Youth and Laziness

[ComicChick]

It just seems very artificial to me. Do these various things, some of which are arbitrary, and in return when you ask for stuff you'll get it. There's no real reward from the actions themselves. It sounds like a system designed to impart onto kids values that I think can be learned and are best learned naturally, without a system. Not to say that it never works, society wouldn't function if that were the case, but I don't see the inherent value. I think kids would get a lot more out of being given more freedom. My experience has always been that personal freedom yields the greatest understanding of personal responsibility, because when you're truly free, you have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

i understand that but how many kids really have the mental capacity, maturity, and all that to deal with full personal freedom? not many. and kids don't have to really deal with the consequences of their actions in some cases, the parents do. parents are responsible for you until you reach a certain age.

i always had freedom, but i also had responsibilities too. a think a good balance of both is good

 

[JAK®]

I don't think people who obsess over 80's cartoons realize those shows weren't that good or well made, but that what made that era awesome was the expansiveness of the action figure market back then, and the way those franchises were depicted. Shows like He-Man, Transformers or G.I. Joe always had these badass posters where everything was drawn realistic and not at all like the show. You wanted to submerge yourself in the world of these shows, which you might consider a bad thing since they were essentially commercials, but it actually wasn't. All it did was spark your imagination, drive a bit of your playtime and teach you fundamentals of capitalism.. unless you never grew out of it and ended up weird, which didn't happen to most.

Today there are good cartoons but huge lines of action figures/playsets to collect aren't really popular and shows run on shorter seasons, with more concise stories usually. There is no reason someone not from the 80's should revisit Transformers or Thundercats, but if you weren't there you really don't know what it was like.

People obsessed over 80's shows are just being nostalgic, but it was a great, unique era.

You see, I could say all of those things about the 90s. I don't think any of that has changed, it's just that we live in an adult world so we don't get exposed to it anymore.

There's nothing wrong with having fond memories of your childhood shows. But when people start acting elitist, feeling 'sorry' for future generations, criticising new cartoons using standards that never existed, all based on a warped, biased memory of their childhood, it becomes a problem.

It's no better than old people telling us how far they had to walk to school.

 

[The Question]

i understand that but how many kids really have the mental capacity, maturity, and all that to deal with full personal freedom? not many. and kids don't have to really deal with the consequences of their actions in some cases, the parents do. parents are responsible for you until you reach a certain age.

I've usually found that the best way to obtain the necessary emotional maturity to have personal freedom is by having personal freedom and adjusting to the ups and downs that come with it. They'll stumble, they'll make mistakes and screw themselves over and piss people off, but then they learn from those mistakes, and get a real appreciation for what responsibility is. The super structured environments we put kids into doesn't prepare them for that, if anything it slows down development for a lot of kids, making it so they don't have to deal with the world and with other people in a serious way until long after it would have been good for them to have started.

And yes, you are right, kids don't deal with the consequences of their actions in some cases. But they should.

i always had freedom, but i also had responsibilities too. a think a good balance of both is good

Again, it seems to me that real responsibility is something that is directly tied to feeedom. It's not something that has to be balanced against it.

 

[E-Man]

You see, I could say all of those things about the 90s. I don't think any of that has changed, it's just that we live in an adult world so we don't get exposed to it anymore.

There's nothing wrong with having fond memories of your childhood shows. But when people start acting elitist, feeling 'sorry' for future generations, criticising new cartoons using standards that never existed, all based on a warped, biased memory of their childhood, it becomes a problem.

It's no better than old people telling us how far they had to walk to school.

That's how it goes though. In every generation since the beginning of time youth has always been criticized as being the generation to ruin everything. People just hear it more now because anybody can have a voice due to technological gains in communication.

With cartoons it's funny to me because people talk about how they're going to raise their kids on the "real" cartoons they grew up on without realizing that the dated animation is going to be a real tun off.