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[Van Petrol]

Everytime I see Big E and AJ, I can see the WWE's version of Bane and Talia.

 

[sweetre15]

But also before Ziggler turns face, I think it would be cool to see AJ start feuding with Kaitlyn for the Divas title and even have AJ and Ziggler wrestle intergender tag matches against Kaitlyn and Cena....Would y'all mind that?

 

[Pink Ranger]

As PWMania.com previously reported, officials have discussed breaking Big E Langston away from Ziggler and AJ Lee but it sounds like he might stay with AJ. They are discussing this not because of a possible Langston face turn but because of a Ziggler babyface turn.

I get the initial impression from Big E that he might be a pretty good talker. If he can shed his strangely dated look, he might have something there.

 

[UnionJack]

But also before Ziggler turns face, I think it would be cool to see AJ start feuding with Kaitlyn for the Divas title and even have AJ and Ziggler wrestle intergender tag matches against Kaitlyn and Cena....Would y'all mind that?

Kaitlyn and Cena .... no thanks, she can even out wrestle him.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Kaitlyn and Cena .... no thanks, she can even out wrestle him.

Kaitlyn, Rollins and Punk should be a stable. They can call themselves Gradual Gender Transition.

 

[UnionJack]

Kaitlyn, Rollins and Punk should be a stable. They can call themselves Gradual Gender Transition.

That a knock towards my lovely Kaitlyn

 

[Anno_Domini]

Ziggler face turn?

Oh man that'll be awesome....but he will still never be able to outshine Cena

 

[Pink Ranger]

That a knock towards my lovely Kaitlyn

More of a knock against Rollin's choice of hairstyle. If not for his hair, this joke would not exist.

 

[UnionJack]

More of a knock against Rollin's choice of hairstyle. If not for his hair, this joke would not exist.

Oooo I see it now.

 

[Metallo]

20 year Raw celebration show was kinda lame. I expected better. For one thing I think EVERY Raw being three hours makes these special episodes seem...not quite as special.

They should have had a few more stars from the past there too. Something like this doesn't happen very often.

Oh let me count the ways! We already know she's a lifelong wrestling fan from that footage of her meeting Lita as s young girl so obviously a big thing is not just a beautiful girl who's involved in wrestling but LOVES it. How often does WWE bring in Diva's on TV that had no interest in becoming wrestlers? Here we have one who WANTS to be there. She's huge into video games and comic books which to look back again, how often do you have a girl who's into those two things and is this gorgeous? I met her at an FCW show once before she was on the main roster and she seemed like a sweet and genuine person. Maybe those things aren't enough for some people but for me especially she seems incredible and if I were able to meet a girl with even half the traits listed that AJ has I'd be a lucky man.

I also love how genuine AJ is about the business. She wasn't a model who got signed by Johnny Ace. I don't think she's there to achieve 'bigger" fame. I think she'll stay in it as long as she can.

She also does the best "character" work of any woman in WWE or TNA right now. She really knows how to emote for wrestling.

That and I admire her tight little body.

According to many posters here, he's not allowed to win a match.

what a ridiculous comment. Of course he can win. But it seems like WWE's dependant on him winning all the time. Its dumb business to put a part timer over all the current guys even if he is a major star. If he was full time it would be a different story.

Everything WWE's been doing for the last few years has revolved around the Rock meaning they don't care to put the effort into most of the other characters.

Yeah, I'm not sure where the Del Rio face turn is going. His apologetic, new-found humility will get cloying after a while and the fans will revolt against it, and I don't think the WWE will turn him into the Latin lover character I suggested some time ago. As far as being the lead face for the Latino market, he's no Eddie, that's for sure.

I just don't buy him being this concerned buddy when he spent so much time treating Ricardo like sh**. The turn didn't seem natural. He seems more like a cocky self concerned guy. Just like Miz suddenly being a fan favorite didn't feel organic.

Granted his work in the LMS match was better than ANYTHING else he's done over the last year so some kind of change was needed.

He doesn't have the magnetism of Eddie or the underdog/flashy comic bookish appeal of Rey. Not that he has to be like them but I don't really see much of anything, even different, that works on the same level as the gifts those two guys had.

Del Rio has been getting a ton of hate for a long time now before his face turn. There was only a very small group of posters (me and probably two other guys in this thread) who supported him throughout his WWE run.

I've been a proud fan of the guy since day one and soon he will turn many of you doubters into believers. Just you wait!

Ah...much like BlackLantern felt just because Del Rio is what a wrestler is "supposed to be" and he has a smirk and a good look people should love him? Doesn't work like that. There is no nailed down preset model for what a star is and who gets over.

Del Rios a great wrestler but beyond that he never got over the way WWE wanted. Part of that has been WWE's booking but part of that has also been some of his lackluster DELIVERY.

Bryan got more over than Del Rio despite also getting crappy booking.

Wow...we have exactly opposite opinions. I'm a huge fan of Sandow, but can't stand Del Rio. Ricardo, on the other hand, is absolute gold!

Ditto. Ricardo nails his character. Thats talent. And Sandow is a throwback in the best kind of way. Once again a guy in the modern era of sh** booking but he still has great delivery and really knows how to tap into his character.

He knows how to deliver solid promos in his characters specific creative "voice"

I'm not so sure about that. The WHC is already taking a backseat to Cena/Rock , Taker/Punk , and Triple H/Brock . Also I don't think it will be Ziggler vs Del Rio at Wrestlemania. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a fatal four or triple threat , but I suspect Del Rio is a transitional champion for the first quarter of 2013. I hope Del Rio has a good year , but as Pink Ranger pointed out the fans might not like his nice guy routine and rebel against him.

I think theres a good chance the WHC match will be a triple threat or something too. Just to bolster the match's drawing power alone. None of the people involved have much of that yet.

I think WWE are hoping Del Rio pans out as a big latin draw but they also have big plans for Ziggler if he continues to excel. Between those two guys in the short term somethings got to give. As one of Edge's past "dueling partners" used to say "there can be only one."

Really? I've always thought that she was one of the internet/wrestling community's darlings along with the likes of Punk, Bryan, Ambrose, Rollins, Ryder, etc.

A lot of fans don't give womens wrestling a chance to begin with and they probably feel theres too much AJ on tv with her current "crazy" character dragging on.

Pretty good interview on wrestling talk with Bret Hart. He said Daniel Bryan reminds him alot of his brother Owen.

Bret thinks John Cena has been face too long and said Cena is agonizing if he should turn heel like he did when he was top babyface. Saying that he said he doesn't believe Cena could be a heel as his too naturally nice and doesn't have it in him. If Cena turned Heel it would be more comedic like bob backland.

Bryan is in that Owen Hart mould in a way. I think he's partly right about Cena. I think Cena IS a natural face but he could also do some strong work as a heel.

The guys on wrestling talk are so unfunny. Its almost painful to watch.

I want to see The Last of McGuinness documentary. Its probably a good idea that they ditch blading in wrestling after Nigel McGuinness got hepatitis.

Ditto. It gets me when some fans say we need more blood and chairshots and stuff like that and don't even consider the risks when we've seen the terrible consequences to the talent.

I think a big company like WWE that can afford to do regular medical and blood tests can make a stronger case for blading whereas in the indies I just don't think these kinds of risks should be taken as much. But even in WWE things need to be cut back. That stuff has often been used as a crutch. Great wrestlers can do more with great wrestling and less garbage wrestling. The more you see it the more it loses its potency and sometimes I think THATS why some fans want more. its like doing more and more of an addictive substance. Eventually a tolerance is built up

chairs and blood can be effective if used at the right time but all that stuff REALLY needs to be done carefully. Is blood REALLY worth the career of a GREAT talent like Nigel McGuinness? I'd rather have Nigel back as a full time wrestler and no blood if I had to choose. The business took a real loss when he had to retire.

Originally Posted by Some Dirt Sheet Site
Following our update regarding Steve Austin being “counted out” for Wrestlemania 29, we have more bad news. I’m told The Undertaker is talking seriously about sitting out next year’s show, which would be the first Wrestlemania he has missed since Wrestlemania 2000.

I’m told Undertaker feels he only has “one or two big matches” left in him and unless WWE has something that is going to lead to a huge payoff, he’d rather sit out and wait.

One source, speaking to me under the condition of anonymity, says Undertaker is pretty upset right now and feels neglected. He wanted a match against Brock Lesnar but I’m told Triple H wants Brock for himself. Undertaker isn’t alone as I’m told Lesnar would prefer to face The Dead Man as well because he feels it’s a bigger money match than a SummerSlam rematch against Triple H.

While it only takes one injury or a change in plans to swap everything around, it’s looking more and more like Wrestlemania won’t include Austin or Undertaker

Hunter, you son of a b*tch!

If this is because of Triple H then the Son in law is more like one selfish son of a b****. Taker vs Lesnar has its issues but its by far a bigger match than a Triple H/Lesnar rehash.

However I would love to see the "evil superman" version of his character. Basically he still acts like he's a face but proves to be an overconfident jerk.

A little bit like Bret Harts heel turn from 1997. He still thought he was a face and even acted it in some ways. And Punks turn a few years back is another example. I'm even reminded of Jerichos last return where he cheered with the crowd but at a point his overblown face act got him heel heat. He was mocking the people.

Mmmmmmmm...yes...God yes. She's petite but still has killer curves. A perfect combination.

I just saw the Bully/Hogan/Brooke/Sting segment from Impact, I have to hand it to Brooke, she was laying the sugar on Bully like she meant it. Bully delivered a quality promo as well given it's not an angle suited to him, his facial expression at the end when hugging Brooke suggests to me that he'll pull the swerve next week.

On a side note the backstage segment with Aries and Roode was gold.

Agree on Bully Ray and Aries/Roode.

And Brooke is a Hogan. Of COURSE she can fake sincerity!

I know Ray isn't Brookes type but imagine if life imitated art. Their child would be a beast the likes of which the world hasn't seen since The Kraken.

Reigns reminds me of Jason Momoa.

I thought I was the only one

Ginger Vs Ginger.

Shouldn't the time/space continuum have imploded or something?

You're all like battered wives telling yourselves things will get better.

I said the same thing once. Sums up most of the WWE fanbase.

Ziggler, do me a favor, quit, bring that case with you, got to TNA and cash it in on Jeff Hardy.

I can't take this ******** anymore.

Lol...that would be...amusing.

I'd mark to see Ziggler vs AJ, Roode, and/or Aries though. Just mark the f*** out.

That was supposed to be the big 20th Anniversery episode?

It blew didn't it.

Zack Ryder has reached 1 MILLION followers on Twitter!! I wonder if WWE will notice.

Nope. According to Triple H it never happened. He'll get Earl Hebner to reverse the milestone and strike it from the records.

Should of let Ziggler win that cage match. Ziggler hit him with everything he got and Cena shrugged it off.

WWE and TNA should just cut a deal that Sting wrestles at Mania and a top WWE star can wrestle at one of TNA's PPVs.

They could even try a deal with WWE stars wrestle TNA stars in two PPVs and they split the profits 50/50. It would be one of the biggest events in wrestling today and probably bring in far more money that both companies average PPV's minus Wrestlemania.

I don't think Vince would go for it because it means giving TNA publicity and acknowledging them. Be amazing if it happened though.

They better start bring up divas from NXT fast because the womens roster is getting very thin.

Sounds like WWE is just going to do another Diva Search...which is sh** news for womens wrestling in WWE.


What I'd like to see with Sting is a co promoted kind of build on Impact and Raw. TNA and WWE share Sting and Taker. The big match happens at Wrestlemania and TNA gets some nice publicity and maybe some cash from the E. It'll NEVER happen but it would be unique.

At this point I think the time has passed. Sting's best days are past him even though he can still go a little and Taker literally looks to be on his last good leg. It would have to be all about the spectacle and marquee value because the match has a high risk of being a real dog.

Maybe there's hope for a great 30th Anniversary...

At the rate things are going by the time we reach that point I know I won't give a f***.

I'd have had Brock on a warpath destroying everyone and be an entrant in the Rumble where he is dominating, enter Sheamus an epic fight breaks out and they eliminate each other Bret/Lex style and continue to fight all the way to the back. I think Brock vs Sheamus has the potential to steal the show

These days it has the makings of a good match. Never thought I'd see myself saying that even 2 years ago. Sheamus has really impressed as a big man worker.

There was that one time she helped Beth and Natalya beat up a Diva I can't remember. They didn't show it on TV, but it did happen.

WWE planned for her to join Nattie and Beth in the "Divas of Doom." She helped them gang up on AJ on Smackdown I think. WWE nixed the heel turn and cut it from the broadcast.

Vince should let CM Punk have his own belt already since his been champ so long.

Oh yeah! Dig it!

 

[Metallo]

A fan in attendance at last night's RAW in Houston noted that one of the biggest negative reactions came when Ric Flair didn't do the Figure Four on Antonio Cesaro but The Miz did. He added that the crowd did not like Miz.

Are they REALLY that shocked? Really? It was so obvious what they were trying to do that I'd boo the feeble attempt too. Miz is no Flair. As a heel, face, talker, or wrestler in general. If they are going to use Flair to give someone the rub it should be Ziggler.

- Eve Torres actually went to Vince McMahon about a month ago and made it known that she was planning on leaving WWE.

They agreed to have her work however long the storyline with Kaitlyn took and it was expected internally that she would be around until the Royal Rumble.

The decision was made this past week to have the match on RAW and Eve is officially done with the company now.

They could have had Kaitlyn go over Eve a month ago. But what do they do? A feud where they end up having to do a rush job finish. It all felt so truncated at the end.

Kaitlyn should have beat Eve in a loser leaves town match. Having people just say "I quit" and leaving of their own free will doesn't seem like nearly as big of a deal as when someone else takes their career.

It worked for someone like JBL since he's a major a**hole bully but WWE is using that uncreative idea more and more.

- According to PWInsider, the following matches are scheduled for the WrestleMania 29 main events as of early Monday:

* Sheamus vs. Randy Orton for the World Heavyweight Title

* Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar

* CM Punk vs. The Undertaker

* John Cena vs. The Rock for the WWE Title

That card = taking a three hour sh**.

Because those two could not make it, WWE decided to drop any plans of using other big name legends, most notably The Undertaker and Bret Hart. The feeling was they didn't want to have a bunch of legendary names on RAW and it draw attention or heat on Austin and Michaels for not being there.

Their feeling was ******ed.

SD sounds awful, Del Rio as a face and Miz trying to leech off Flair by using the figure four are new lows.



Classic orange Terry, go big or go home!

Miz isn't a great technical wrestler. Thats why him using Flairs move is stupid. A not so great mat worker using a mat workers finisher? Lame.

- WWE officials had talks last week about inducting either DX or The Kliq - Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall and Sean Waltman, as one group, into the WWE Hall of Fame this year. It's not confirmed that they will go in but it was definitely talked about over the last week.

They want to induct a whole group who basically did nothing great together on screen as a group (they were a real life behind the scenes faction) and who caused a ton of problems behind the scenes? Sounds like Kliq ass kissing now that Triple H is in power. If they want to induct DX (either HBK and HHH or DX 2.0) fine. If they want to induct the Outsiders or NWO fine. But this just sounds silly.

Individual members had great matches together but the Kliq being inducted together like a group like The Horsemen makes very little sense to me. They had big effects on the business but not as a group in the traditional way.

So Graham's rebuttal is......"yes I'm a mark?"

I LOLed. His constant praise of HHH almost sounded like a way to troll Jericho. We know those two have had some issues in the past.

That and I'm sure there is mutual admiration. A guy like HHH is closer to the Superstar mould than Jericho and HHH probably sees Graham as what a wrestler is "supposed" to be like.

If Vince had put enough zeros in the paycheck at the time, Michaels and Orton would've gone over Hogan. Easily.

Maybe....but it'd have to be a LOT of zeros. Knowing Hogan he'd want the bigger paycheck AND the win.

The Kliq? That would truly confirm the utter farce that the HOF is. Then again, I suppose it already is a farce.

Just induct DX (HBK, Trips, Billy, Dogg and Pac). Nash has made his feelings clear on the HOF already so I don't see why he should get the pay cheque in an indirect manner. As for Hall, I don't know how he's fixed these days but I doubt it's anywhere good.

Thats what I said too.

Well, they inducted Ric Flair twice. Might as well keep the doubles going now.

Triple H will never let Hogan go in twice if he has anything to say about it.

It'd be nice if Bret Hart went in again with the Hart Foundation 2.0. Knowing Triple H and Vince's thinking they may reserve the double induction honor for Flair alone though.

http://www.pwmania.com/backstage-news-dolph-ziggler-possibly-turning-babyface-soon-vince-mcmahons-involvement#.UPgD97-9Kc0

If true this pretty much kills a certain posters theory of Ziggler and Langston turning on AJ.

Everytime I see Big E and AJ, I can see the WWE's version of Bane and Talia.

Bane had an actual personality. Langston looks like Lashleys kid brother.

 

[TheFuture]

If that's the card they're going for then I won't be watching WM live. The only one that would even slightly interest me is Taker/Punk, and even then not by a lot due to the belt not being involved (and thus, the result being a foregone conclusion).

 

[Pink Ranger]

Bane had an actual personality. Langston looks like Lashleys kid brother.

More like Lashley's dad, coming here via a time travelling DeLorean from 1989.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Good news, now the WWE can sign Ric Flair to a non-wrestler deal and pursue Alex Shelley (if they wanted to):

- TNA's lawsuit with WWE is officially done as it was dismissed in court on Wednesday. TNA filed a motion this week stating that all sides had come to terms and agreed that they would withdraw the lawsuit. Each side covered their own legal costs.

 

[bullets]

The Kliq? That would truly confirm the utter farce that the HOF is. Then again, I suppose it already is a farce.

It makese zero sense to induct the cliq into the Hall of fame. At least DX and NWO make some sort of sense. Triple H , Nash , Razor Ramon , and maybe X- Pac could go in individually. The New Age Outlaws could go in as a team or part of DX. Xpac can go in as part of NWO and DX. Inducting them as backstage buddies would be a bigger farce than the Drew Carey one.

It'd be nice if Hart went in again with the Hart Foundation 2.0. Knowing Triple H and Vince's thinking they may reserve the double induction honor for Flair though.

The Hart foundation is a must. I'd have Natalya and Tyson Kidd present to them and guys like Bulldog , Owen , and Pillman could be honored simultaneously.

I also love how genuine AJ is about the business. She wasn't a model who got signed by Johnny Ace. I don't think she's there to achieve 'bigger" fame. I think she'll stay in it as long as she can.

She also does the best "character" work of any woman in WWE or TNA right now. She really knows how to emote for wrestling.

That and I admire her tight little body.

There's a video of her meeting fans when she was a child. I like that she's a legit fan and not just trying to further her modeling career like half the divas that just left town.

Ditto. It gets me when some fans say we need more blood and chairshots and stuff like that and don't even consider the risks when we've seen the terrible consequences to the talent.

Well I don't mind that they took away chairshots to the head. We do need blood , imo , but not every week. Once or twice a year. Also I agree with what you said about the indies. It's one thing to do it with emts backstage and for a company , but doing it at the local high school without blood tests is dangerous.

A little bit like Bret Harts heel turn from 1997. He still thought he was a face and even acted it in some ways. And Punks turn a few years back is another example. I'm even reminded of Jerichos last return where he cheered with the crowd but at a point his overblown face act got him heel heat.

Those are my favorite kinds of heels and some of the best heels in the history of wrestling. It's good to have monsters and sadistic heels , but also complex and sometimes flawed characters interest me.

 

[bullets]

If that's the card they're going for then I won't be watching WM live. The only one that would even slightly interest me is Taker/Punk, and even then not by a lot due to the belt not being involved (and thus, the result being a foregone conclusion).

You don't want a streak vs streak that just ended match? Lol.


If the reports are true about Undertaker's frustration it's already a foregone conclusion. Undertaker still thinks he has a couple matches left in him. If it was still ambiguous I'd be very interested.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

seen this posted on twitter when you look back over the win/loss records, ziggler was beat 58 times in 2012, thats a higher loss rate than heath slater

 

[Metallo]

Looking so good in losing is a gift and curse

More like Lashley's dad, coming here via a time travelling DeLorean from 1989.

Or a hot tub. Or a phone booth. Or the Lex Express slingshotted around the sun.

 

[TX85]

A Ziggler face turn would be great,At least he'd get more wins that way

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

i just dont see how a face ziggler would work. ziggler reminds me so much of rick rude, or rick martel.

the whole cocky jock/pretty boy works so much better as a heel

 

[Metallo]

Zigglers more Martel than Rude when it comes to mic skills. More Rude when it comes to selling.

The thing is great in ring workers/sellers can still make it as faces.

I think he's probably better as a heel but like Mr Perfect or Shawn Michaels Ziggler is a good enough in ring worker to get by as a cocky confident babyface.

Rudes deal was he was just SO good on the mic and so good at beaing a real bastard of a heel that he made a perfect heel. You couldn't imagine him as a babyface. he had a kind of sly, slick arrogantly sinister nature about him with the more rugged looks and that voice of his.

I could buy Ziggler as a face more than I could ever accept Del Rio or Miz at least.

 

[Metallo]

The Honky Tonk Man Talks About Vince McMahon, IC Title Run, More


By Steve Carrier on 01/17/2013

- Former WWE Superstar The Honky Tonk Man recently spoke with Kayfabe Wrestling Radio. Here are some highlights from the interview.

Working in Calgary before coming to the WWE: "I was still very active in Calgary; in fact, I was the North American Heavyweight Champion I think at that point in time, or if I'm not mistaken… yeah, I think I was because Ron Starr, my partner, we were tag team champions and when those guys left and went to the Maritimes for the summer; and at that point in time I was picked up by WWE, so it was through the good graces of Stu Hart that he brokered the deal for me and gave me the rite of passage to leave Calgary to go over to the WWE. You know, Stu was the nicest guy in the world and would never hold anyone back and of course his son, that being Bret and his son-in-law, Jim 'The Anvil' Neidhart, the Dynamite Kid and Davey Boy Smith. They were, all for of them, there at the time and had went over the year before, then I came over and shortly after that I kind of left it off where Bad News Allen, which became Bad News Brown in WWE, and he came over shortly after me, six-eight months later, and that's how it went."

How much of the Honky Tonk Man was personally created and how much was by Vince: "That's a very good question; I like how you put it, because it was one of those things where I had started this character down in the Southeast wrestling with the Fullers, Robert and Ron Fuller; Robert being, of course, Col. Rob Parker in the WCW days. And then, I took the character up for Stampede Wrestling, for Stu Hart and the Harts; worked on it and developed in down in the Southeast down in the Mobile and Pensacola area, then took it up to Calgary and then came back to the Mobile/Pensacola area, then back to Calgary again. So I spent three-five years working on this character: the black hair, the jumpsuit, the guitar thing, the interview style and all of that, so when I went over to interview with Vince McMahon; he wanted me to bring a tape so he could see something, a little piece of a match and of course some interview stuff.

"Their first thing was, back then there was no creative department or anything, there was just Vince and pretty much Howard Finkel, Pat Patterson, Arnold Skaaland; I mean, those were the guys in the office when I went over there. He looked at it (the tape) and saw these visions of black sideburns and the sunglasses; he saw little foamy guitars and little jumpsuits. Vince was always into the marketing part of it. The wrestling thing, I heard you say earlier as part of your intro 'you're not supposed to say 'wrestling''; Vince was not really into the wrestling part of it. I mean, he loved it and that's his life, but what you did in the ring was secondary to what he had planed for you. But I had developed this character to be a bad guy, not a good guy and he envisioned it as a good guy, but eventually about six months later, it eventually went back to what I had developed, which was the bad guy character."

Being an entertainer and perceived as a 'cartoon' style character working with WWE in the 80's: "You know, it was never something that I had a problem, because there's so many people who have said those nasty things about me over the last few years; that I was terrible in the ring, I couldn't wrestle, I couldn't what they call 'work', I was not technical by any means and all. Well, you know, thank you very much; I have never considered myself to be a wrestler. I have always been an entertainer; I entertain people and I happen to be in sport entertainment or I like to call professional wrestling 'theatrical athletics' and anybody who says its different must be living, they obviously come from somewhere else. But Vince understood the entertainment value of what we were doing and consequently he had a group of guys there that were entertainers and that's what we did."

If he thinks he would have been as successful with a different manager, other than Jimmy Hart: "I think it would have been a little more difficult. It's like I said, I don't know if the gears would have clicked as much with; you know Bobby was more, and I know that, from just my conversations with Rick Rude over some periods of time. Rick was one of those guys that; Rick never thought that he needed a manager, in fact, and he really didn't. Rick was a good mouthpiece himself and of course Bobby is a mouthpiece and Bobby was Bobby and was already well established as a bad guy and had been thrown in with weasel suit matches and things like that. It's difficult when your manager, when the fans are yelling while your in the ring and you're trying to get your persona and get your character developed and get the fans to watch you; and your manager is outside and they're chanting 'Weasel, Weasel, Weasel'. So, Rick had the problem a little bit; he thought he should have the microphone time. And Bobby was a great mouthpiece, I mean, he was fantastic on a microphone and he was perfect for someone like an Andre the Giant. He was perfect for someone, like when Captain Lou Albano was always the talker for someone, or you know The Grand Wizard. Mr. Fuji wasn't as much of a talker as a manager; I know when he managed Don Morocco, Don did all the talking and Mr. Fuji just kind of stood there and smiled with his devious smile and facial expressions. So, I don't know if I could have done as well with someone else other than Jimmy."

His historic Intercontinental Title run and how it started: "It was, in bookings gone past, Vince's father's way of doing things and it was with a lot of promoters and bookers; they would tell you 'Yes, we will start you (on a title run) on this date and six-eight months from now or thirteen months from now, you're going to finish. I went to Puerto Rico and I had a starting date and they told me like nine months; when I went there it would be like nine months later, I'd be leaving on this particular month on this particular weekend and this was when I was going out, this is how they did it. But no, when it came to what we did, the way Vince (Jr.) was doing it, it was strictly on ticket sales, it was 'Hey, if you can get the job done, you're going to run with it.'

"And that was the whole thing with me, when they mentioned Butch Reed's not here and they were in a panic situation because Butch was going to get the belt from Steamboat and he wasn't there; he was AWOL that night. I just happened to walk by and Hogan and Vince were talking and Hogan said 'What about this guy?' and Vince took a look and said 'Alright, maybe so' and he pulled me off to the corner and mentioned to me about the belt. I said 'Hey, you know Vince, I told you when I first came here if you give me a chance, and I do good, pay me. If I don't do good and I can't make it, fire me and I'll be gone. You won't have to fire me, I'll pack my bag and leave.' And that was our deal, our handshake deal and that was the way it was with the intercontinental belt. I said 'Believe me, I don't want a day off.' He said, "Well, everyone needs a day off. You'll burn out and you need to see your family every now and then." And I said, 'Listen, if you give me that belt, I will run with it as long as you want me to and as long as I can sell tickets.' He said, 'Ok, I like that.' And that's how it happened."

If he ever had problems with people during the IC Title run: "Naw, I never had any problems with that until I won the Intercontinental Championship. I had put, even with the belt, when Jake was on his hiatus or when Steamboat left, they were left a void there for a couple months of bookings for Steamboat that had to be filled with substitutes and anytime they had a substitute, the substitute would win and made it a non-title match and the substitute would win clean, 1-2-3. I actually lost more matches than I really won if you go back and look at this thing. The only time I ever won matches was on TV, on the TV Tapings, other than that it was a DQ or Jimmy Hart got involved; we always kept the belt somehow.

"Even Steamboat, he's gone on record saying the one match he's never liked was losing to an Elvis impersonator. Well, you know, I look at it like this; listen 'Dragon', you could have lost it to a guy in a skirt blowing the bagpipes, or you could have lost it to a guy with a snake, or you could have lost it to Hulk Hogan, hey Brother with the 21-inch pythons, or you could have lost it to Brutus 'The Barber' Beefcake and he could have shaved your head. You know, to say something like that, it struck a little chord with me and he was not the most professional that night. If people go back and watch this match, you'll see I gave him about 90, or maybe 95 percent of the match was all his and let him shine and do all his stuff and by fluke and however it went down; we threw Jimmy Hart in the mix and Jimmy got hit and boom and this and I grab the rope, 1-2-3. And it was one of those things where I did everything to make this guy look good and make him be happy about it. After it was over and he back and we had return matches a couple of time, he was fine.

"You know, there's been other guys; if Tito was here right now, I'd tell him, I hope he's listening. Tito Santana; Oh, you've got to pull my feet, Jimmy Hart's gotta hit me with a megaphone, we've got to knock the referee down. Oh, come on, I took that flying burrito elbow and never said a word about it, 1-2-3. But when it come time for those guys to do the favor, it was like, 'Naw. Can we do this? Can we do that?' There was a couple of times that went on. Yeah, you know, I never ever said anything about any of it until that came up with the Macho Man thing, and it nothing to do with Randy; Randy and I talked about it. It was all about the television thing with 35 million people."


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[MMMMM...Pancakes]

i just dont see how a face ziggler would work. ziggler reminds me so much of rick rude, or rick martel.

the whole cocky jock/pretty boy works so much better as a heel

Ziggler should grow a porn 'stache. Would complete his character.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that WWE wants to sign Brock Lesnar for another year after Wrestlemania 29, and his signing could affect this year's plans for the big show in April.

Lesnar is expected to return to television in February to resume a program with Triple H, which would culminate with a (rumored) Summerslam rematch at Wrestlemania. The Observer says the finish could depend on Lesnar's resigning, and he reportedly wants to wait until the last possible moment to make his decision. The new deal would be similar to the one he is signed to now, which features several television appearances and pay-per-view matches, and there are already two high profile matches being discussed.

The first match being talked about is between Lesnar and CM Punk, and the other would see Lesnar face The Undertaker. The Observer said Lesnar versus Undertaker would potentially be a huge draw, but it all depends on Undertaker's physical condition. A reference was made to Taker's on-screen standoff with Lesnar at UFC 121 being incorporated into the feud, but Undertaker is said to be in bad shape and a match between the two might not work well because of Lesnar's physical style.

I myself would be interested in both of those ideas, but Lesnar would have to win at least one of these(imo, Lesnar can't continue with two matches this year after WM29 and lose both), so who would be the better option? Lesnar beating 'Taker or Lesnar beating Punk?

 

[The Batman]

I have no interest in Lesnar beating Taker yet again. One reason I want to see Taker/Lesnar is so that Taker finally gets a clean win over him.

This is exactly why Taker/Lesnar should happen at WM29 instead of yet another match with HHH.

But Punk definitely should get a win over Lesnar. Since everyone (including Punk himself) loves comparing Punk to Batman, Lesnar being his Bane would be perfect. Imagine a first encounter ending with Lesnar destroying Punk before Punk gets a triumphant win over him in a rematch.