Age of Ultron Your worries/concerns with Age of Ultron

[StarLord]

''The Wolverine of the MCU'' is a little exaggerated.

He's had three solo movies and appeared in The Avengers with everyone else. It's not like he's popping up in every other character's solo too. (CA:Civil War doesn't count yet )

 

[BoredGuy]

Fox hasn't had any other solos though

Wolvie had two solos, 4 team films, and one cameo

IM has had 3 solos, his 2nd and 3rd team films on the way, and one cameo

the big difference is the balance in both the solo and team films, and the fact that other characters actually get things to do in Marvel films as opposed to just the Xavier/Magneto/Logan/Mystique quartet.
Hell, Logan's only useful supporting character in either of his films was Yukio

 

[Khonshu]

I worry about the "been there, done that" effect. With a film like this and the investment dollars at stake, sometimes it's easy to go for the safe play of re-doing the moments that made the previous film a success. For instance, the team shot from A1 looks like it might be repeated for A2, with Scarlet Witch added. I'd rather have new stuff that takes risks - like Ultron with teeth - than recycled stuff.

My hope is for something like Raimi's Spider-Man 2 or CA:TWS instead of Marvel's Iron Man 2 or Thor Dark World.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

I think we're safe from it being IM2 aka Iron Man: The Avengers Foreshadowing Years

 

[MbJ]

I'm fine with Iron Man. He's the most popular character in the franchise and was before the first Avengers film came out. Unlike the Wolverine situation there's still movies for most of the other Avengers so it's not like he's getting too much focus in the Avengers films while nobody else gets any.

My biggest concern is Captain America. His fight scenes and action beats were easily the weakest part of the first Avengers film and especially after the Russos got his fight scenes down perfectly in Winter Soldier, I hope he isn't a letdown here.

 

[speno94]

Any new worrys/concerns after watching the 2nd trailer?

 

[Steyin]

Any new worrys/concerns after watching the 2nd trailer?

I found it very off putting for some reason. Maybe that's not the right phrase/best way to describe it, but I wasn't impressed. I found the first trailer slightly better, and that one didn't really do it for me either. Perhaps its the darker tone, perhaps the story, I'm not positive but I do know that I'm not feeling this film just yet.

As for concerns, I just want it to be as entertaining and enjoyable as the first. This feels like it could be a BB/TDK situation for me; loved the first and too much deviation/not what I expected for the second. Too soon to tell of course, but we'll see.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Iron Man is one of my favorite characters, both in the comics and on screen, but he is really becoming the Wolverine of the MCU. Sometimes less is more.

Nonsense.

In the comics, before 2008, other than Civil War where they basically made him public enemy #1, Iron Man was a 2nd-3rd tier character and treated that way. He was never a major player in any major comic cross-over, Cap, Spidey and Wolverine were always front and center in every major event. He was also left out in cross over events with other companies like being left out of the DC vs Marvel event back in the mid 90s, and solo crossovers with rival competitors, how many times has Captain America and Spider-Man teamed up with Batman and/or Superman?

He was never on screen before 2008; Hulk had the tv show, two made for tv movies and major motion picture ('03), Captain America had the tv serial, the two made for tv movies and 1991 movie, and Thor guest starred in one of the Hulk's tv movie. What did Iron Man have? Nothing, zero, zip, zilch, nada! All he's ever had on screen was a short lived animated series, he's never been brought to live action.

So this is all make up, make up for him being left out of everything and finally getting the recognition he deserves and becoming a house hold name.

And I have no problem with it!

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Admittedly your name is Iron Stark, you could be a bit bias

People are always going to have their own opinions on who is most important who is getting too much focus, and who isn't getting enough.

The thing is it shouldn't take away from the film as a whole, unless you truly only like one character in the franchise.

For example my favorite X-men is Gambit, and obviously that hasn't gone well in the films, however that doesn't stop me loving X1, X2 and DoFP

 

[Silvermoth]

My only concern is that sometimes whedon can be a bit too trigger happy with his people of colour actors so I hope whoever that Dora milaje was she doesn't immediately get killed off by Klaw or ultron straight away (or preferably by anyone at all)

 

[ctsketch]

Iron's Stark's avy is one of my favorite shots from the trailer

 

[Doc Samson]

I found it very off putting for some reason. Maybe that's not the right phrase/best way to describe it, but I wasn't impressed. I found the first trailer slightly better, and that one didn't really do it for me either. Perhaps its the darker tone, perhaps the story, I'm not positive but I do know that I'm not feeling this film just yet.

I got the same vibe, and can't quite put my finger on it. I'm still excited, I actually think being underwhelmed by the trailers is a good thing on one hand, hopefully there's still a lot we haven't seen. At the same time though it just doesn't feel as big or epic as it should be.

Nonsense.

In the comics, before 2008, other than Civil War where they basically made him public enemy #1, Iron Man was a 2nd-3rd tier character and treated that way. He was never a major player in any major comic cross-over, Cap, Spidey and Wolverine were always front and center in every major event. He was also left out in cross over events with other companies like being left out of the DC vs Marvel event back in the mid 90s, and solo crossovers with rival competitors, how many times has Captain America and Spider-Man teamed up with Batman and/or Superman?

He was never on screen before 2008; Hulk had the tv show, two made for tv movies and major motion picture ('03), Captain America had the tv serial, the two made for tv movies and 1991 movie, and Thor guest starred in one of the Hulk's tv movie. What did Iron Man have? Nothing, zero, zip, zilch, nada! All he's ever had on screen was a short lived animated series, he's never been brought to live action.

So this is all make up, make up for him being left out of everything and finally getting the recognition he deserves and becoming a house hold name.

And I have no problem with it!

I agree with what you're saying about IM in the comics, although to say he's not the MCU version of Wolverine is a stretch, he's exactly that.

And IMO, it makes sense. The main difference is Wolverine's always been the most popular mutant, while RDJ is pretty much the sole reason the MCU even exists, he laid the foundation and is the most established and accomplished actor. He turned IM into a household name, so it's all well deserved.

But I can also see where some people might start to have an issue. There's really no reason they couldn't have just included Pym (and forgot the Ant-man movie altogether, which could be a trainwreck) and left him as the creator of Ultron. Just like there was no need to have Wolverine be the time traveling mutant instead of Kitty in DoFP, especially since Ellen Page isn't a nobody.

Also, just like Wolverine, at times Stark is portrayed as the de facto leader of the Avengers. It's a small nitpick, but I didn't like the fact that Stark had to tell Captain America to "call it" in order for him to lay out the strategy in the first film. It's ******* Captain America, he shouldn't need any cues from IM to speak or give the battle strategy. Likewise, the way Cyclops has been used (or not) in pretty much every X-men film he's appeared in is a slap in the face to everything his character is supposed to be. Anyone unfamiliar with the comics probably wouldn't know he's been one of the main leaders the team's ever had.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I don't have any worries.

 

[speno94]

Another concern I thought about is that there is speculation that the opening scene is the Avengers taking down Baron Von Strucker's HYDRA base then the party scene and while I think it will be cool to see the Avengers working as a team in an opening 'James Bond-esque' action scene, I hope that is not the case.

I'd want that scene maybe 15 minutes into the film. I'd at least like SOME explanation between the events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron. I would maybe some background on why/how The Avengers came back so quickly.

I don't think that opening action scene would happen just moments after that TWS post credits scene. Remember, Cap and Falcon had headed off to find Bucky, and Black Widow had headed off to establish a new cover identity. And we're supposed to believe that just a few days later they completely changed directions and joined up with the Avengers again?

I find it hard to believe that the film would open with the Avengers already assembled, without an explanation as to what happened since we saw them part ways and everything that's happened in their individual films. And for that matter, where did they get the intel for Strucker's location and what he has? There's no SHIELD anymore.

 

[BigThor]

The film is NOT going to start without explained how The Avengers reassembled.

You can bank on it.

 

[darthcoolness3]

1. too much character development, and not enough action
2. Ultron and his army will be defeated easily like Loki and his Chitauri army
3. not enough movie running time, and everything gets rushed

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Another concern I thought about is that there is speculation that the opening scene is the Avengers taking down Baron Von Strucker's HYDRA base then the party scene and while I think it will be cool to see the Avengers working as a team in an opening 'James Bond-esque' action scene, I hope that is not the case.

I'd want that scene maybe 15 minutes into the film. I'd at least like SOME explanation between the events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron. I would maybe some background on why/how The Avengers came back so quickly.

I don't think that opening action scene would happen just moments after that TWS post credits scene. Remember, Cap and Falcon had headed off to find Bucky, and Black Widow had headed off to establish a new cover identity. And we're supposed to believe that just a few days later they completely changed directions and joined up with the Avengers again?

I find it hard to believe that the film would open with the Avengers already assembled, without an explanation as to what happened since we saw them part ways and everything that's happened in their individual films. And for that matter, where did they get the intel for Strucker's location and what he has? There's no SHIELD anymore.

They'll have the opening scene probably, and then after, during the party there will be some exposition as to how.why they reformed.

 

[Norek]

For instance, the team shot from A1 looks like it might be repeated for A2, with Scarlet Witch added. I'd rather have new stuff that takes risks - like Ultron with teeth - than recycled stuff.

I'd argue that these both identical shots are being used in a different context though. For the first one, it was the team assembling for the first time on the battlefield, they just had to do it, even just for the coolness of it ; in the AoU one, it looks like all of them are guarding some sort of device, and it's crucial that they manage to keep it away from the enemy's hands. Which is pretty cool nonetheless, but it serves a purpose in the context of the story (presumably), not just the cool visuals.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

I'm pretty concerned that von Strucker is a 5 minute baddie and once he's done, that's HYDRA dealt with

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

While I don't have that many worries, my main gripe would be mmm damn Hoy-small-fry, your avvie is nice...

what was i about to say? oh yeah....my main gripe would be Iron man/stark hogging all the screen time and not having enough room for other characters to shine.

 

[Norek]

There's really no reason they couldn't have just included Pym (and forgot the Ant-man movie altogether, which could be a trainwreck) and left him as the creator of Ultron.

On the contrary, I think making Stark the creator of Ultron in the MCU and not Pym is one of the best decisions they could've ever made. It is the culmination of several major plot details laid down from previous movies and the pay-off is much better and bigger than just to include a character unknown to the audience for the sake of keeping up with the villain's comic origins.

When I first saw Iron Man 3, I was really dissatisfied with it, and particularly the ending; I though "Okay, now it feels like IM he doesn't even want to do this anymore. He doesn't even need to be in the suit, so why doesn't he just create a bunch of armors like he did in this movie, have JARVIS take control of them like he did, and just take a break on the couch with all the Avengers while an army of robots just to their work for them? Man, they really ****ed this up..."

It's something I mentioned on these forums way back when IM3 was released, you can look me up. To my surprise, when I saw the premise and the trailers for this movie, it seemed like they're heading exactly in this direction. Tony Stark wants to make an AI-controlled robots to take over their duties as peace-keepers. Basically exactly what I was wondering when I saw IM3 and thought that was a bad idea - because here they're gonna show us EXACTLY how bad it is. Which I think is ****ing awesome, and just a natural progression over previous movies.

Not only that, but Ultron will retain the interesting connection he has with his creator, which in these movies is someone the audiences already know, thus making the emotional impact much stronger, kinda like how Thor had this connection with the villain of the first Avengers movie. Also, it will culminate in JARVIS basically transcending into the Vision - something I think is ****ing brilliant, and since it involves characters that have been around since the first ever MCU movie (Stark and JARVIS), it makes for a much more satisfying payoff, and adds to the complexity of the "creator-creation" motif, something that's crucial for the character of Ultron.

Fans are acting like it's the worst thing in the world that maybe Hank Pym is not the the creator of Ultron, but I'd rather see a fresh and new take on the character's origin that is much more in tune with previous movies in the universe and a much more satisfying culmination, than have something just for the sake of being faithful to the comic books. Maybe it's Marvel's fault that they didn't introduce Ant-Man earlier, but given how the situation unfolded I think they handled it perfectly by changing this aspect of the story into something that's much better established at this point and makes perfect sense.

 

[Norek]

Just like there was no need to have Wolverine be the time traveling mutant instead of Kitty in DoFP, especially since Ellen Page isn't a nobody.

Old Kitty in the DOFP comics went back to her younger self's body. Obviously something that wouldn't make sense in the X-Men cinematic universe the way it is. Not to say these movies aren't filled with a ****load of retcons, but here, not only they needed to have Wolverine be the time traveler, it was the most logical and well-played decision given the alternative. It mirrored Wolverine's relationship with Charles and Erik, already established in previous movies, so once again it gives a bit of depth and develops something already established. To have Kitty be the time traveler would be just to satisfy the most hardcore X-Men fans and barely much more than that.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

^in regards to your no pym message

 

[wampa1]

I hope that when Ultron is defeated all the drones don't magically drop down dead

 

[Ghostcrow13]

It would make sense in this case would it not though, Ultron controls all the drones if his programme is destroyed the drones can't work.

I too hope it doesn't happen, and I hope all the drones are destroyed before a final battle with big boss man, but it makes sense