Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition)

[Micromind]

Only Zack Snyder can give such parallels, one reason why I love his movies -Man of Steel, Zack Snyder's Justice league.

Butterfly that cannot fly vs the one that can but chooses to come back.

 

[craigaat]

Only Zack Snyder can give such parallels, one reason why I love his movies -Man of Steel, Zack Snyder's Justice league.

Butterfly that cannot fly vs the one that can but chooses to come back.

I watched BvS again last night, and ZSJL makes it better. There's still the same flaws but it just improves the whole thing IMO.

Also (I don't have pictures so this might not make a lot of sense), if you look at the painting in Luthor's study(?), the wings of the demon form the Omega symbol on Darkseid's chest. The movie is full of stuff like that.

Edit: Best picture I could find. It's not just me, right? That's the symbol?

 

[WBwins]

MY FINAL SCORE for the movie is 5/10.

If it had been edited down to its proper length it would be 6.5 /10.It didnt need to be 4 hours
So where do they go with this?

Should Zack Snyder be allowed to continue with the DCEU architect?
NOT AT ALL.

He is the reason why MOS and BVS had such mixed receptions. BVS was overwhelming negative as note.
Zack Snyder should not be allowed to touch Superman or Batman again. His plans and ideas are overwhelming bad. Bruce impregnating Lois?Injsustice Superman in JL2? ALL of his BVS ideas?

People blame WB for not being planned or inteferering too much. I disagree. Their plan was perfect. Imagine a Well recieved MOS, BVS, JUSTICE LEAGUE trilogy. That would have established the DCEU in a Great and speedy method. Then spinoff the solo movies. Its GENIUS.

It failed because of Zack Snyder.WB was smart enough not to allow Bruce impregnate Lois something SNYDER thought was a good idea. Its incredible.

I dont want to sound too harsh but I want people to not be Overtly impressed that Snyder FINALLY Managed not to make a Divisive movie.Thats not a DCEU architect.

So how should they proceed?

Continue with the DCEU.
Give Zack Snyder the Cyborg HBO Max series
Give James Wan Justice League 2 as a Film
Give us Man of Steel sequel on HBO Max.Same with Ben Affleck Batman HBO MAX
Ezra Miller Flash needs a MAJOR rewrite and redesign fo new Audiences

 

[Micromind]

Uxas (young Darkseid) failed to conquer Earth and was injured in the battle. Uxas had to leave Earth in their Apokolips ships without the 3 motherboxes.

The Motherboxes went to sleep, maybe they assumed that Motherboxes were damaged ? Without their help Darkseid, Steppenwolf and Parademons cannot open boom tubes to travel to Earth, using the old methods of using ships to travel intergalactic space can take several hundred years, you can see why they didn't come back soon. If their ship was was damaged they might have lost the coordinates of the planet where it happened.

Also after the first Motherbox was activated, they got the signal that it was on Earth and was in working condition. I suppose they used it to open-up a boom tube to Earth.

 

[idiot09]

Very beautiful article, must read.

 

[BobJM]

Uxas (young Darkseid) failed to conquer Earth and was injured in the battle. Uxas had to leave Earth in their Apokolips ships without the 3 motherboxes.

The Motherboxes went to sleep, maybe they assumed that Motherboxes were damaged ? Without their help Darkseid, Steppenwolf and Parademons cannot open boom tubes to travel to Earth, using the old methods of using ships to travel intergalactic space can take several hundred years, you can see why they didn't come back soon. If their ship was was damaged they might have lost the coordinates of the planet where it happened.

Also after the first Motherbox was activated, they got the signal that it was on Earth and was in working condition. I suppose they used it to open-up a boom tube to Earth.

That’s all assumption, though right? Or is Snyder saying these things in interviews after-the-fact? There’s no dialogue or action in any one of the four hours that backs those theories.

And no ones been able to tell me why Steppenwolf remembers/knows of Amazons and Atlanteans, but doesn’t remember until midway through that they’re the same Amazons and Atlanteans from the “great defiance?”

 

[Longshot777]

"WW84" was released on Christmas day, though.

Yes true.

But the way the internet has been and still TRENDING this while barely no one is talking about WW84 comparatively, For Snyder Cut to be number 2 is a loss. And also barely beating a single episode of Falcon and WS which again not trending as much as Snyder cut makes me wonder that Corporate media is still King compared to internet.

Having advertising on actual TV still rules. Like I said before, NEVER ONCE I saw a commercial of Snyder Cut on TV while WB has put WW84 on TV Spots while Disney also has commercials of Falcon and WS on TV.

But I’m guessing the international numbers should put this on top of WW. Maybe.

 

[souperman]

Amateur hour at WB

They get some much needed goodwill for DC and just like that it evaporates

Any one of the original brothers Warner would have jumped in and taken full credit by now for the Snyder cut. Even when they opposed something, if it worked out well , they took credit!
Times have truly changed.

 

[Micromind]

That’s all assumption, though right? Or is Snyder saying these things in interviews after-the-fact? There’s no dialogue or action in any one of the four hours that backs those theories.

Which theory ? After Boom tube closes, Darkseid says to DeSaad: (paraphrasing here) "we will do this the old way" It's implied that he's talking about attacking Earth, it's also implied that in absence of Boom tubes, they will have to use ships (hence the old method). As for the Motherboxes opening the Boom Tube theory, it's from DC Comics.

And no ones been able to tell me why Steppenwolf remembers/knows of Amazons and Atlanteans, but doesn’t remember until midway through that they’re the same Amazons and Atlanteans from the “great defiance?”

Steppenwolf recognizes the presence of "Old Gods" in Diana when she first appears to fight, it's shown (in the movie) that he remembers the fight forces of Apokolips had with them.

If you are referring to why Steppy is on Earth it's because the Motherboxes become active after Superman dies and because Lex Luthor makes a Zoom Boom tube call to Steppenwolf.

So, Steppenwolf remembers Earth (and old war they had with all combined armies) after those incidents, but he was not expecting daughter of Zeus to show up.

 

[souperman]

More important than any of this:

3 doors down? ... the band ?

 

[Longshot777]

Steppenwolf never mentioned Atlanteans.

And the first time he saw the Amazons...he never knew it was “The” Amazons until he was talking to Hippolita after knocking her out and the Amazon army came to help her yelling , “Amazons!!!!”

As for Darkseid....that planet should have been his obsession since it’s his first lost and has the Anti Life Equation....BUT YET HE FORGOT ABOUT IT???

 

[TheManWhoFalls]

Yes true.

But the way the internet has been and still TRENDING this while barely no one is talking about WW84 comparatively, For Snyder Cut to be number 2 is a loss. And also barely beating a single episode of Falcon and WS which again not trending as much as Snyder cut makes me wonder that Corporate media is still King compared to internet.

Having advertising on actual TV still rules. Like I said before, NEVER ONCE I saw a commercial of Snyder Cut on TV while WB has put WW84 on TV Spots while Disney also has commercials of Falcon and WS on TV.

But I’m guessing the international numbers should put this on top of WW. Maybe.

Undeniable.

Nevertheless:

1) The first "WW" had earned half of its box-office "resume" in the US: strongly over-performing there; mildly under-performing over-seas;

2) It had been --- in US, at least; not also in Europe, actually --- critically acclaimed;

3) "WW84" was highly advertised, even --- if I remember correctly --- during a "Super Bowl";

4) It lasts 2 h & 30 minutes; and was released --- being, mostly, a "family movie" --- on Christmas day.

Instead, the "Snyder Cut":

1) Seems to have garnered more, or equal, interest also over-seas: I'm european and it's partially being the "phenomenon" of the moment here too;

2) It's the sequel of a movie that had been --- undeservedly, in my opinion; and, once again, more in the US than in Europe --- critically butchered;

3) "Warner Bros" hasn't advertised it very much; if not the contrary, actually;

4) It last 4 hours and it's a more adult-oriented movie.

Therefore, in my opinion, the inital gap --- almost evened in the US; quite probably, over-turned over-seas --- was abyssal; not considering that the different word-of-mouth concerning these two movies might guarantee the "Snyder Cut" to have way longer "legs".

 

[Micromind]

Steppenwolf never mentioned Atlanteans.

Yet, he visits Atlantis, maybe becuse the Boom Tube opens right next to Motherbox.

And the first time he saw the Amazons...he never knew it was “The” Amazons until he was talking to Hippolita after knocking her out and the Amazon army came to help her yelling , “Amazons!!!!”

Right, but he recognizes Diana from the family of Old Gods and as one of the Amazons.

 

[Deck Rickard]

3 doors down? ... the band ?

Yeah, what? Are they referencing something in that stupid Kryptonite song?

 

[souperman]

Steppenwolf never mentioned Atlanteans.

And the first time he saw the Amazons...he never knew it was “The” Amazons until he was talking to Hippolita after knocking her out and the Amazon army came to help her yelling , “Amazons!!!!”

As for Darkseid....that planet should have been his obsession since it’s his first lost and has the Anti Life Equation....BUT YET HE FORGOT ABOUT IT???

the first invasion was before Atlantans were forced under the sea.

As for not remembering where or which planet it was. Maybe the map was lost or destroyed. Maybe in the motherboxs. ?

I don’t look for precise logic in these movies. There is a reasonable logic and reasoning to it.

 

[BobJM]

Which theory ? After Boom tube closes, Darkseid says to DeSaad: (paraphrasing here) "we will do this the old way" It's implied that he's talking about attacking Earth, it's also implied that in absence of Boom tubes, they will have to use ships (hence the old method). As for the Motherboxes opening the Boom Tube theory, it's from DC Comics.

No, I know how Boom Tubes work in the comics, but your original post mentions that travel for Darkseid will take 'several hundred years' and they lost the coordinates in the ship--that's all assumption since it was never said nor shown. It just simply wasn't addressed. Darkseid saying "we will do this the old way" isn't an explanation, and its barely enough for an implication.

Steppenwolf recognizes the presence of "Old Gods" in Diana when she first appears to fight, it's shown (in the movie) that he remembers the fight forces of Apokolips had with them.

If you are referring to why Steppy is on Earth it's because the Motherboxes become active after Superman dies and because Lex Luthor makes a Zoom Boom tube call to Steppenwolf.

So, Steppenwolf remembers Earth (and old war they had with all combined armies) after those incidents, but he was not expecting daughter of Zeus to show up.

Steppenwolf should remember Earth the second that the Motherbox calls him to Themiscyra. Unless Darkseid & co. lost Motherboxes all over place. Or if Steppenwolf was being an idiot, the first time he spoke to Desaad to give him an update on his search for the next two boxes, Desaad should have been like "Dude, lost motherboxes? That's Earth--that's where Anti-LIfe is!"

 

[souperman]

No, I know how Boom Tubes work in the comics, but your original post mentions that travel for Darkseid will take 'several hundred years' and they lost the coordinates in the ship--that's all assumption since it was never said nor shown. It just simply wasn't addressed. Darkseid saying "we will do this the old way" isn't an explanation, and its barely enough for an implication.



Steppenwolf should remember Earth the second that the Motherbox calls him to Themiscyra. Unless Darkseid & co. lost Motherboxes all over place. Or if Steppenwolf was being an idiot, the first time he spoke to Desaad to give him an update on his search for the next two boxes, Desaad should have been like "Dude, lost motherboxes? That's Earth--that's where Anti-LIfe is!"

using the old way certainly implies not using boom tubes and having to use ships. The armada.

how it plays in the film. Steppenwolf was not with Uxis at the first invasion. He may have been on other conquests and only learned of the defeat on Earth.
Amazon’s don’t call him by naming in this version. He was never there apparently but knows of them.

Spoiler: Antilife

When the 2 motherboxes are together. They “tell SW and show him that the anti life is on Earth.

 

[idiot09]

 

[Longshot777]

No, I know how Boom Tubes work in the comics, but your original post mentions that travel for Darkseid will take 'several hundred years' and they lost the coordinates in the ship--that's all assumption since it was never said nor shown. It just simply wasn't addressed. Darkseid saying "we will do this the old way" isn't an explanation, and its barely enough for an implication.



Steppenwolf should remember Earth the second that the Motherbox calls him to Themiscyra. Unless Darkseid & co. lost Motherboxes all over place. Or if Steppenwolf was being an idiot, the first time he spoke to Desaad to give him an update on his search for the next two boxes, Desaad should have been like "Dude, lost motherboxes? That's Earth--that's where Anti-LIfe is!"

Yeah that’s what I was asking about to.

As far as I know there’s only 3 mother boxes.

I can give Steppenwolf a pass because he wasn’t really on the first invasion.

But the moment the mother box called out ....Darkseid should have been the first to answer and immediately know it’s the planet with Anti Life Equation and Steppenwolf shouldn’t have to get his attention with that information.

Unless Darkseid was just being coy in front of Desaad and Steppenwolf.

 

[gohei_]

No, I know how Boom Tubes work in the comics, but your original post mentions that travel for Darkseid will take 'several hundred years' and they lost the coordinates in the ship--that's all assumption since it was never said nor shown. It just simply wasn't addressed. Darkseid saying "we will do this the old way" isn't an explanation, and its barely enough for an implication.



Steppenwolf should remember Earth the second that the Motherbox calls him to Themiscyra. Unless Darkseid & co. lost Motherboxes all over place. Or if Steppenwolf was being an idiot, the first time he spoke to Desaad to give him an update on his search for the next two boxes, Desaad should have been like "Dude, lost motherboxes? That's Earth--that's where Anti-LIfe is!"

Isn't it more likely that the motherbox would contact Darkseid directly? And that he is the one to send Steppenwolf to earth?

Yeah, what? Are they referencing something in that stupid Kryptonite song?

"if I go crazy, then will you still call me Superman?". Evidently not.

 

[J.Drangal]

Yeah, I was thinking about all of this the last few days, and there's a plot hole here no matter how we try to explain it.

I have no problem with Darkseid losing track of Earth, especially if he use motherboxes to locate planets. But the thing is Steppenwolf and Desaad made clear that "The Great Defiance" is a well-known story. And so, even if Steppenwolf could have thought that these motherboxes calling for him were just other random lost ones (which is a bit hard to conceive since Darkseid apparently knew only one defeat), he "talked" with Luthor before, and then arrived on Themiscyra where he recognized the Amazons right away. He can only know of them through the story of Darkseid. He should be able to put 2 and 2 together and realized that this world, with three abandonned motherboxes, Amazons, Hippolyta, and a daughter of an Old God is the famous "lost world" of his master. And thus, that the anti-life equation is indeed here.

The movie isn't giving more informations, we're only speculating to make sense of it. I guess it would have worked better to only have a small scene or even just a line making clear that Steppenwolf knew where he was, from the beginning. He would just choose not to tell Desaad anything until having the confirmation from the boxes that the equation is still there.

 

[souperman]

Yeah that’s what I was asking about to.

As far as I know there’s only 3 mother boxes.

I can give Steppenwolf a pass because he wasn’t really on the first invasion.

But the moment the mother box called out ....Darkseid should have been the first to answer and immediately know it’s the planet with Anti Life Equation and Steppenwolf shouldn’t have to get his attention with that information.

Unless Darkseid was just being coy in front of Desaad and Steppenwolf.

SW said the box called out to him specifically. He was also the one Lex connected with in BvS.
SW "mother" is supposedly according to comics, trapped in the boxes... Not important for the film but interestiong.

 

[Micromind]

No, I know how Boom Tubes work in the comics, but your original post mentions that travel for Darkseid will take 'several hundred years' and they lost the coordinates in the ship--that's all assumption since it was never said nor shown. It just simply wasn't addressed. Darkseid saying "we will do this the old way" isn't an explanation, and its barely enough for an implication.

It's understood that using Boom tubes one can travel great distances from one point to other point in Universe, like magical portals that Doctor Strange uses. I don't think old ways of using ships to travel across the space could be faster than Boom tube.

How much distance those ships will have to travel to reach Earth ? How much time those ships will take to reach Earth ? We don't know. But Zod took considerable amount of time to reach Earth, and Apokolips is theoretically much farther away from Earth than Krypton. I would assume it's far away otherwise they would have used the old ways to travel long ago to attack Earth once again.

Steppenwolf should remember Earth the second that the Motherbox calls him to Themiscyra. Unless Darkseid & co. lost Motherboxes all over place. Or if Steppenwolf was being an idiot, the first time he spoke to Desaad to give him an update on his search for the next two boxes, Desaad should have been like "Dude, lost motherboxes? That's Earth--that's where Anti-LIfe is!"

Spoiler

In the History lesson flashback, the three Apokoliptian priests bring those three Motherboxes to Earth, maybe because those Motherboxes help them search the presence of Anti-life equation.

When Steppenwolf is giving DeSaad an update on second Motherbox, DeSaasd and Steppenwolf already know they have lost 3 of them on Earth, they know because all three were lost on same Planet, and the Motherboxes were used to open Boom tube portals to Earth.

 

[idiot09]

I thought Darkseid and co were planet/universe hopping when they came across Earth and lost. They have other motherboxes too, but they lost 3 here. So they lost track of Earth in the multiverse after their return, and without the motherboxes couldnt pin point its location.

 

[souperman]

Yeah, I was thinking about all of this the last few days, and there's a plot hole here no matter how we try to explain it.

I have no problem with Darkseid losing track of Earth, especially if he use motherboxes to locates planets. But the thing is Steppenwolf and Desaad made clear that "The Great Defiance" is something well-known. And so, even if Steppenwolf could have thought that these motherboxes were just other random lost ones (which is a bit hard to conceive since Darkseid apparently knew only one defeat), he "talked" with Luthor, and then arrived on Themiscyra where he recognized the Amazons right away. He can only know them because of the story of Darkseid. He should be then able to put 2 and 2 together and realized that this world, with three abandonned motherboxes, Amazons, Hippolyta, and a daughter of an Old God is the famous "lost world" of his master. And thus, that the anti-life equation is indeed here.

The movie isn't giving more information, we're only speculating to make sense of it. I guess it would have worked better to just have a small scene or even just a line making clear that Steppenwolf knew where he was, from the beginning. But, not being sure the legendary equation is still there, he would just have choose to not say anything to Dessad before having the confirmation that the equation did still exists here, and that this mission is his most important one.

thoughts
DS was defeated by the ones that fought back. Earth. As far as he knows, the old gods, Lanterns , Atlanteans, Amazons and Armies of Man are still there and defending the planet.
1) He does not have anti-life so he is not "strong" enough to go back.
2) There was so much damage to their ships and personnel that the location was lost or forgotten over the last 5-10,000 years.