Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League - Part 8

[Aurakles]

My guess is they were going to use Anti-Life in a similar way to Mr Miracle in Seven Soldiers.
It makes you see only the worst in the world, blinds you to everything good and corrupts your mind. Exposure to it heightens any doubts or fears that linger inside until they overwhelm you.

Hitting Superman with a train wouldn't normally kill him, but if he's weakened by kryptonite it could.
In the same way, the death of Lois wouldn't normally turn him into a tyrant, but if he's under the influence of Anti-Life it could.

 

[Micromind]

I think initially, Lois was the "Key" to bring Superman back to normal after his resurrection, did Superman became susceptible to Anti-Life equation because she died ? Maybe, I think Snyder would have left that vague.

 

[2kt09]

I think initially, Lois was the "Key" to bring Superman back to normal after his resurrection, did Superman became susceptible to Anti-Life equation because she died ? Maybe, I think Snyder would have left that vague.

Avenue 1: Lois gets killed soon after he's resurrected, while she's just about to get through to him
Avenue 2: Lois gets killed during the Steppenwolf beatdown, but that'd have to be after Supes takes care of him with ease

 

[Limonade]

I think cult movies are “dead” because the movie viewing experience has changed. The internet and social media has pretty much allowed for the instant desimination of data, thought and opinions. No more, have you watched Shawshank Redemption? Which BvS doesn’t fit that mold as BvS at the time was a top 4 grossing of the genre?

The whole, “people will look differently” doesn’t work when you have around 8 CBMs released a year that are embraced by the majority of the audiences and critics, remakes/revised takes on characters and in terms of the cinematic universes, other characters that do better. And personally, I think it’s just something fans bring up especially, since I’ve been hearing it since 2016 about BvS as a way to answer the divisiveness of it’s reception.

Thats an over generalization.
Because while Shawshank was based on a Stephen King book... it was still well made and was nominated for multiple awards.

So far the only awards BvS won was 4 razzies.

 

[SgtRob]

Did Snyder really say his film took moviegoers' virginity??
Hahaha...Zack Snyder: perpetual adolescent

 

[Consona]

So far the only awards BvS won was 4 razzies.

Yea, I think this sums it all up. The best CB film gets razzies while average snore-fests get 90+ on rotten and make over $1b. nuff said

 

[_Superman_]

What people also need to keep in mind though is this was Snyder's original plan for Justice League; however what he shot is a completely different story because most of that doesn't happen at all due to the page one rewrite. In fact the only things shot for Snyder's original movie is that post credit scene he talks about with Knightmare Batman and Cyborg.

 

[Erzengel]

Thats an over generalization.
Because while Shawshank was based on a Stephen King book... it was still well made and was nominated for multiple awards.

So far the only awards BvS won was 4 razzies.

Shawshank while a King novel never lit up the box office. It found it’s voice on home video. Now it’s a lot of people’s favorites. I’m just giving an example of people discovering it after the fact. Further, Shawshank came out before social media.

BvS made a good amount of money and the way some people talk about “coming back to it” the closest analogy is a cult movie. My point is that it’s not going to be similar to that.

 

[MbJ]

I actually thought there was too much pressure and expectation on MoS. At that time, there was so much that MoS needed to be and it had a unique uphill battle to accomplish and be a lot of things. Didn't Robinov speak out of line and guarantee the big B for MoS right out of the gates? That's a bold claim, especially for a rebooted origin story that was tweaked, bold and heavy. I know WB was coming off TDK Trilogy and had the utmost confident where there was indeed major hype from the fans and audience but once the whole MCU started to reign, MoS became a movie that nobody knew what they wanted it to be for the future DCU and it showed with the decisions afterwards that are still lingering 'til this day.

Robinov had predicted Man of Steel would be the studio's highest earner ever, even bringing in bigger crowds than The Dark Knight or The Dark Knight Rises. Obviously, that didn't happen, even though the movie brought in a respectable haul of 668 million.

I think that's why when discussing the studio's hesitance and ultimately, unwillingness to continue with the original vision for the series, the context is always important. Completely isolated, 668 million and 873 million seem perfectly acceptable, or even outright good results. It's when you bring in that these were two of the most expensive films ever made (both cost more than the first Avengers movie but made way less) and that the studio clearly thought these were both going to be joining the billion dollar club easily (plus BVS' record second week drops) that their desire for a new course and a new architect running the series become apparent.

 

[Predator jp]

and then 5 years later Aquaman made more than The Dark Knight or The Dark Knight Rises. who could've imagined.

 

[Limonade]

Robinov had predicted Man of Steel would be the studio's highest earner ever, even bringing in bigger crowds than The Dark Knight or The Dark Knight Rises. Obviously, that didn't happen, even though the movie brought in a respectable haul of 668 million.

I think that's why when discussing the studio's hesitance and ultimately, unwillingness to continue with the original vision for the series, the context is always important. Completely isolated, 668 million and 873 million seem perfectly acceptable, or even outright good results. It's when you bring in that these were two of the most expensive films ever made (both cost more than the first Avengers movie but made way less) and that the studio clearly thought these were both going to be joining the billion dollar club easily (plus BVS' record second week drops) that their desire for a new course and a new architect running the series become apparent.

Oh Yeah! The common thinking even during the Hype back then, was that a billion was a guarantee. It wasn't until negativity hit its peak during the time of release that the DC forums started to become a mausoleum.

Then the goal-post was moved to "... it made money."

 

[Erzengel]

As well as, “well if you include all the promotional tie-ins, merchandise.....” these movies were very profitable.

 

[Holy Slapper]

Thats the thing with Marvel’s whole methodology thats both brilliant and frustrating, their movies are each building blocks for the next one and while in the grand scheme its innovative and ambitious it could also lead to disappointing filmgoing experiences when you regard each film as its own entity. Sometimes their movies feel like theyre just going through the motions to get to something better down the line and therefore not satisfying. Their movies often end with “to be continued” rather than “the end.”

For better or worse I like that DC takes the traditional approach to movie making, each film is its own FILM. Theyre each their own standalone entities that want to tell their own epic stories and yes, that goes for Shazam too. I like feeling satisfied when I leave a movie, i dont want to always have to be waiting for the next thing. Sometimes its nice to revel and talk about and dissect the thing you just watched. BvS is the only one thats really guilty of doing the whole “this’ll pay off in the next one” thing but even BvS, the directors cut at least, had its own epic story it was trying to tell.

Well you could say that MCU films are like an ongoing comic book story. In a way, the story or stories never end. But individual films also do serve a purpose when it comes to character building. later movies often have callbacks to previous films, like Cap's "I can do this all day." in CA: TFA and Civil War. Stark's personality development from the first Avengers to AoU and Civil War, and even Homecoming and Infinity War. Fans pick up on these type of things and it in a way makes you appreciate the work done in previous films.

 

[Micromind]

Robinov had predicted Man of Steel would be the studio's highest earner ever, even bringing in bigger crowds than The Dark Knight or The Dark Knight Rises. Obviously, that didn't happen, even though the movie brought in a respectable haul of 668 million.

I don't know why people still give such importance to what Robinov expected MoS to earn, Robinov knew that both Batman Begins and Superman Returns failed to reach 1 billion, even Spider-Man 2, which was the most popular comic book franchise at that time failed to earn 1 bil. (Spider-Man 3 didn't earn 1 bil either.)

Robivov had no basis to make such a claim, in any case, he knew that he was going out of WB around that time. He set unrealistic target for MoS which would mean it would always be looked at as an under performing movie

 

[Erzengel]

Most comic book movies follow the same MO. For example origin story, character setup, gets powers, conflict where character is humbled, character then perseveres.

I’m okay with more of a stand alone stories, but I just want lots and lots of cameos. I don’t want to feel that this character is alone in his sandbox. It just makes stories more interesting to me personally.

 

[misslane38]

Did Snyder really say his film took moviegoers' virginity??
Hahaha...Zack Snyder: perpetual adolescent

I'm pretty sure he meant that metaphorically, as in WATCHMEN would make you see superheroes in a new way without the veneer of childlike fantasy.

 

[SgtRob]

I'm pretty sure he meant that metaphorically, as in WATCHMEN would make you see superheroes in a new way without the veneer of childlike fantasy.

Yes, I got that. I'm not as dumb as I look.

I just don't think he is good at portraying realism. And his statement shows an arrogance in him that I wasn't aware of before. Oh well, I will still enjoy Watchmen and Dawn of the Dead.

 

[MbJ]

I don't know why people still give such importance to what Robinov expected MoS to earn, Robinov knew that both Batman Begins and Superman Returns failed to reach 1 billion, even Spider-Man 2, which was the most popular comic book franchise at that time failed to earn 1 bil. (Spider-Man 3 didn't earn 1 bil either.)

Robivov had no basis to make such a claim, in any case, he knew that he was going out of WB around that time. He set unrealistic target for MoS which would mean it would always be looked at as an under performing movie

Oh, it was definitely a wild claim. But I would say the fact that they were spending as much as they did on this, especially numbers comparable to what they spent on TDK and its sequel, indicates they were expecting results around those numbers as well. In fact, I've said it before, but given that one of the edicts Walter Hamada was tasked with when being brought in was cutting down on the DC Films division's overspending, I'm pretty sure that was not lost on the higher ups either.

 

[Aurakles]

The amount of money a film earns does not affect my enjoyment of it.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Agreed

But it’s always interesting to see how something I may or may not have liked is received both financially and to an extent, critically

 

[misslane38]

Yes, I got that. I'm not as dumb as I look.

I just don't think he is good at portraying realism. And his statement shows an arrogance in him that I wasn't aware of before. Oh well, I will still enjoy Watchmen and Dawn of the Dead.

I don't see much that resembles arrogance or adolescence in his comments, but okay.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I definitely think he wouldn’t receive as much flack if he was better at articulating himself in public situations.

Poor dude gets killed for that stuff and he clearly struggles with public anxiety related issues. I feel for him in that regard. It can be very overwhelming sometimes. His ideas definitely come off a little better on screen as opposed to when people ask him to explain something.

 

[MbJ]

I don't think anyone is talking about whether or not someone is allowed to like a movie because of how it does at the box office. Hell, I love the first Pacific Rim, and practically nobody watched it in America.

 

[Micromind]

I definitely think he wouldn’t receive as much flack if he was better at articulating himself in public situations.

Poor dude gets killed for that stuff and he clearly struggles with public anxiety related issues. I feel for him in that regard. It can be very overwhelming sometimes. His ideas definitely come off a little better on screen as opposed to when people ask him to explain something.

Yeah, that seems to be the case with Snyder. Also, he finds it difficult to explain in words the visual language he likes to use in his movies parallels, homages, metaphors, sub texts etc.

 

[chintai80]

I don't think anyone is talking about whether or not someone is allowed to like a movie because of how it does at the box office. Hell, I love the first Pacific Rim, and practically nobody watched it in America.

not enough people love pacific rim. its a simple fun over the top movie.
i remember i had a friend who was mad cuz he saying del toro was ripping evangelion. and refused to watch it.