Age of Ultron Your worries/concerns with Age of Ultron

[Jaxon]

It's a COMIC BOOK movie dude... and in the other thread you said you hate villains that are mutants or use cgi and you want them to be normal humans. Do you even like the genre?

Love the genre, but in translation to the big screen I like the sense of tension and that's best served in real world grounding as much as is legitimate in a movie and keep the intent of the source material.

Mutant villains are just boring - had an accident turned into a mutant at the same time someone else had an accident and turned into a superhero.

I like the Lex V Superman approach where you have power hungry power trying to manipulate or defeat superior humans, that takes ballsy writing to pull it off.

I love Ultron in the avengers and he'll translate great on screen, cartoonish superspeed and comicy robot like Vision might be tension breakers for me.

 

[Spitfire]

My big worry now is that by the time AoU releases, the next slate of film casting announcements will have killed any and all suspense. Just knowing BW is in the next movie is such a downer, it removes a lot of questions

Could this be an attepmpt to misdrect fans by Marvel? Remember the Russos stated a civil war movie was 'highly unlikely' just a few weeks before that movie was announced. Are they above lying to fans to keep their secrets?

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Could this be an attepmpt to misdrect fans by Marvel? Remember the Russos stated a civil war movie was 'highly unlikely' just a few weeks before that movie was announced. Are they above lying to fans to keep their secrets?

Perhaps, but the announcement of [BLACKOUT]Scarlett[/BLACKOUT] returning surely prevents other studios casting [BLACKOUT]her[/BLACKOUT] in other films?

 

[Kirmit]

Currently my biggest concern is that they'll make Ultron Human, hence the 'Ultron, in the flesh' line in the trailer. I know it has happened in the comics but I'd hate it, Ultron hates humanity, why would he mould himself after them? This is also one of the reasons for my dislike of the design of Ultron, the moving mouth, the shape of the eyes, it's all too human for my tastes.

 

[warriorking]

I believe Thor won't have much screen time simply because he isn't realy part of the story. I mean Tony will have to deal with the creation of Ultron, Cap will argue with Tony about what they should do ( setting up Civil War ), BW will get her origin story and a relationship with Hulk who will still have anger issues and wants to find out how can he have sex becouse his girlfriend is played by Scarlet Johanson ( kidding) and I think Hawkeye will have the first encounter with the twins ( judging from the trailers ) and maybe he will convince them to join the avengers while rescuing civilians ( probably from Sokovia ) but anyway it seems like he has much more role then in the first one. Whedon usualy creats awesome villains so i bet Ultron will be one. So that leaves only Thor out.

I feel Thor will play a major role in AOU simply because He and Hulk are the only two on the team who can stand toe to toe with Ultron for any extended period of time..Thor more so due to his diversity of attack...
I look for Thor to put Ulton back on his heels and give him pause at least once during their engagement...

 

[Spitfire]

Perhaps, but the announcement of [BLACKOUT]Scarlett[/BLACKOUT] returning surely prevents other studios casting [BLACKOUT]her[/BLACKOUT] in other films?

I'm guessing that everyones schedule for 2015 is already in place so a 'lie' of this kind wouldn't impact on their work commitments.

Marvel have gone to great lengths to keep this movie's story secret (and have done pretty well) and to suddenly make this announcement is a bit strange. The Russos could be lying again, and we still haven't had any confirmation about Hawkeye appearing even though Renner joked about this in interviews.

But death isn't the only way to create drama and for all we know Widow gets critically injured and appears in civil war in a coma (and is never seen again!). Anything's possible.

 

[jonathancrane]

I hope this is not the final appearance of von Strucker. I seriously want to see him and Madame Hydra as villains in a future Cap film.

 

[Uskok]

I hope this is not the final appearance of von Strucker. I seriously want to see him and Madame Hydra as villains in a future Cap film.

Maybe he'll appear in Captain America: Civil War.

 

[Illegal Seafood]

I believe Thor won't have much screen time simply because he isn't realy part of the story. I mean Tony will have to deal with the creation of Ultron, Cap will argue with Tony about what they should do ( setting up Civil War ), BW will get her origin story and a relationship with Hulk who will still have anger issues and wants to find out how can he have sex becouse his girlfriend is played by Scarlet Johanson ( kidding) and I think Hawkeye will have the first encounter with the twins ( judging from the trailers ) and maybe he will convince them to join the avengers while rescuing civilians ( probably from Sokovia ) but anyway it seems like he has much more role then in the first one. Whedon usualy creats awesome villains so i bet Ultron will be one. So that leaves only Thor out.

Just found the site and really enjoy comics/films so this is my first post.

I actually think Thor is going to have a major role in this film (at least a larger role than in Avengers) Here's my theory:

We will see Thor during the initial Hydra base battle and the Avengers tower party. When he chokes Tony in the trailer he is the only Avenger in costume, meaning he's probably the one who takes out most of the Ultron bots and realizes Tony messed with stuff he shouldn't have.

After that and based on the October announcement clip of Tony and Steve chopping wood on the farm, it seems like Thor goes off on his own adventure in the middle of the film. My guess is that farm scene is after the Avengers tower sequence where Ultron escapes with the twins and the Avengers have to go into hiding. Most likely since Ultron is said to originate from Chitauri tech and coupled with the evidence that SW will use mind manipulation on the Avengers, Thor leaves Earth to search for answers. Hence why Tony asks Steve on the farm "Thor didn't say where he was going?" And then "we don't know what the Maximoff kid showed him" These visions can probably tie into a Ragnarok build-up and lead to the potential Loki scene.

In addition, it seems like from the second trailer Thor is in the same pool as the woman figure everyone is guessing about (possibly Hel) When Thor returns to Earth, he probably seeks out Erik Selvig for help, who probably teaches him about Vibranium, but it's too late and he joins the Avengers for the battle as seen in the trailer, before returning to Asgard for Thor 3.

I think his character will grow more in this one than any thor movie since the original. The character(s) I'm most concerned for Hawkeye and the Twins. I agree they have to be connected somehow in order to add their screen-times simultaneously. Everyone else seems to be averaged out well (though I wish we saw more of Cap in the trailers)

Anyway that's my thoughts let me know what you think.

 

[speno94]

How do you like Baron Strucker being sort of the 'James Bond style opening action scene villain'?

Would anyone had liked to see a different villain for the opening action scene seeing the Avengers work as a team?

 

[Keehar]

Same worry as the last one. With all the characters someone is going to get short changed screen time wise. Hawkeye got it last time.

 

[Chance Jackson]

I hope this is not the final appearance of von Strucker. I seriously want to see him and Madame Hydra as villains in a future Cap film.

Maybe he'll appear in Captain America: Civil War.

As far as the MCU is concerned isn't 2 back to back CA movies full of Hydra enough? Especially considering that Hydra is also being dealt with in both Avengers 2, and Agents of SHIELD and eventually in Agent Carter(probably)

 

[MbJ]

If I'm being honest there's about a dozen other villains I'd rather see in Civil War than more Baron von Strucker, Zemo being chief among them.

 

[Keehar]

I never even heard of Von Strucker until the movies showed him and I looked him up.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

My concerns are similar to many addressed before me:
1. Too much going on. I love depth and complexity and multiple plot threads leading into multiple climaxes and multiple sequels. But I do not like screentime snuffing in favor of Iron Man/Black Widow or Joss Whedon's other favorite characters. And ontop of Ultron/Vision and the Twins we have Loki, Heimdall, Strucker, Klaw... And maybe Mantis too now?

2. I'm afraid Joss will screw up Cap again. Winter Soldier proved Evans' Cap is so much stronger of a character than The Avengers made him out to be. Don't fail me JOSS! Dont fail Cap!

(similarly Thor and Hawkeye, but screentime would successfully remedy what went wrong with them in A1)

 

[Spitfire]

My concerns are similar to many addressed before me:
1. Too much going on. I love depth and complexity and multiple plot threads leading into multiple climaxes and multiple sequels. But I do not like screentime snuffing in favor of Iron Man/Black Widow or Joss Whedon's other favorite characters. And ontop of Ultron/Vision and the Twins we have Loki, Heimdall, Strucker, Klaw... And maybe Mantis too now?

2. I'm afraid Joss will screw up Cap again. Winter Soldier proved Evans' Cap is so much stronger of a character than The Avengers made him out to be. Don't fail me JOSS! Dont fail Cap!

(similarly Thor and Hawkeye, but screentime would successfully remedy what went wrong with them in A1)

There is a lot happening in the film and I really hope that a balance can be found for all characters. I also hope that the trailers focus on certain characters isn't reflected in the movie (e.g. Widow in the second trailer).

But it's not just about screentime. Hawkeye got a bad deal in both the number of minutes he appeared on screen and how he was portrayed. He was the only team member who got defeated in his fight with another Avenger, and his fall through the window showed him rolling in pain while Widow did a similar move and walked away uninjured.

As for Cap, I hope we get to see the guy who can jump from a plane minus a parachute without suffering any harm. Cap is so much more than his fighting style, and these characteristics weren't shown well in Avengers.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I'll add another one, apparently someone from Visual effects said there is up to 3-4 times more of Ultron Drones than there were Chitauri.

So a new concern I guess is this film is going to be amazing for 2/3 of the film, with a complicated villain and awesome interactions between the team, and the final 1/3 is just a mass CGI battle.

Don't get me wrong I love big battles and obviously can't wait to see everyone kick ass, but let's say for an hour and a half, you've watched this struggle and tension between the characters you've seen Ultron tear the team apart psychologically and then suddenly that all ends and it's just drone exploding after drone exploding for 40 minutes.

I hope that a lot of the drones get wiped out by Thor in one big lightning strike so as to cut numbers quickly. I know most people don't want Phantom Menace drop after Ultron gets killed.

 

[yllum]

biggest problem: don't screw up cap am again...pls pls pls

I want the badass cap from tws

 

[TalismanRing]

I'll add another one, apparently someone from Visual effects said there is up to 3-4 times more of Ultron Drones than there were Chitauri.

So a new concern I guess is this film is going to be amazing for 2/3 of the film, with a complicated villain and awesome interactions between the team, and the final 1/3 is just a mass CGI battle.

Don't get me wrong I love big battles and obviously can't wait to see everyone kick ass, but let's say for an hour and a half, you've watched this struggle and tension between the characters you've seen Ultron tear the team apart psychologically and then suddenly that all ends and it's just drone exploding after drone exploding for 40 minutes.

I hope that a lot of the drones get wiped out by Thor in one big lightning strike so as to cut numbers quickly. I know most people don't want Phantom Menace drop after Ultron gets killed.

We saw the concept art and the trailer that there are more, they're almost as dense as a swarm and unless they're all made of vibranium there should have to be more in order to physically overwhelm the Avengers.

Since Joss didn't like the end of the Avengers where the Chitauri all fell over when the plug was pulled I wouldn't expect anything similar to end AOU so there probbaly will be a fight. But there's been no indication though of when they appear in the film or are defeated.

 

[speno94]

Since Joss didn't like the end of the Avengers where the Chitauri all fell over when the plug was pulled I wouldn't expect anything similar to end AOU so there probbaly will be a fight.

When did Joss say he didn't like the end of Avengers with the Chitauri.

 

[kaijunexus]

When did Joss say he didn't like the end of Avengers with the Chitauri.

Stealing the explanation from another site...

During the Avengers director commentary, Joss Whedon touches on this (and how he hated to take this shortcut!). He refers to it as being a sort of queen bee and drones situation. When the proverbial queen on the other side of the portal dies, all the minions lose all guidance and will to live, so they all just drop dead.

Mr. Whedon states they took this route so as to allow the fight to wrap up then and there. Otherwise they'd have to have this triumphant strike happen, the portal would close, and then the Avengers would have to spend hours hunting down all the Chitauri in New York City. That would rob the good guys of their victorious moment.

 

[speno94]

^Thanks, that's really interesting. After reading that, I believe that Whedon won't make the same mistakes with the final battle in AOU. Even though there will be many Ultron Bots, I think he will try to make it different.

 

[walltron]

I'll add another one, apparently someone from Visual effects said there is up to 3-4 times more of Ultron Drones than there were Chitauri.

That's interesting, crazy, and worrisome all at once. Where did you hear that??

 

[kaijunexus]

^Thanks, that's really interesting. After reading that, I believe that Whedon won't make the same mistakes with the final battle in AOU. Even though there will be many Ultron Bots, I think he will try to make it different.

I'd argue that they absolutely HAVE to make it different.

If they defeat Ultron and all the drones just drop dead all around them, everyone is going to think the ending of this film is a tremendous joke.

 

[Mjölnir]

I'd argue that they absolutely HAVE to make it different.

If they defeat Ultron and all the drones just drop dead all around them, everyone is going to think the ending of this film is a tremendous joke.

Yeah, they have to make it differently, so when the Avengers defeat all the drones then Ultron himself drops dead.