Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition)

[Comicbookguy339]

Pictured: Kevin Spacey sexually assaulting Brandon Routh.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Superman Returns

Better than Nyquil.

 

[souperman]

I'm sure Dwayne does want Henry in BA because I imagine he wants Superman in the film for Black Adam to beat down.

I'd hope Henry would be cute enough to know he shouldn't be agreeing to anything that would make Superman look weak.

I'm sure there could be a story that works for both.

I know little about BA BTW. From the little I've seen he seems to be an evil wiseas* Shazam.

act1 BA Origin story
act2 BA causes chaos and Superman confronts him. BA tricks Superman and defeats him
act3 Superman comes back to stop BA. Superman fights BA, (almost kills him like in MoS) but uses lessons learned to cause him to surrender and retreat.
end Mutual respect but hard feeling on BA's side. He'll be back...

I'm sure it all depends on where Shazam is going story-wise with the worm...

 

[jbyron]

How does this work?

What is the difference between Black Adam vs Superman and MoS2 with Black Adam as the big bad?

Any MoS2 would need a villain. So what's the dif?

BA needs first act origin story... then LET THEM FIGHT!

Billing? Same outcome.

Seems like Dwayne wants it and so does Henry...

Let's make it happen Cap'n...

The Rock AND Henry Cavill, after a long break, a rough year and no big, familiar Marvel character movies to compete with sounds like a slam dunk for WB. Seems like the general audience would be all for seeing these two on screen along with WW, who I’m sure will garner a lot of good will and interest with WW84. The timing is right, just don’t call it MOS2 or JL2 or anything that calls back to previous iterations and I can see it being huge.

 

[souperman]

I feel like if they reboot Superman there's a good chance he'll be black. The blue check marks and mainstream media would love it

We know WB entertained the idea before committing to putting Superman on the bench

no thanks...

we already had -

which I thought was fun...

 

[souperman]

Superman Returns

Better than Nyquil.

...like Nyquill SR only makes me drowsy... I thought some of it was pretty good... and after so much time with NO big screen Superman I enjoyed it. Some memorable scenes...

 

[souperman]

Only way I want a black Superman is if it’s Val Zod or Kalvin Ellis. I’m not a fan of race bending main stream characters.

...I don't know... Fantastic 4 worked so well...

 

[Comicbookguy339]

A black Johnny Storm was not one of that movie's many problems. In fact, I'd argue that he was the only main character who wasn't miscast.

 

[souperman]

It's not the actors or colors that's the problem for me... it's the uncomfortable obvious ham-handed pc shoehorning...

...and the rest of the film...

but I'm sure there is a 3 hour directors cut that is awesome!

 

[flickchick85]

A black Johnny Storm was not one of that movie's many problems. In fact, I'd argue that he was the only main character who wasn't miscast.

Agreed. MBJ was actually a pretty good choice for that character, imo. The movie had much bigger problems.

 

[Mysteryman]

Agreed. MBJ was actually a pretty good choice for that character, imo. The movie had much bigger problems.

Now, that is a "get all the dirt" behind the scenes book that I would READ THE HECK OUT OF!

 

[Detective Conan]

It's not the actors or colors that's the problem for me... it's the uncomfortable obvious ham-handed pc shoehorning...

...and the rest of the film...

...What’s “uncomfortable” about racial inclusivity? I think you need to word that a little better, buddy. You could argue casting a POC in the role is nothing more than tolkenism but MBJ is a really talented actor who can totally pull off the cocky, brash, carefree guy without a care in the world. He wasn’t miscast. The script and direction let him down.

but I'm sure there is a 3 hour directors cut that is awesome!

This is conjecture, but I think Trank’s cut most likely would’ve sucked as well, but it would feel more cohesive than the theatrical cut tonally.

 

[The Guard]

All respect to Cavill. I just don't see a suit giving his Supes another solo on the bigscreen. Could be with The Rock and Shazam, but not a solo. That's just me.

I honestly don't think he needs a solo, though I imagine eventually there will be one. I think the character just needs to be seen again, evolve as a character, and we need to see Superman's world and supporting cast a bit more. Lois, Martha, Jimmy, etc. But I'm kind of okay if the TV series develops his world and we see more team up stuff with the big screen version, showing his influence on other heroes and what he can learn from them.

 

[souperman]

...What’s “uncomfortable” about racial inclusivity? I think you need to word that a little better, buddy. You could argue casting a POC in the role is nothing more than tolkenism but MBJ is a really talented actor who can totally pull off the cocky, brash, carefree guy without a care in the world. He wasn’t miscast. The script and direction let him down.

This is conjecture, but I think Trank’s cut most likely would’ve sucked as well, but it would feel more cohesive than the theatrical cut tonally.

...nothing wrong with racial inclusivity. That's why I said it's not the actors or colors...

MBJ is a good actor. I liked him in Creed and Black Panther. I did not argue that he was a tolken POC but it sounds like you just did.... I also did not say he was miscast. You assumed that's what I meant.

What I said was that the industry tries to appease and jump on trends usually to the detriment of the material, usually very ham-fistedly and is usually embarrassing and uncomfortable... to watch. It is shoehorning inclusivity and pc rather than developing it naturally and organically. F4 just did it wrong.

TBH, I would have preferred they make all the Storms black. I feel it would have worked better.


I guess Trank got Snydered too...

 

[Herolee10]

If Cavill was given an opportunity to reprise his role as Superman, the question would then be on which continuity should his character adhere to?

The differences in continuities between Snyder's Cut and the theatrical version are as different as the ones between the regular X-Men and Deadpool films.

In one version, Superman has already returned (as shown in "Shazam"). Eh, I won't elaborate more on his situation from the "Snyder Cut" universe.

 

[Orb]

If Cavill was given an opportunity to reprise his role as Superman, the question would then be on which continuity should his character adhere to?

The differences in continuities between Snyder's Cut and the theatrical version are as different as the ones between the regular X-Men and Deadpool films.

In one version, Superman has already returned (as shown in "Shazam"). Eh, I won't elaborate more on his situation from the "Snyder Cut" universe.

Zach already confirmed the theatrical cut of JL is considered canon to the new DCEU films. The Snydercut is its own thing.

 

[Herolee10]

I'll add in my own fan theory:

Zack mentioned that when Superman is ressurected "What is he know? Who is he now? How has seeing life through death changed him"?

When Clark goes back to the Scout ship, the scout ship may not recognize who he is , determines who he is through the ships logistics and creates the black Kryptonian suit. It's only then when he finds his place and Clark remembers who he is to when the scout ship recreates his red and blue through familiarity.

Or another cool thing would be that Superman arrives at the Bat cave seeking Alfred out because Batman prepared for Clark's return ("He said you'd come.."). Bruce was prepared, reversed engineered the scout ship the best he could and made Clark a suit to return in only in the color he knows..black.

 

[Herolee10]

Keep in mind, Superman was essentially supposed to be an unknown quantity/threat when he returned, probably to foreshadow succumbing to Anti-Life in the future. I'm guessing there was a bit more struggle with his identity in the original version VS the compressed version we saw in Whedon's film. The black suit would help with the delineation between Kal-El and Clark.

Honestly, the black suit would have made sense in this film IF Clark had been resurrected under a weakened state. However, his scuffle against the league in "Heroes Park" clearly showed otherwise.

Thus, his black suit (inspired by the comics) serves no functional purpose other than Snyder thinking that it would be cool to change "his Superman" from the established.

And come someone explain on the hypocrisy here? Why is it that fans were upset at the idea of Superman having a black costume in Tim Burton's proposed movie but are okay with it here, in Snyder's?

 

[Da-Scribe]

Honestly, the black suit would have made sense in this film IF Clark had been resurrected under a weakened state. However, his scuffle against the league in "Heroes Park" clearly showed otherwise.

Thus, his black suit (inspired by the comics) serves no functional purpose other than Snyder thinking that it would be cool to change "his Superman" from the established.

And come someone explain on the hypocrisy here? Why is it that fans were upset at the idea of Superman having a black costume in Tim Burton's proposed movie but are okay with it here, in Snyder's?

Breh, I’m not saying you have to like it. But can you just wait and see how it’s actually utilized before declaring what purpose it does and doesn’t serve? I get you’ve been right about stuff in the past and maybe you’re right here. But we won’t know until next year. Just reel it in a bit.

 

[flickchick85]

@herolee10 , you're once again verging into trolling territory my guy. I get that you hate the change to the suit, and hell, I even agree with you. But you've now been harping on the same point for many, many pages now, without saying anything new. We get it. Please let it lie. For now, at least, until there's something new about it to harp on, lol.

 

[Predator jp]

#BlackSuitMatter

 

[Herolee10]

@herolee10 , you're once again verging into trolling territory my guy. I get that you hate the change to the suit, and hell, I even agree with you. But you've now been harping on the same point for many, many pages now, without saying anything new. We get it. Please let it lie. For now, at least, until there's something new about it to harp on, lol.

Fine. But only because you asked nicely

I did learn a valuable lesson here though. Never doubt Flickchick's instincts when it comes to how Superman should be handled and by whom (except for when it concerns Supergirl of course)

 

[Aurakles]

I think they should have cast a non-white actor as Clark back in Man Of Steel. It would have synchronised well thematically.

 

[Herolee10]

I think they should have cast a non-white actor as Clark back in Man Of Steel. It would have synchronised well thematically.

 

[Flash525]

Zach already confirmed the theatrical cut of JL is considered canon to the new DCEU films. The Snydercut is its own thing.

It's a shame they can't switch this up and make the Snyder Cut the DCEU canon, with Wheldon's version as the 'alternate timeline'.

As far as we know, there's nothing in any of the films that follow that'll imply or establish any big changes, and Snyder's JL is the one fans are going to remember (sorry Joss, but your film left a lot to be desired).

Surely it makes sense for DC/WB to just establish Snyder's film as the series of events that're taking place, especially if he's going to introduce additional cast, characters and scenes. There's so much more potential here to set up other projects like the Flash film, a Man of Steel sequel, or even a Batfleck solo somewhere down the line.