HD-DVD & Video Game. We will have to agree to disagree on what the WB looks at
