Young Justice Cartoon - Part 3

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[Zant]

So Dreads main concern is who is dating who?I guess it shows how great this show is when all people worry about is love interests

 

[Scarecrow_King]

well, in a show that focuses on teenagers, it's a major point of the show and important in the characters' eyes. Or have you never been a teenager? Who's dating who is everything when you're 13.

 

[Dread]

So Dreads main concern is who is dating who?I guess it shows how great this show is when all people worry about is love interests

well, in a show that focuses on teenagers, it's a major point of the show and important in the characters' eyes. Or have you never been a teenager? Who's dating who is everything when you're 13.

Precisely.

Besides, in shows and stories like there, there are really only so many things to be concerned about. There's the general story arc, which usually amounts to who is fighting who, when, where, and why. And then there's the character arcs which often tend to involve who is dating who. Which isn't exclusive to teenagers. What, there's never any romantic subplots in adult dramas? In crime procedural stories, even?

Some people, and by some people I probably mean GregX who does the reviews for Toonzone, tend to run with the theory of, "Oh, they're horny teenagers so none of their relationships have to make sense because they're just hooking up". I think that's a flawed way of thinking, especially since more thought usually does go into fictional life than actual life, at least for youngsters. People gather in a room and chart out which characters are hooking up, when and why, on index cards or something. I hate to think Weisman just laid out some character sheets and spun a bottle.

Even on a "horny teenagers just hooking up" theory, I haven't seen much in Kid-Flash that Artemis seems to be interested in. "REVELATIONS" did at least seem to show that she sort of treats him like a kid brother. She punches him in the arm when he's being a spazz, and she's willing to mend his wounds when he sucks in a fight (which is often). But whether those are attractive qualities is another beast. Kid-Flash has some good points and quirks in his personality, but they aren't what Artemis seems to be looking for. If they do date, it's only because for some reason he's just there. Which doesn't exactly make either party look good.

"HOME FRONT" established that Artemis has some sort of bravado as a defense mechanism that can crumble in a crisis. On the surface this is similar to Wally, but that's just the surface. Wally doesn't need a defense mechanism. He doesn't have any secret insecurities. He's like the Human Torch in many shows - the weakest link who genuinely believes he's the strongest and most awesome. For better or worse, what you see is what you get with him.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Nice to see Weisman still using Star Trek alumni as voice actors

I hope Queen Bee counsel's the Joker in a future episode.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Hey, you guys remember how at the beginning of "Downtime", Clayface pretty much had the team at his mercy? Looks like this is the story that reveals what was up with that fight.

http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/youngjustice/guides/comic/yj12.jpg

And considering what the issue before this one is about, I'm guessing that Clayface's origins...

Spoiler

have something to do with Ra's al Ghul and the Lazarus Pits.

 

[terry78]

"Ugh, I feel naked...and not in the fun way."

Oh, Artemis.

 

[Dread]

Nice to see Weisman still using Star Trek alumni as voice actors

I hope Queen Bee counsel's the Joker in a future episode.

They are usually good voice actors, to be fair. And they're people who have worked with Weisman's productions long enough to be familiar and get things done quickly. I mean, Andrea Romano, Bruce Timm and many other directors/producers are like that.

Plus, it gives them work besides appearing at conventions or having cameos in B-films. The last thing I saw Brent Spiner in was "SUPERHERO MOVIE", and he was probably the least embarrassing thing about it. I genuinely felt bad for Leslie Neilson that he had to say lines that were THAT bad.

Hey, you guys remember how at the beginning of "Downtime", Clayface pretty much had the team at his mercy? Looks like this is the story that reveals what was up with that fight.

http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/youngjustice/guides/comic/yj12.jpg

And considering what the issue before this one is about, I'm guessing that Clayface's origins...

Spoiler

have something to do with Ra's al Ghul and the Lazarus Pits.

Interesting. It is a good use of the comic to flesh out bits between episodes. Again, however, that comic is read by a very small minority of viewers - it sells under 9,000 copies a month, which is maybe 0.5% of CN's ratings per week for YJ, and likely not even that much.

 

[Panthro]

Precisely.

Besides, in shows and stories like there, there are really only so many things to be concerned about. There's the general story arc, which usually amounts to who is fighting who, when, where, and why. And then there's the character arcs which often tend to involve who is dating who. Which isn't exclusive to teenagers. What, there's never any romantic subplots in adult dramas? In crime procedural stories, even?

Some people, and by some people I probably mean GregX who does the reviews for Toonzone, tend to run with the theory of, "Oh, they're horny teenagers so none of their relationships have to make sense because they're just hooking up". I think that's a flawed way of thinking, especially since more thought usually does go into fictional life than actual life, at least for youngsters. People gather in a room and chart out which characters are hooking up, when and why, on index cards or something. I hate to think Weisman just laid out some character sheets and spun a bottle.

Even on a "horny teenagers just hooking up" theory, I haven't seen much in Kid-Flash that Artemis seems to be interested in. "REVELATIONS" did at least seem to show that she sort of treats him like a kid brother. She punches him in the arm when he's being a spazz, and she's willing to mend his wounds when he sucks in a fight (which is often). But whether those are attractive qualities is another beast. Kid-Flash has some good points and quirks in his personality, but they aren't what Artemis seems to be looking for. If they do date, it's only because for some reason he's just there. Which doesn't exactly make either party look good.

"HOME FRONT" established that Artemis has some sort of bravado as a defense mechanism that can crumble in a crisis. On the surface this is similar to Wally, but that's just the surface. Wally doesn't need a defense mechanism. He doesn't have any secret insecurities. He's like the Human Torch in many shows - the weakest link who genuinely believes he's the strongest and most awesome. For better or worse, what you see is what you get with him.

The way I see it, even an "opposites" relationship in fiction has to show that the two mismatched characters have a genuine bond beneath all the friction, and we haven't seen much of that out of Kid Flash & Artemis. Bickering alone can't carry an "opposites" relationship, we need to see non-bickering moments as well to prove that a bonding process is taking place. Is that too much to ask for in season 1 (or 2 or however they're promoting the new eps)? Avengers EMH season 1 showed that a bond clearly exists between Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne despite the fact that he's a mild mannered mad scientist and she's a flighty adventure craving rich girl.

Compare Kid Flash/Wally & Artemis to John Stewart/Green Lantern & Hawkgirl/Shayera Hol in the first two seasons. John & Shayera often bickered but you also saw a bond develop between them (before it all went horribly wrong in "Starcrossed"), from having to learn to put their egos aside for the greater good in "War World" to Shayera offering John moral support when he needed it in "Hearts & Mind" to John getting Shayera to engage him in a snowball fight in the Christmas ep "Comfort & Joy" to various instances where one showed genuine concern for the welfare of the other (Examples: Shayera rushing to John's rescue in "The Savage Time Part 3" - with an obligatory cute exchange between them afterwards - John trying to blast his way through Dr. Destiny's mental barrier when Shayera was still being tormented in "Only A Dream", John getting pissed when Despero got a little too creepy towards Shayera in the aforementioned "Hearts & Minds", Shayera being freaked out when she thought John was killed in an explosion in "Wild Cards"). Is this an unfair comparison to make since YJ isn't that far along yet? I don't know, but if Avengers: EMH can make a relationship between two characters as different as Hank & Jan seem plausible, why can't YJ do the same? And don't say "Because Hank & Jan are adults while Wally & Artemis are teenagers."

I can't really count "Bereft" as a 'bonding' episode for Wally & Artemis because they were both suffering from an amnesia beam, as Dread has pointed out numerous times. It may have given Artemis a glimpse of how things might have been different between them if Wally hadn't been such a jerk to her when they first met, but that's about it and she doesn't appear to have lost any sleep over it. In order for designated bonding moments to feel genuine they have to be in their normal states of mind and not suffering from something like memory loss; and to be honest, even if Wally had been nice to Artemis from the start the idea of them being a couple still wouldn't feel organic for pretty much all the reasons Dread usually lists. Yeah, she gave Wally a breather & bandaged his arm in the last ep, but she probably would have done the same for any of her teammates (the ones who can't breathe under water and can actually get their limbs broken anyway). I'm guessing we'll probably get another "plot contrivances separate Wally & Artemis from the team & they have to learn to work together" ep, and when/if we do the writers have to do better, NEED to do better, than relying on something as outdated as the obligatory amnesia plot. Fingers crossed.

There have been reports of Donna Troy possibly appearing/joining the cast later on, and Dread has mentioned that had she been there from the start Wally probably would have been better off pining for her instead of Artemis based on Teen Titans comic history & Donna being more upbeat, which at least in theory would make her more accepting/tolerant of Wally's goofy sense of humor and his general idiocy. If Donna does join the team later on and develops a friendship with Wally, and I mean a genuine friendship not him throwing cheap pickup lines at her as if she were a dart board (like he does with Megan), we the audience would be expected to believe Artemis would feel jealous of this, but that'd be pretty hard to swallow based on what we've seen so far. I can believe that Artemis would be genuinely annoyed, even resentful, at seeing Wally be genuinely nice and respectful (or at least, respectful by his standards) to Donna right off the bat while he was nasty and dismissive of Artemis herself, but I can't see that organically working as jealousy; dislike or outright resentment doesn't automatically equal jealousy, though I'm sure the writers would want us to see it as such. I also don't see Artemis being intimidated by Donna's presence either. If anything a more organic reaction on Artemis's part to such a development would be: "Thank God that idiot found someone else to annoy."

But first thing's first, we have to wait and see if Donna actually does show up and how the writers choose to portray her and her relationships with those around her; maybe she'll be the one who gets hitched with Aqualad, we don't know.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

Some people, and by some people I probably mean GregX who does the reviews for Toonzone, tend to run with the theory of, "Oh, they're horny teenagers so none of their relationships have to make sense because they're just hooking up".

That's a bit of a mischaracterization of what I've said. Of course the writers put thought into all this by the writers, and no bottle spinning. I just don't think the teens are putting as much thought into it as the writers are, well... they are, but in a less analytical way.

 

[echostation]

holy **** that Joker was god awful... what a ****ing terrible joker, like seriously that was piss awful.

 

[Zant]

And I thought the shippers of the last airbender and x men evo were hardcore.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

holy **** that Joker was god awful... what a ****ing terrible joker, like seriously that was piss awful.

Mark Hamill done spoiled us good.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I loved Icon's cameo. Icon was a black Superman knock off from Milestone comics in the mid-90's.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Batman was a prick. "Satisfactory". He's lucky the whole Young Justice weren't slaughtered.

Overall this was a great episode, plan B was the shizznit.

 

[Dread]

The way I see it, even an "opposites" relationship in fiction has to show that the two mismatched characters have a genuine bond beneath all the friction, and we haven't seen much of that out of Kid Flash & Artemis. Bickering alone can't carry an "opposites" relationship, we need to see non-bickering moments as well to prove that a bonding process is taking place. Is that too much to ask for in season 1 (or 2 or however they're promoting the new eps)? Avengers EMH season 1 showed that a bond clearly exists between Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne despite the fact that he's a mild mannered mad scientist and she's a flighty adventure craving rich girl.

Right. Some people dismiss some of the character beats in "AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES", but they are there. The show was more than just gags and action sequences, at least in its first season. That season had Hank admit he loved Jan on camera, twice. In fairness, there wasn't much competition for Jan's affections, besides the episode where she considers Mar-Vell's human disguise cute to make Hank jealous. But, yes, it was established in that show that the two were often very different; Jan loved being a hero and getting out of the house while Pym just liked the science and saw being a hero as a reluctant last resort.

I was always bemused that for a self-proclaimed pacifist, Pym was always willing to smash someone like the Hulk if Jan was in real danger.

Compare Kid Flash/Wally & Artemis to John Stewart/Green Lantern & Hawkgirl/Shayera Hol in the first two seasons. John & Shayera often bickered but you also saw a bond develop between them (before it all went horribly wrong in "Starcrossed"), from having to learn to put their egos aside for the greater good in "War World" to Shayera offering John moral support when he needed it in "Hearts & Mind" to John getting Shayera to engage him in a snowball fight in the Christmas ep "Comfort & Joy" to various instances where one showed genuine concern for the welfare of the other (Examples: Shayera rushing to John's rescue in "The Savage Time Part 3" - with an obligatory cute exchange between them afterwards - John trying to blast his way through Dr. Destiny's mental barrier when Shayera was still being tormented in "Only A Dream", John getting pissed when Despero got a little too creepy towards Shayera in the aforementioned "Hearts & Minds", Shayera being freaked out when she thought John was killed in an explosion in "Wild Cards"). Is this an unfair comparison to make since YJ isn't that far along yet? I don't know, but if Avengers: EMH can make a relationship between two characters as different as Hank & Jan seem plausible, why can't YJ do the same? And don't say "Because Hank & Jan are adults while Wally & Artemis are teenagers."

I can't really count "Bereft" as a 'bonding' episode for Wally & Artemis because they were both suffering from an amnesia beam, as Dread has pointed out numerous times. It may have given Artemis a glimpse of how things might have been different between them if Wally hadn't been such a jerk to her when they first met, but that's about it and she doesn't appear to have lost any sleep over it. In order for designated bonding moments to feel genuine they have to be in their normal states of mind and not suffering from something like memory loss; and to be honest, even if Wally had been nice to Artemis from the start the idea of them being a couple still wouldn't feel organic for pretty much all the reasons Dread usually lists. Yeah, she gave Wally a breather & bandaged his arm in the last ep, but she probably would have done the same for any of her teammates (the ones who can't breathe under water and can actually get their limbs broken anyway). I'm guessing we'll probably get another "plot contrivances separate Wally & Artemis from the team & they have to learn to work together" ep, and when/if we do the writers have to do better, NEED to do better, than relying on something as outdated as the obligatory amnesia plot. Fingers crossed.

Given that the first season of "JUSTICE LEAGUE" in 2001-2002 was 26 episodes (broken up into about 11-12 multi-part stories), it isn't unfair to compare things. In fairness, "REVELATIONS" did show Artemis having concerns for Wally's well being in a fight, but I attribute that to her treating him as Kid-Brother, which fits her character more. Tactically speaking, it certainly is useful to not have an injured member harm themselves more with an untreated wound, and Artemis is efficient. She did tend to Aqualad in "BEREFT" and I'm the only one who wants to see those two hook up. In "HOME FRONT", she expressed concern for the well being of Kaldur and Megan too. Thus, merely showing Wally some concern for physical battle wounds is not a sign of attraction; just a sign that Artemis cares about teammates' well being - only not to the "mother hen" level of Megan.

As I note below, even in "BEREFT", Artemis never returns any of Wally's advances. She merely doesn't insult or tease his foibles. I no longer think she hates him, although tolerance is not attraction. Again, she treats him like a kid brother, not someone she crushes on.

There have been reports of Donna Troy possibly appearing/joining the cast later on, and Dread has mentioned that had she been there from the start Wally probably would have been better off pining for her instead of Artemis based on Teen Titans comic history & Donna being more upbeat, which at least in theory would make her more accepting/tolerant of Wally's goofy sense of humor and his general idiocy. If Donna does join the team later on and develops a friendship with Wally, and I mean a genuine friendship not him throwing cheap pickup lines at her as if she were a dart board (like he does with Megan), we the audience would be expected to believe Artemis would feel jealous of this, but that'd be pretty hard to swallow based on what we've seen so far. I can believe that Artemis would be genuinely annoyed, even resentful, at seeing Wally be genuinely nice and respectful (or at least, respectful by his standards) to Donna right off the bat while he was nasty and dismissive of Artemis herself, but I can't see that organically working as jealousy; dislike or outright resentment doesn't automatically equal jealousy, though I'm sure the writers would want us to see it as such. I also don't see Artemis being intimidated by Donna's presence either. If anything a more organic reaction on Artemis's part to such a development would be: "Thank God that idiot found someone else to annoy."

But first thing's first, we have to wait and see if Donna actually does show up and how the writers choose to portray her and her relationships with those around her; maybe she'll be the one who gets hitched with Aqualad, we don't know.

Someone better get hitched to Aqualad; he's too bad ass to ignore! Plus, it would allow him to be in situations besides just being the leader, or worrying about being the leader. Now that Tula isn't an option, maybe that's in the future.

The only organic way I could see the show having Artemis attach to Wally is if they go with the "tease the one you like" trope that usually applies to people in grade school. As in, sometimes a boy will tug a girl's hair because he doesn't know how to say he likes her, or a girl who is a tomboy doesn't know how to be dainty and be picked up, and her aggressiveness scares everyone. But even that would seem pretty much out of left field.

A subplot where Artemis is jealous of someone else liking Wally would seem a bit off unless handled well. If memory serves, not one female character has seemed to really appreciate his sense of humor. Megan tolerates his passes more due to her kind alien nature than anything. I've yet to see a heroine actually laugh at one of his jokes - which was something that initially showed Terra liked Beast Boy in "TEEN TITANS", and made her betrayal all the more tragic for him. Terra was LITERALLY the only person who found Beast Boy amusing on that show; everyone else (and the audience) groaned at his lame puns (aside for Starfire, maybe, but she liked everyone on that show).

Really, what Wally best offers a girl at this moment is his sense of humor. He doesn't offer anything deep, because he hits on everyone. He doesn't offer rock solid stability, because he loses every fight he's in and is too impulsive. He won't impress anyone with anything he does or says. But he's funny and upbeat, and those qualities are appealing for some. I can imagine someone from the near humorless island of Amazons perhaps being amused by a hero with a sense of humor. His science lore may also impress someone in the short term, at least if they don't ask why he doesn't use it himself to be more useful. "If the Batman can create gadgets, why not you? In half the time?"

I'd prefer Donna Troy, because she's dark haired and would match the theme of "founding Titans" set by Robin, Kid-Flash and Speedy. Having both human girls on the team be blonds would be a bit lame. She also hasn't been on TV before and DC tends to prefer older characters. Often with legacy characters like Wonder Girl, any innovation from the younger ones get merged with the founder. Such as, some bits or beats with Wally as Kid-Flash may remind some of Impulse, who also had that role. Dick Grayson has been utilizing Tim Drake's costume, tech-skills, and weaponry since "BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES" in animation, and sometimes a dash of Jason Todd's temper or over-the-top spunk is added. Thus, I would not be surprised if the show gave us Donna, but had some details from Cassie merged within her. I certainly wouldn't mind more bits from Wonder Woman's world showing up. Anyone who thinks it's "unrealistic" clearly hasn't seen the success Marvel has had lately with the equally "unrealistic" Thor.

That's a bit of a mischaracterization of what I've said. Of course the writers put thought into all this by the writers, and no bottle spinning. I just don't think the teens are putting as much thought into it as the writers are, well... they are, but in a less analytical way.

I actually forgot you posted here too; I was initially hesitant to "call you out" since I didn't think it was fair to criticize a segment of a review if the reviewer couldn't defend it.

There is some "thought" to how most people "hook up", even if it can boil down to sharing something in common. A particular interest, a hobby, or so on. It also involves both parties having a mutual attraction to one either, either physically, emotionally, or both. I've never said all attraction had to be deep passionate pathos. But I've seen absolutely nothing in this show that even suggests Artemis is in the least bit physically attracted to Wally. At this stage I don't think she loathes him, but at best she treats him like a kid brother - perhaps ironic since in her family, she was the youngest daughter. She'll poke at Wally like a big sister would, and mend his wounds when he's playing roughly. That's not attraction. I still imagine she'd probably rather spend her time with just about any other member.

Is Wally physically attracted to Artemis? Yes. But he acts that way to virtually any attractive woman - "BEREFT" merely got him to realize that Artemis was one as well. Even with the benefit of an AMNESIA BEAM, Artemis never really returns any of Wally's advances or flirts back; she just doesn't insult him while under it's effects as she meets him for a second time. That isn't to say Wally isn't a spazz a lot and Artemis is being unfair - she just never offers anything constructive, and none of Wally's friends seem to mind a newcomer ragging on him. A one sided romance isn't a romance - it's a one sided attraction.

I'm certain something will happen that forces the two together; the series has laid out too many plot arrows linking these two, and heaven knows it wasn't too subtle with Megan & Superboy. They made that one obvious by "WELCOME TO HAPPY HARBOR". I'm hoping whatever contrivance is used to get Artemis involved in it is executed well and doesn't seem out of character for her. And doesn't involve yet another blunt plot device like a HELMET OF FATE or an AMNESIA BEAM. Considering we haven't had a mind control episode yet, the risk is always there.

holy **** that Joker was god awful... what a ****ing terrible joker, like seriously that was piss awful.

I've heard worse Jokers. While it isn't very fair, when "LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT" aired in 1998 and my 16 year old ears heard Michael McKean voicing a fantasy 1950's Joker, it sounded very off. And while Kevin Michael Richardson is a terrific voice actor, even after five seasons on "THE BATMAN", I never got used to him as Joker.

Plus, Brent Spiner didn't have as much to work with, since this isn't a Batman show and the Joker was one of several baddies. But, yes, not the best Joker I've ever seen by far. But in a way it doesn't burn me up, because Joker can easily hog an episode, and for once he didn't here.

Considering that Bruce Greenwood from "BATMAN: UNDER THE RED HOOD" was able to reprise his role as Batman here, I was curious why John DiMaggio was unable to do likewise for the Joker. Maybe he was just too busy. Or Weisman and company wanted to try out a new Joker voice.

And I thought the shippers of the last airbender and x men evo were hardcore.

I don't ship; I criticize and analyze.

Overall this was a great episode, plan B was the shizznit.

Agreed. Some have said that Nabu released Kaldur too easily, but my "No-Prize" answer is we don't know what the passage of time felt like within the helmet. For all we know, an hour's debate between Kaldur and Nelson with Nabu was only seconds in the "physical plane". Some people wanted a "race to free Kaldur" subplot, but I think that may have been a distraction. After all, every plot has to lead to "The Light" and so on.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

I actually forgot you posted here too; I was initially hesitant to "call you out" since I didn't think it was fair to criticize a segment of a review if the reviewer couldn't defend it.

No worries. I enjoy your posts a great deal.

 

[Gelc22]

Really, what Wally best offers a girl at this moment is his sense of humor. He doesn't offer anything deep, because he hits on everyone. He doesn't offer rock solid stability, because he loses every fight he's in and is too impulsive.

First off, I never did thank you for welcoming me to the boards, so, thanks!

I don't think it's exactly fair to say Wally doesn't offer anything deep considering we have never seen how he would handle an actual relationship. Just because he flirts a lot when he's single doesn't mean he'd behave that way if he wasn't. He seems the loyal type. Now finding someone to give him a chance is gonna be a problem. It would be nice if a girl would humor him one time and actually play along with his flirting/antics instead of the usual treatment of being ignored, glared at and/or punched.

And just because he gets shortchanged in the fights doesn't mean he isn't stable on a personal level, does it? As you mentioned, he's the one member of the team that doesn't really have any baggage or emotional issues to deal with. Though, I guess being "normal" isn't the same as being stable.

I don't really get into the whole who should be with who thing but I do like the characters, especially Wally, and feel he's in desperate need for some form of character development. I thinks he's the character that's changed the least from the beginning of the series up to now and whatever this is with Artemis seems to be the only thing he has going from a character standpoint.

 

[Flash Facts]

Even with the benefit of an AMNESIA BEAM, Artemis never really returns any of Wally's advances or flirts back; she just doesn't insult him while under it's effects as she meets him for a second time.

Not to get into all this "shipping" stuff but doesn't Artemis get a little jealous when Megan tells Wally she made him cookies in that episode? Also when Megan offers to help restore the teams memory she looks to Wally and they hold hands during the process. Then there was Wally's flirty response to her when she called him her ninja boyfriend after their memories returned. I'm not saying that means they were head over heels but I could see the validity of saying there was more reciprocation than you're suggesting.

 

[Panthro]

I didn't really have a problem with Brent Spiner's Joker, or that he was carrying a knife, which seems to have annoyed people elsewhere.

Not to get into all this "shipping" stuff but doesn't Artemis get a little jealous when Megan tells Wally she made him cookies in that episode? Also when Megan offers to help restore the teams memory she looks to Wally and they hold hands during the process. Then there was Wally's flirty response to her when she called him her ninja boyfriend after their memories returned. I'm not saying that means they were head over heels but I could see the validity of saying there was more reciprocation than you're suggesting.

She put her hands on her hips, gave Wally a dirty look and said "You know her?" with great annoyance/suspicion. You can only read so much into that. "Ninja boyfriend" was one of the show's funnier gags though.

 

[Hound55]

I had a bigger problem with the fact that the other villains were willing to give Joker the reins and let him control things...

 

[Nathan]

Sooo.... why weren't the kids killed outright?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Maybe they were going to use them as hostages.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Interestingly Connor didn't go after Joker.

Joker's the one that made Connor hate monkey's. It's the 2nd or 3rd "Young Justice" comic