Your Thoughts on Ending being Possibly Changed (The Squid)

[the_tortel]

do you guys want me to spoil it?

luke buddy, I just had a brainstorm!
how bout you put it in spoiler tags?!

 

[luke1234]

Spoiler

Okay well in hayters script, at the ending veidt and nite owl have a long fist fight and at the end of it nite owl throws a batarang thingy from his belt, veidt dodges it with the owlarang flying into the darkness

then Dan whips off his mask and says

"Do you know what the best thing about an owl is?"

the owlarang comes back from the darkness

"...you never see them coming"

then veidt gets nailed by the thing in his chest and ends up dying.

 

[luke1234]

Spoiler

bottom line is both screenwriters tse and hayter in both of their scipts killed veidt which is completely different from the novel. I dont know how i feel about it. I dont think i like it

 

[the_tortel]

Spoiler

bottom line is both screenwriters tse and hayter in both of their scipts killed veidt which is completely different from the novel. I dont know how i feel about it. I dont think i like it

Spoiler

kevin smith said all the characters had the same fate as in the novel

they could definitely have changed that for the actually movie

 

[luke1234]

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kevin smith said all the characters had the same fate as in the novel

they could definitely have changed that for the actually movie

Spoiler

yeah definitly im just saying as for the scripts go, it seems that thats what happens, but snyder coulda defintily stepped in and rewritten that part.

 

[the_tortel]

Spoiler

yeah definitly im just saying as for the scripts go, it seems that thats what happens, but snyder coulda defintily stepped in and rewritten that part.

[spoilers]god knows I hope he did, he seems to care about it enough, you never know though

here's hopin'... come march we'll know for sure

 

[Armored Avenger]

Snyder has confirmed that

Spoiler

Veidt survives

 

[I Am The Knight]

Spoiler

Okay well in hayters script, at the ending veidt and nite owl have a long fist fight and at the end of it nite owl throws a batarang thingy from his belt, veidt dodges it with the owlarang flying into the darkness

then Dan whips off his mask and says

"Do you know what the best thing about an owl is?"

the owlarang comes back from the darkness

"...you never see them coming"

then veidt gets nailed by the thing in his chest and ends up dying.

LOL, that's just a great..."Hero" moment. Hahaha.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

Spoiler

Okay well in hayters script, at the ending veidt and nite owl have a long fist fight and at the end of it nite owl throws a batarang thingy from his belt, veidt dodges it with the owlarang flying into the darkness

then Dan whips off his mask and says

"Do you know what the best thing about an owl is?"

the owlarang comes back from the darkness

"...you never see them coming"

then veidt gets nailed by the thing in his chest and ends up dying.

gosh that sounds corny...

 

[hatebox]

Stupid question by someone who can't be bothered to research:

what is the new ending?

EDIT:


SPOILER:

never mind. God< I can't believe Veidt dies, that was precisely what made Watchmen great: the concept of good and bad was blurred and in this case the 'bad' guy sort of won.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Stupid question by someone who can't be bothered to research:

what is the new ending?

EDIT:


SPOILER:

never mind. God< I can't believe Veidt dies, that was precisely what made Watchmen great: the concept of good and bad was blurred and in this case the 'bad' guy sort of won.

Veidt

Spoiler

Lives

 

[Mercurius]

Stupid question by someone who can't be bothered to research:

what is the new ending?

EDIT:


SPOILER:

never mind. God< I can't believe Veidt dies, that was precisely what made Watchmen great: the concept of good and bad was blurred and in this case the 'bad' guy sort of won.

The bad guy didn't win. It's a whole new concept of punishment:

knowing that Veidt, in his twisted egotrip, thought he was doing a small bad for a greater good, Manhattan leaves him (and Earth) with the biggest of doubts.

It will bug him forever. Or at least till a dumb redhead fellow finds a certain notebook.

 

[Cinemaman]

Even though the original ending would look groundbreaking on the big screen, I must admit I feel fine with Snyder's version.

And in addition, it's should never be kept as comic book on screen (huge mistake of Sin City), because it's still adaptation and should contain only the major ideas from the original source.

1. Look at Sin City. Was it really intersting to see what you have already read on screen without any changes?

2. Now look at The Prestige, for example. It was well-made with although totally changed, but yet fresh script, adding more interest to characters than what was written in the book.

I hope Watchmen will hold the balance between these two options. I don't want it to be either fully changed or 100% like the graphic novel.

 

[Mercurius]

Even though the original ending would look groundbreaking on the big screen, I must admit I feel fine with Snyder's version.

And in addition, it's should never be kept as comic book on screen (huge mistake of Sin City), because it's still adaptation and should contain only the major ideas from the original source.

1. Look at Sin City. Was it really intersting to see what you have already read on screen without any changes?

2. Now look at The Prestige, for example. It was well-made with although totally changed, but yet fresh script, adding more interest to characters than what was written in the book.

I hope Watchmen will hold the balance between these two options. I don't want it to be either fully changed or 100% like the graphic novel.

It can't go like that, and that's the tricky thing with Watchmen.

Of course, there's no hypotesis of being 100% like the GN.

But also, changing the ending is not smart.

It is not suprising that Watchmen is the ultimate challenge in terms of adaptation.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

1. Look at Sin City. Was it really intersting to see what you have already read on screen without any changes?

I'm so glad to see someone else saying this. I felt the same way about Sin City, being a huge fan of the comics.

I'm pretty open to what they have planned with Watchmen, but I'm just not a fan of Doctor Manhattan being a part of Veidt's plot. There needs to be something equivalent to the squid effect, without necessarily using the creature itself, but something alien (as in, seemingly unknown and foreign) in nature.

 

[Cinemaman]

It can't go like that, and that's the tricky thing with Watchmen.

Of course, there's no hypotesis of being 100% like the GN.

But also, changing the ending is not smart.

It is not suprising that Watchmen is the ultimate challenge in terms of adaptation.

I disagree, I think the ending can be changed successfuly, if it keeps the same significance to the whole idea.

What can't be changed is Doc's response to Ozzy's question.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Spoiler

Okay well in hayters script, at the ending veidt and nite owl have a long fist fight and at the end of it nite owl throws a batarang thingy from his belt, veidt dodges it with the owlarang flying into the darkness

then Dan whips off his mask and says

"Do you know what the best thing about an owl is?"

the owlarang comes back from the darkness

"...you never see them coming"

then veidt gets nailed by the thing in his chest and ends up dying.

oh, thats nothing new. but snyder has confirmed veidt's fate is the same as the book. so nothing to worry about there.

 

[Katsuro]

1. Look at Sin City. Was it really intersting to see what you have already read on screen without any changes?

I never read Sin City, so it was all new and interesting to me. Same goes for Watchmen. Sure, the tiny minority of people who read the book get a new, different ending, but what about the average person? I think they should get to see something as close to the original ending as possible. As long as the same themes are present, it should be okay. I'm open minded, but I dont want them changing crap like killing Veidt (which they're not. Snyder's confirmed he lives).

 

[luke1234]

Snyder has confirmed that

Spoiler

Veidt survives

thank god

 

[Saint]

I haven't read anything about a supposedly altered ending except a few vague comments here about [blackout]a Manhattan frame up.[/blackout] My problem with that scenario is that [blackout]it seems like America would be blamed for the actions of Manhattan, thus causing the plan to fail in it's goal of uniting every against an external threat[/blackout]. But, like I said, I don't know much about this scenario, so maybe my comments aren't applicable.

 

[CrimsonMist]

I'm so glad to see someone else saying this. I felt the same way about Sin City, being a huge fan of the comics.

I'm pretty open to what they have planned with Watchmen, but I'm just not a fan of Doctor Manhattan being a part of Veidt's plot. There needs to be something equivalent to the squid effect, without necessarily using the creature itself, but something alien (as in, seemingly unknown and foreign) in nature.

The framing of Manhattan IS equivalent to the squid. He's not unknown and foreign, but the effect is EXACTLY the same. Manhattan isn't directly part of Viedt's plot. Viedt just cloned his powers and used the Tachyon things to prevent Manhattan from knowing. It forces America and Russia to stop their stupid crap. It throws the heroes into a moral dilemma. It forces Manhattan to leave, but doesn't really bother him, as he planned on leaving anyway. He'll still tell Viedt that "nothing ever ends". It will still cause doubt. Russia and America will stop immediately. Rorschach's journal will destroy that.

Manhattan is a GOD. If a major city was destroyed by a GOD who told you to quit the **** or else, would you listen? Probably. Viedt's plan gives the illusion that Manhattan has gone rogue.

I've said it numerous times. This plan works. Viedt clones the powers of a God to save the world. But he can't view the world LIKE a God to see the fact that it ultimately won't do any good.

and that, once again, is an extension of Moore's work on Miracleman.

i'm not specifically aiming this at you, Lobster Charlie, but i don't get some of the reactions to this. Some are acting like this is the end of the world. The genius of Viedt's plan in this ending is the fact that he fools EVERYONE. Impersonate a God and everyone will stop what they're doing. He pulls one over on everybody. And they buy into it.

So again, how does this plan not work? Because it's not alien and unknown? I'm disappointed by lack of the squid ending, but i'm happy they decided to borrow elements from another work of Alan Moore. I'm also happy that this ending is one of possibly several endings. So we'll all find out soon enough.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

It's not that I don't think using the Doctor Manhattan ending would work, I just don't personally prefer it. I always liked the imagery of this giant, grotesque, organic thing melded into the city with bodies littered everywhere.

 

[the_tortel]

Even though the original ending would look groundbreaking on the big screen, I must admit I feel fine with Snyder's version.

And in addition, it's should never be kept as comic book on screen (huge mistake of Sin City), because it's still adaptation and should contain only the major ideas from the original source.

1. Look at Sin City. Was it really intersting to see what you have already read on screen without any changes?

2. Now look at The Prestige, for example. It was well-made with although totally changed, but yet fresh script, adding more interest to characters than what was written in the book.

I hope Watchmen will hold the balance between these two options. I don't want it to be either fully changed or 100% like the graphic novel.

couldn't agree more

 

[luke1234]

couldn't agree more

same, v for vendetta did that and it definitely worked, now as for League of Extrodinary Gentlemen, one of the worst films ever made

 

[the_tortel]

same, v for vendetta did that and it definitely worked, now as for League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, one of the worst films ever made

yeah! VFV is one of my favorite movies that I don't own!! I wanna read the GN, but my cousin said the movie was actually better, haha, idk, he said it made the girl, eve or whatever her name is, he said it made her look stupid or something haha

that's him talk idk I need to read it

the only thing entertaining about the league of extraordinary GM is sean connery's hairpiece