Your GL movie

[Hellstormer]

Most people you'd find on the street unless they are five do not watch cartoons.

Yes but alot oof them have sons/daughters/brothers/sisters that do.

 

[Hellstormer]

double post

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yes but alot oof them have sons/daughters/brothers/sisters that do.

Not really, or at least it makes no difference. 18 to 24 is the target audience for an action movie. And they won't know JLU from a hole in the wall by and large. I stopped watching cartoons around the time I started becoming interested in girls/women, so we will say about 15 or 16 was the end of it completely. The only reason I know of JLU and Evolution is through the comics I read, otherwise I would be completely oblivious. I have a few comic fan friends who watch, however to them they already know who Hal Jordan is and who Jon Stewart is so for them usually Hal is their number 1 GL. As for younger siblings or cousins perhaps, not really again. Video games have rather overtaken cartoons at this point, and I don't know any friends of mine who are into what their next of kin likes to the extent that they know much about it. My girlfriend for example, knew her young sister watched Powerpuff girls, however knew little about the show. So again not really. If they are familiar with a cartoon it is Hal Jordan from Superfriends when they grew up, or they know of GL's origin which again Hal. Kyle is another well known GL to my age bracket, however to be fair neither is well known.

 

[dnno1]

All of those films are incredibly dated and or very very bad.

The last three films that I mentioned in my post were made within the the last 6 years so I don't know what you mean by dated. They still made money, which means people went out to see them (you have heard of the term popular) so I don't know what you mean by bad (they all went on to have sequels made). In spite of your opinion, thats what seems to matter to the studios, investors, and the audience as a whole anyway.

 

[GL1]

Wow, well we can just go say ANYTHING on a message board...

Given that Green Lantern isn't as high-profile a licese as say Superman or Batman, if we're being honest, the first movie would probably be made on a fairly conservative budget(unless GL has some high-profile fans in Hollywood willing to throw their weight behind it), so I think making a fairly simple movie with regards to special-effects laden characters would be a good idea, although I think a good trilogy could be formed out of the story.

You are uninformed. Allow me: Sci-Fi Films have notoriously lower budgets compared to their action adventure bretheren, creating fantastic worlds is always cheaper than blowing up the real one. Matrix was $63 Million, Sky Captain was $70 Million, the last star trek was $60 M and... well, you get the picture. Basing a GL film on Oa and other non-earth Planets would be cheaper than earth-centric (but still requiring Oa) Emerald Dawn.

True, I forgot all about the cartoon. Still, Hal is the 'classic' GL, I think most comic fans would be unhappy if he wasn't the main man. It'd be like making a Batman movie where it's the Azrael guy or Spiderman with Ben Reilly.

No it would not. In comics, John AND Hal are GLs, and have been GLs together for a very long time. I think any comic fans that would be unhappy with the teaming up in a GL movie isn't much of a comic fan. Azrael and Ben Reilly are hardly perennial Spider-Men and Batmen, foudned and established in a Corps of Spider-Men and Batmen which is essential to the origin of Bruce Wayne and Peter Parker.

Most people you'd find on the street unless they are five do not watch cartoons.

False on two counts. Not only does JL/JLU's successfully targetted audience top out at 14 (kids who have jobs and cars now), but JLU has been all over everything for the last five years. Most people on the street don't know there's a white Green Lantern, they think it's the black guy. Go out and try it.

Not really, or at least it makes no difference. 18 to 24 is the target audience for an action movie. And they won't know JLU from a hole in the wall by and large. I stopped watching cartoons around the time I started becoming interested in girls/women, so we will say about 15 or 16 was the end of it completely. The only reason I know of JLU and Evolution is through the comics I read, otherwise I would be completely oblivious. I have a few comic fan friends who watch, however to them they already know who Hal Jordan is and who Jon Stewart is so for them usually Hal is their number 1 GL. As for younger siblings or cousins perhaps, not really again. Video games have rather overtaken cartoons at this point, and I don't know any friends of mine who are into what their next of kin likes to the extent that they know much about it. My girlfriend for example, knew her young sister watched Powerpuff girls, however knew little about the show. So again not really. If they are familiar with a cartoon it is Hal Jordan from Superfriends when they grew up, or they know of GL's origin which again Hal. Kyle is another well known GL to my age bracket, however to be fair neither is well known.

Wow, you seem to like making up numbers. Video game ads are targetted for 18-34 year olds, I have a feeling that movies that make $200M aren't targetted only to people with low paying jobs. No my friends, the target audience for a summer blockbuster is likely to top out closer to 50 than 30.

While you can be free to make up numbers, the bottom line is that John Stewart has been exposed to a much larger number of people, often indirectly from the cartoon through merchandising, ads, like the ones you saw in comic books (they appear many other places, trust me), video stores or just walking around Six Flags. John Stewart has been everywhere, including in the comics. I'd assume most people don't know his name, but they do know "that black superhero from the cartoons."

What your buddies think and know is hardly conclusive evidence about the nation's consumers... that's why people have scientific studies because information from a small group of friends is unreliable and useless for induction. But thank you for sharing that part of your life with us... it helps us know you better.

That's why it makes the most sense to have a Hal AND John GL movie. John is the Lantern most people know, Hal is the Lantern most comics fans want, and not only are they partners in the mythos currently, not only have the worked together for years, but they play well off of each other when John is written correctly or even just well (a nonexistant occasion in GL Vol 2 and 3).

Also, someone might just realize that the GL mythos about about the entire universe, and not just Hal Jordan.

 

[G-Hammer]

Wow, well we can just go say ANYTHING on a message board...



You are uninformed. Allow me: Sci-Fi Films have notoriously lower budgets compared to their action adventure bretheren, creating fantastic worlds is always cheaper than blowing up the real one. Matrix was $63 Million, Sky Captain was $70 Million, the last star trek was $60 M and... well, you get the picture. Basing a GL film on Oa and other non-earth Planets would be cheaper than earth-centric (but still requiring Oa) Emerald Dawn.

Wasn't the Matrix mostly set in what could be called the 'real' world? sure there were scenes of fantastic worlds, but as I recall, quite a bit of it took place in pretty normal locales.

Still, point taken, although isn't Emerald Dawn really GL's most famous story ark? I can't claim to have ever been all that close a follower of the comics, perhaps it was just because it was the biggest story going on with the character when I was well into comics. By consequence I always saw it as being akin to the Death of Superman or the Symbiote Saga in that it would be the one a lot of fans would be eager to see.

No it would not. In comics, John AND Hal are GLs, and have been GLs together for a very long time. I think any comic fans that would be unhappy with the teaming up in a GL movie isn't much of a comic fan. Azrael and Ben Reilly are hardly perennial Spider-Men and Batmen, foudned and established in a Corps of Spider-Men and Batmen which is essential to the origin of Bruce Wayne and Peter Parker.

Fair enough, although should Hal and John be used, I couldn't see Hollywood not turning this into Sci-Fi Rush-Hour.

 

[GL1]

Wasn't the Matrix mostly set in what could be called the 'real' world? sure there were scenes of fantastic worlds, but as I recall, quite a bit of it took place in pretty normal locales.

Still, point taken, although isn't Emerald Dawn really GL's most famous story ark? I can't claim to have ever been all that close a follower of the comics, perhaps it was just because it was the biggest story going on with the character when I was well into comics. By consequence I always saw it as being akin to the Death of Superman or the Symbiote Saga in that it would be the one a lot of fans would be eager to see.

On the Matrix, the only real-world costs involved were the helicopter sequence, everything else was either just background on a sound stage or CGI. That's what kept the costs down. For a movie like, I dunno, Pirates of the Caribbean, it has full size destructable boats and live destructable locales and stuff, so it's nearly impossible to get that budget below $100M...

Oh, I assure you, Emerald Twilight is MUCH more well known. But Emerald Dawn is a great straightforward story. The main reason I wouldn't use it for a movie is because it limits the franchise to Earth and Hal Jordan, which would be, to say the least, bad... either than or it forces the franchise to take a new direction with the sequel with Oa and other lanterns, thus alienating fans similar to how ET and Rebirth did. I figure they should take the Corps concept from the very door and that Hal Jordan, the perennial acheiver should be our guide, not our proxy. And it's not like they're going to do ED anyway, they're not going to use Legion as a main villain, nor do we want them to.

Fair enough, although should Hal and John be used, I couldn't see Hollywood not turning this into Sci-Fi Rush-Hour.

I'm assuming it's because it's a buddy "cop" movie with a black guy... that's the only similarity I see... in which case, I point you to upcoming Miami Vice and the Lethal Weapon Franchise.

 

[G-Hammer]

Fair points again. The thing about the corps being introduced with Hal as our guide to it is actually what I was thinking, just not having the whole shebang thrown in right away(as that may come off as a bit too Men-in-Black-centric), though I don't think I put that across in my post.

And remember Lethal Weapon came way before RH, and the reason, aside from the Race issue, although that is the main reason I can see it happening, as that seems to be the fate of the majority of action buddy-cop/hero movies where 2 races are used, its also the fact that we are dealing with a comic book movie here, and let's be honest, major franchises aside, Hollywood isn't all that kind to non-major characters, and they usually end-up shoe-horned into a Hollywood-Stereotype, even if they don't quite fit it.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

While you can be free to make up numbers, the bottom line is that John Stewart has been exposed to a much larger number of people, often indirectly from the cartoon through merchandising, ads, like the ones you saw in comic books (they appear many other places, trust me), video stores or just walking around Six Flags. John Stewart has been everywhere, including in the comics. I'd assume most people don't know his name, but they do know "that black superhero from the cartoons."

What your buddies think and know is hardly conclusive evidence about the nation's consumers... that's why people have scientific studies because information from a small group of friends is unreliable and useless for induction. But thank you for sharing that part of your life with us... it helps us know you better.

That's why it makes the most sense to have a Hal AND John GL movie. John is the Lantern most people know, Hal is the Lantern most comics fans want, and not only are they partners in the mythos currently, not only have the worked together for years, but they play well off of each other when John is written correctly or even just well (a nonexistant occasion in GL Vol 2 and 3).

Also, someone might just realize that the GL mythos about about the entire universe, and not just Hal Jordan.

Here are your numbers smartass

70% of the viewers of Cartoon Network are under 17. This category weighs especially heavy in the under 15 category. Of the adults (30%) who "watch" CN, a whooping 71% (25+) of them reported having small children in the house. Of the top ten shows I breezed through on their quarterly report. Of the adult demographic, they were approximately 70% of adult viewers (in other words those without children) watched from 11pm onwards. 40% after midnight hours.

The most popular programs were Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, Juniper Lee, PPG, Fosters, Billy and Mandy and Family Guy. I did not see JLU in there.

Basically the conclusion is pretty obvious, adults did not watch JLU, which would be your demographic for movies.

Jon Stewart may have had exposure on a cartoon "comic fans and children" watch, but for the average movie goer it means squit.

 

[dnno1]

Here are your numbers smartass

70% of the viewers of Cartoon Network are under 17. This category weighs especially heavy in the under 15 category. Of the adults (30%) who "watch" CN, a whooping 71% (25+) of them reported having small children in the house. Of the top ten shows I breezed through on their quarterly report. Of the adult demographic, they were approximately 70% of adult viewers (in other words those without children) watched from 11pm onwards. 40% after midnight hours.

The most popular programs were Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, Juniper Lee, PPG, Fosters, Billy and Mandy and Family Guy. I did not see JLU in there.

Basically the conclusion is pretty obvious, adults did not watch JLU, which would be your demographic for movies.

Jon Stewart may have had exposure on a cartoon "comic fans and children" watch, but for the average movie goer it means squit.

Which means that 30% of them are over the age of 18. With 87.3 million subscribers to Cartoon Network, thats about 26 million (adult) viewers. BTW yhou should have cited where you got your data from, which was thish Cartoon Network Brochure. 26 million people is more than enough to fund a major motion picture although, unfortunately, the percentage that watches Justice League is much smaller. In 2001, according to Zap2it - TV news, over 4 million viewers in the 18-34 year-old demographic watched Justice League. If you are going to rely on just that demographic to pay for a Green Lantern film it won't be enough. Now, if you include the 12-24 demographic, which is about 26% of the viewers in the 8p-11p Mon-Sun time slot, that would be (as a proportion) over 8 million viewers. That will get you closer assuming you need 13 million viewers at $6 a pop to recover an $80 million production cost, but that would mean your film would need to be less dark and more family friendly in order to capture that demographic. That's why I suggested in another thread that whoever produces the film should try to lure a different (and larger) demographic if they want the film to be darker: Sci-Fi/Fantasy fans.

 

[GL1]

dnno1 with teh saive! (and the clever plug for the sci-fi GL Franchise, which I strongly support!)

Here are your numbers smartass

70% of the viewers of Cartoon Network are under 17. This category weighs especially heavy in the under 15 category. Of the adults (30%) who "watch" CN, a whooping 71% (25+) of them reported having small children in the house. Of the top ten shows I breezed through on their quarterly report. Of the adult demographic, they were approximately 70% of adult viewers (in other words those without children) watched from 11pm onwards. 40% after midnight hours.

The most popular programs were Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, Juniper Lee, PPG, Fosters, Billy and Mandy and Family Guy. I did not see JLU in there.

Basically the conclusion is pretty obvious, adults did not watch JLU, which would be your demographic for movies.

Jon Stewart may have had exposure on a cartoon "comic fans and children" watch, but for the average movie goer it means squit.

I was definitely being flippant. And I applaud you on your research, unfortunately, dnno1's already dealt with that and the only reason to discount 30% of CN's viewership as non-viewers is your quotation marks... the research doesn't show that they aren't watching, but more likely, since they aren't logging it as little kids viewing, they're watching it WITH and BECAUSE of their little ones...

Now, keep in mind that your analysis of the adults who have direct exposure to the John Stewart character does not begin to account for the massive amount of merchandising and ads that the average consumer has been exposed to.

My statement: John Stewart is the most exposed and most publicly recognizable Green Lantern at this time.
Your Statement: Adults don't watch JLU.

Not only has that been disproved, but even if no adults watched JLU EVAR, it wouldn't mean that they hadn't seen Green Lantern around in the last five years... cereal boxes for crying out loud. And if they've seen a GL in the last five years outside of comics, it's been John Stetwart.

I submit this: What if... just what if... we're both right? Most adults don't watch JL/JLU AND John is the most recognizable GL?

 

[Disclaimer]

Well I think a GL film would be cool and I think Kyle would be cooler to use then anyone else but if they had to use Hal i would be fine with it and the ccostume should look like this

Now doesn't taht just scream Galactic Police Force?

Hmmm... I'm sure the costume would look like that... if Fox had the rights to make this film...!

All I can say is thank Christ they don't... 'cus that pic looks like RoboCop or somethin'.

Hopefully Warner will stick with the classy formula they've used for 'Batman Begins' and 'Superman Returns', looking further than the first day box office and considering the longevity of their films.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Make his costume reminiscent of real military/airforce type uniform

 

[GL1]

Hmmm... why can't Hal's costume resemble his comics one? I mean, it has a completley alien origin. Just give it that cool ribbed fabric from Spidey and SR. SR and Begins made signifcant changes to the heroes' costumes, but not a complete overhaul.

Heh... I remember when everyone hated BB's helmet-cowl. Or the tiny S on SR. Heh, funny how time plays tricks..

 

[Hellstormer]

Hmmm... why can't Hal's costume resemble his comics one? I mean, it has a completley alien origin. Just give it that cool ribbed fabric from Spidey and SR. SR and Begins made signifcant changes to the heroes' costumes, but not a complete overhaul.

Heh... I remember when everyone hated BB's helmet-cowl. Or the tiny S on SR. Heh, funny how time plays tricks..

I still hate the tiny S

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

solo film- Hal Jordan-Emerald Dawn orgin

JLA movie-John Stewart-chosen by the Guardians after Jordan was deemed "unfit".

 

[dnno1]

Hmmm... why can't Hal's costume resemble his comics one? I mean, it has a completley alien origin. Just give it that cool ribbed fabric from Spidey and SR. SR and Begins made signifcant changes to the heroes' costumes, but not a complete overhaul.

Heh... I remember when everyone hated BB's helmet-cowl. Or the tiny S on SR. Heh, funny how time plays tricks..

What were really hideous were Superman's boots in SR.

 

[GL1]

What were really hideous were Superman's boots in SR.

Dude... why did you have to remind me of that!? Urgh... now I hate the suit again.

But seriously, I really think a GL franchise should take a Sci-Fi angle (dnno1's fault). The ability to keep a budget down, the ability to draw on a whole new crop of fans (The Sci-Fi crew), and basically, capitalize on what set the GL franchise apart in the first place. Yep that right, Hal Jordan and the Corps were created for the explicit purpose of pumping Sci-Fi into a sagging genre. I think it worked... I think it should happen again.

Not to mention that the GL mythos has some REALLY cool aliens. Rot Lop Fan. Kilowogg. Mogo. These are brilliant creations that need to be shown off, not marginalized for the sake of Batman-style "realism."

 

[Hellstormer]

Yeah if they do a GL film it has to take a Sci-Fi angle and Kilowag and Mogo must makem appearences.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Dude... why did you have to remind me of that!? Urgh... now I hate the suit again.

But seriously, I really think a GL franchise should take a Sci-Fi angle (dnno1's fault). The ability to keep a budget down, the ability to draw on a whole new crop of fans (The Sci-Fi crew), and basically, capitalize on what set the GL franchise apart in the first place. Yep that right, Hal Jordan and the Corps were created for the explicit purpose of pumping Sci-Fi into a sagging genre. I think it worked... I think it should happen again.

Not to mention that the GL mythos has some REALLY cool aliens. Rot Lop Fan. Kilowogg. Mogo. These are brilliant creations that need to be shown off, not marginalized for the sake of Batman-style "realism."

For the first film they need to be unaddressed IMO. Outside of Abin Sur and potentially a future human who will become a Green Lantern, no one besides Hal needs to be present. There are a couple of reasons for this. Green Lantern may be an ensemble piece with the Corp, however unlike X-Men it has a direct and central character. Who is Hal. Hal is Green Lantern, not the other Green Lanterns. Just like you would not want Earth-2 and Elseworlds Supermen in the first Superman, you don't want distractions here either. The audience must understand that Hal is the "Green Lantern" while everyone else are just his compatriots. In essence what Wolverine was in X-Men (and should not have been).

Number 2: Hal should not have someone explain to him what the ring is. This is something he has to master on his own at first. Having the ability to write an explanation for the ring like you did in LOTR takes away from the "alien" element associated with it. It ought to something foreign to Hal, and something he makes his own. To preserve th mystique of the ring leaves the aliens out for film 1.

Number 3: The human cast needs to be played up, and unfortunately you have lot of introduction. Especially if you want Ferris and his brother in the film. The Corp is just too much for the first film. The story needs ttobe simple and straight forward. Legion attacks Abin Sur, he crashes and Legion begins wrecking Coast city to find him. He turns into that squid thing in Coast City Harbor and Hal Jordan throws him into Space. This brings him to the Guardians attention in film two.

 

[GL1]

For the first film they need to be unaddressed IMO. Outside of Abin Sur and potentially a future human who will become a Green Lantern, no one besides Hal needs to be present. There are a couple of reasons for this. Green Lantern may be an ensemble piece with the Corp, however unlike X-Men it has a direct and central character. Who is Hal. Hal is Green Lantern, not the other Green Lanterns. Just like you would not want Earth-2 and Elseworlds Supermen in the first Superman, you don't want distractions here either. The audience must understand that Hal is the "Green Lantern" while everyone else are just his compatriots. In essence what Wolverine was in X-Men (and should not have been).

Wow. I've never seen it that way. I've always seen Hal, John, Guy, Kyle and Kilowogg as equals, equally capable of being each other's supporting casts, and have been such in the past. Since comic book audiences don't have to understand Hal as "The" GL, I don't see why a movie audience should. I could understand if it had been before Guy and John's introduction, but at this point, that's not in keeping with the Comics.

Number 2: Hal should not have someone explain to him what the ring is. This is something he has to master on his own at first. Having the ability to write an explanation for the ring like you did in LOTR takes away from the "alien" element associated with it. It ought to something foreign to Hal, and something he makes his own. To preserve th mystique of the ring leaves the aliens out for film 1.

Ah, so 'the Force' has no mystique, since there are aliens and it was explained, in part? The ability to write an explanation does not take anything away from the "magic" of the ring... much less the presence of aliens. Aliens using rings comfortably, on the other hand, highlights it's alien quality, wouldn't you say?

Number 3: The human cast needs to be played up, and unfortunately you have lot of introduction. Especially if you want Ferris and his brother in the film. The Corp is just too much for the first film. The story needs ttobe simple and straight forward. Legion attacks Abin Sur, he crashes and Legion begins wrecking Coast city to find him. He turns into that squid thing in Coast City Harbor and Hal Jordan throws him into Space. This brings him to the Guardians attention in film two.

The human cast does not necessarily need to played up. You refer to the conditions of ED as "musts" but you do not establish an authority for this mandate. Nor do you seem to be aware how much more expensive and less climactic Legion blowing up downtown Coast City is from Hal and Sinestro facing off in the inner Chambers of Oa.

Here's an example of an issue brought up earlier in the thread that you have ignored: The rest of the GL mythos tend to involve aliens and interplanetary villains. Are you suggesting that sequels to an ED-based GL movie depart from Earth, changing the tone and setting similar to how Matrix 2 changed the tone of the franchise, disenfranchising fans? Or do you beleive the rest of the GL mythos should be changed or omitted in order to be tailored to Hal's adventures on Earth, limited as they are. Or do you beleive that you can have an earth-based Hal-centric adventure and then switch to an intergalactic ensemble franchise and no one will feel a disjoint?

Are you aware that SciFi is what saved the Green Lantern title... that departing from typical superherodom to sci-fi is what made Hal popular in the first place? You say simple and straightforward as if the Corps is a complicated thing... if they had lightsabers instead of sectors there'd be a lawsuit! They need to be trained. Hal's great and Sinestro betrays them. You can't get much more simple and straightforward than that.

I could make a case against basing a GL movie on ED all day long... but, I instead offer this suggestion. Years ago, in a time called "2000" Fox released a movie called X-Men. Wonderful thing, now, in order to Promote this movie, they created a one-shot show called "Mutant Watch," an hour long special in which Senator Kelly, played by Bruce Davidson, proclaimed the evil of mutants, and the senate, news reporters, all manner of people asked questions segueing into an exploration of the X-Men's universe. I thought it was bloody brilliant, and more than a tad entertaining.

So I propose, instead of handicapping a huge Sci-fi franchise by making supporting cast out of some of comics' best and brightest heroes, use an hour, in TV format to tell Hal's origin, his conflict with Legion, the weakness to yellow, the beginings of his conflict with Sinestro, his intro to the Guardians, and the basic premise of the ring. Use reporters like Tawny Young to get into Green Lantern and what he's all about. Not only do you promote the movie, tell the ED story so many Hal fans want to see, but you don't ostracise legions of GL fans based on Hal fanboyism. It wasn't smart with Kyle in ET and it's not smart with Hal either.

Hal. John. Sinestro. Manhunters. Sci-Fi. Green Lantern.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Wow. I've never seen it that way. I've always seen Hal, John, Guy, Kyle and Kilowogg as equals, equally capable of being each other's supporting casts, and have been such in the past. Since comic book audiences don't have to understand Hal as "The" GL, I don't see why a movie audience should. I could understand if it had been before Guy and John's introduction, but at this point, that's not in keeping with the Comics.

But they aren't and they never will be. If you have even a remote knowledge of the comic you realize the pecking order is Hal, Kyle, then Jon and everyone else is supporting. I mean just look at the stories. Compare the amount of Kyle and Hal stories to Kilowag, Guy and Jon. I have yet to read a strict Kilowag story. I honestly don't think the GL who gets knocked out from one Batpunch for two whole issues is seen as Kyle and Hal's equal either. You may like the characters who support the two main GL's but the fact is now your just looking for a movie you want not one that makes sense or that the general public would buy.

Hell I want a Transformers movie based off Furman/Wildman's "All Fall Down" and "Decepticon Civil War" arc, guess what? it ain't happening. Despite my love for Nightbeat, Kup, Galvatron, Xaaron, Powermaster Prime and FortMax, they are not as important as Jazz, Optimus Prime, Megatron and Starscream are to a TF movie, plain and simple. You may love Kilowag, you may love Guy but the long and the short of it is...there are stories without them, and they are basically come and go characters in the GL Universe (heck Kyle and Hal at various points have been the ONLY GLs we were aware of).

This idea of issuing this many aliens in one place at one time AND attempting to explain the new powers has a ton of problems with it.

One it is incredibly redundant, especially for a first film. Here is Green Lantern, here are his CORP and his Villians WHO ALL HAVE THE EXACT SAME POWER. People would be bored to tears by the first act. Your better off developing Hal as a distinct character first with a different powered villian then you are forcing his powers on by the thousands.

You are testing the waters always with a first film. Including the characters and powers. There is a reason X1 utilized a smaller X-Men with less powers to explain. For Green Lantern it is all about the ring, Hal (or Kyle or whatever) and how he comes to terms with it. This Green Lantern is your test, do people like him? Do we need more?

Also the Corp doesn't come allong until later. You say ED, but ED features the Corp rather prominently. The original GL focused heavily on Hal before introducing anyone else, same with Kyle's start. Both major GLs were solidified in their own comics as the figure heads before the CORP was developed at all.

Furthermore GL is not 100% scifi in space, in fact it is a fairly grounded book that takes place A LOT on earth. It is in fact much more like Superman, which is primarily an earth bound epic that has the ability to go into space if need be. Also if anyone ever wants to pursue a Parallax storyline you need to establish just how important that town, the people in it, and the earth is to Hal. And more to the point you have to make people CARE about it.

Which comes to the last point. Why should I care about the thousands of other GLs, especially in movie one. I won't, I go to root for the hero, not get bogged down in a bagillion other heroes who are just carbon copies of one another. At least in X-Men or LoTR I have a variety of characters, however here I got all guys with power rings. I need a story focusing on one and only one first so I can appretiate what a Green Lantern is. Your idea just tells me what a Green Lantern does, fights aliens in space.

 

[GL1]

Wow, Shadow, you actually didn't address ANY of my points. Not a single one. Wow. You don't have an arguement do you? You even sink to personal attacks and outright slander in this next post. I offer proof and compromise, and you come at me with this? I constantly offer "we're both right" and you spurn me. So, even though you have no arguement, and you continually ignore the evidence given you, tempting me to repost the SAME information OVER and OVER again, I'm actually going to humor you. Again. But keep at it, even though your arguement is inferior with less evidence, perhaps I will tire of this vicious circle before you.

But they aren't and they never will be. If you have even a remote knowledge of the comic you realize the pecking order is Hal, Kyle, then Jon and everyone else is supporting. I mean just look at the stories. Compare the amount of Kyle and Hal stories to Kilowag, Guy and Jon. I have yet to read a strict Kilowag story. I honestly don't think the GL who gets knocked out from one Batpunch for two whole issues is seen as Kyle and Hal's equal either. You may like the characters who support the two main GL's but the fact is now your just looking for a movie you want not one that makes sense or that the general public would buy.

(Sigh.) They already have been. All the human GLs have been starring characters. The only thing that goes in order Hal, Kyle and then John is number of rabid fanboys, not necessarily "pecking order." This bolded statement is a lie. Pure and simple. No one reading this thread could beleive it.

Hell I want a Transformers movie based off Furman/Wildman's "All Fall Down" and "Decepticon Civil War" arc, guess what? it ain't happening. Despite my love for Nightbeat, Kup, Galvatron, Xaaron, Powermaster Prime and FortMax, they are not as important as Jazz, Optimus Prime, Megatron and Starscream are to a TF movie, plain and simple. You may love Kilowag, you may love Guy but the long and the short of it is...there are stories without them, and they are basically come and go characters in the GL Universe (heck Kyle and Hal at various points have been the ONLY GLs we were aware of).

All GL characters are come and go characters, including Hal. The five human lanterns are stars, have all starred, will all star again and should do so. The same cannot be said for Nightbeat, Kup, Galvatron, Xaaron, Powermaster Prime and Fortmax. Your comparison is uneven and therefore worthless. Thank you for sharing your personal experience though, it helps us know you better.

This idea of issuing this many aliens in one place at one time AND attempting to explain the new powers has a ton of problems with it.

Wow. You don't watch Sci-Fi movies much, do you? I can't beleive you think this would even be a problem.

One it is incredibly redundant, especially for a first film. Here is Green Lantern, here are his CORP and his Villians WHO ALL HAVE THE EXACT SAME POWER. People would be bored to tears by the first act. Your better off developing Hal as a distinct character first with a different powered villian then you are forcing his powers on by the thousands.

Imaginary problem--

Matrix (and who knows how many other Sci-Fi movies) didn't bore and established multiple starring characters, with one central, even though everyone had the same powers. GL can do the same.

You are testing the waters always with a first film. Including the characters and powers. There is a reason X1 utilized a smaller X-Men with less powers to explain. For Green Lantern it is all about the ring, Hal (or Kyle or whatever) and how he comes to terms with it. This Green Lantern is your test, do people like him? Do we need more?

This is answered by the last concern I brought up in my post. Also, note theres a reason why X1 didn't just use Wolverine.

Also the Corp doesn't come allong until later. You say ED, but ED features the Corp rather prominently. The original GL focused heavily on Hal before introducing anyone else, same with Kyle's start. Both major GLs were solidified in their own comics as the figure heads before the CORP was developed at all.

So is the corps featured early or is it saved til later? Both Hal and Kyle's origins involve heavy use of the GL Mythos.

Furthermore GL is not 100% scifi in space, in fact it is a fairly grounded book that takes place A LOT on earth. It is in fact much more like Superman, which is primarily an earth bound epic that has the ability to go into space if need be. Also if anyone ever wants to pursue a Parallax storyline you need to establish just how important that town, the people in it, and the earth is to Hal. And more to the point you have to make people CARE about it.

But space is what set the book apart in a superhero-glutted comic book market and it's what will set it apart with foolishness like "Super Ex Girlfriend" and "Who Wants to Be a Superhero" going around. People care about well written characters, period, whether they be in space, on earth, in the future or in the past. And finally, Parallax is a big yellow bug, we don't need to establish Coast City nearly as much as we need to establish Hal's fearlessness.

Which comes to the last point. Why should I care about the thousands of other GLs, especially in movie one. I won't, I go to root for the hero, not get bogged down in a bagillion other heroes who are just carbon copies of one another. At least in X-Men or LoTR I have a variety of characters, however here I got all guys with power rings. I need a story focusing on one and only one first so I can appretiate what a Green Lantern is. Your idea just tells me what a Green Lantern does, fights aliens in space.

Matrix. Star Wars. Star Trek. Same powers, same technology, different characters, one or two (maybe three) central characters that you really care about, whom the movie is about. My eleven-word idea does not include the dialogue taht makes you genuinely look up to Hal, or the scene placement and scale that makes you fell just as overwhelmed as John Stewart. But it's all there.

Hal Jordan. John Stewart. Sinestro. Manhunters. Sci Fi. For teh win.

So when are you going to get around to my questions, ShadowBoxing? Busy?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

(Sigh.) They already have been. All the human GLs have been starring characters. The only thing that goes in order Hal, Kyle and then John is number of rabid fanboys, not necessarily "pecking order." This bolded statement is a lie. Pure and simple. No one reading this thread could beleive it.

The tell the freakin writer of GL to stop focusing on single characters Hal Jordan was created in 1956 and wasn't turned into Parallax until 1994, that is a little under 40 years. 40 years where he was the star of his own book. Not just the star of his own, but also the star of the groundbreaking Green Lantern/Green Arrow. 12 years before we saw another human GL, and another 3 before Jon. Kilowag is an 80s character, as are most of the famous aliens. If anyone has next crack at a Green Lantern star it is Kyle Rayner, who ran for about 10 years as the premeir GL. If you want another, maybe Jon who ran on a cartoon most prominently called JLU. 40 years he was GL. On a Wizard Poll the voting for favorite GL went 50% Hal, 48% Kyle, 2% other. Yeah those top 5 are really the stars . That is why everyone on the poll voted 5 ways.

All GL characters are come and go characters, including Hal. The five human lanterns are stars, have all starred, will all star again and should do so. The same cannot be said for Nightbeat, Kup, Galvatron, Xaaron, Powermaster Prime and Fortmax. Your comparison is uneven and therefore worthless. Thank you for sharing your personal experience though, it helps us know you better.

Actually Fortress Maximus was not only a focal character he was the LEADER OF THE AUTOBOTS FOR OVER HALF THE 80 COMICS as his headmaster head was SPIKE THE MAIN HUMAN CHARACTER, Nightbeat was a focal character for a 1/4 of the run, Galvatron was the main villian for the last 16 issues, and Powermaster Prime and Xaaron were AUTOBOT LEADERS. Kup was a main character EVERY EPISODE FROM THE MOVIE ONWARDS, so great comparison actually.

Imaginary problem--

Matrix (and who knows how many other Sci-Fi movies) didn't bore and established multiple starring characters, with one central, even though everyone had the same powers. GL can do the same.

Matrix characters did not have powers, unless you consider being human a power. Neo was the only character to develop powers in the series.

This is answered by the last concern I brought up in my post. Also, note theres a reason why X1 didn't just use Wolverine.

Right but he by far dominated all three films, and the strength of X-Men comes on screen because each character is not carbon copy the same powers and therefore already are interesting prior to any character development.

So is the corps featured early or is it saved til later? Both Hal and Kyle's origins involve heavy use of the GL Mythos.

Not when Hal was created. And as for Kyle, well all the GLs were dead he was the last.

But space is what set the book apart in a superhero-glutted comic book market and it's what will set it apart with foolishness like "Super Ex Girlfriend" and "Who Wants to Be a Superhero" going around. People care about well written characters, period, whether they be in space, on earth, in the future or in the past. And finally, Parallax is a big yellow bug, we don't need to establish Coast City nearly as much as we need to establish Hal's fearlessness.

Actually we do. Coast City is intergral to why Hal becomes Parallax, when it is destroyed. Coast City has to be far more intergral to the plot since audiences will have to sympathize with Hal Jordan when it is destroyed. If Coast City is destroyed and it is just "some city" in the plot the audience will fail to "care" about it.

Matrix. Star Wars. Star Trek. Same powers, same technology, different characters, one or two (maybe three) central characters that you really care about, whom the movie is about. My eleven-word idea does not include the dialogue taht makes you genuinely look up to Hal, or the scene placement and scale that makes you fell just as overwhelmed as John Stewart. But it's all there.

Actually Star Wars only had one Jedi to begin with: Luke, so it is an excellent example. Vader was a Jedi as well however the real battle with him came in Space against Luke. Luke was the focus and there were never a thousand other Jedi in the plot. It took them 4 films before we saw a Jedi pressence similar to the CORP.

Hal Jordan. John Stewart. Sinestro. Manhunters. Sci Fi. For teh win.

So when are you going to get around to my questions, ShadowBoxing? Busy?

Nope, too many characters for film one. One villian, one hero or else you fall flat on your ass.

 

[dnno1]

Dude... why did you have to remind me of that!? Urgh... now I hate the suit again.

But seriously, I really think a GL franchise should take a Sci-Fi angle (dnno1's fault). The ability to keep a budget down, the ability to draw on a whole new crop of fans (The Sci-Fi crew), and basically, capitalize on what set the GL franchise apart in the first place. Yep that right, Hal Jordan and the Corps were created for the explicit purpose of pumping Sci-Fi into a sagging genre. I think it worked... I think it should happen again.

Not to mention that the GL mythos has some REALLY cool aliens. Rot Lop Fan. Kilowogg. Mogo. These are brilliant creations that need to be shown off, not marginalized for the sake of Batman-style "realism."

And don't forget Jack T. Chance (I love his oath). I am glad that you agree with my point of view.