Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition)

[Trevor]

Link for the HD copy of the teaser: https://d2hzlifut58gpa.cloudfront.n...b50e3/8393129b-1a46-4f86-ab99-4b4e209a0066/v0

By the way, more rumours:

Jim Lee and Walter Hamada really like Snyder's direction for the DCEU, apparently. They went through a labarous logistical nightmare to bring the DCEU back in line with Snyder's direction since 2018.


According to one of the fans who is constantly in touch with Snyder, full trailer in August:

 

[SupermanFan]

Not gonna lie, I'm a tiny bit more excited to hear what Junkie XL would've gave us than the actual film

haha I kind of get what you mean tbh

 

[Herolee10]

Link for the HD copy of the teaser: https://d2hzlifut58gpa.cloudfront.n...b50e3/8393129b-1a46-4f86-ab99-4b4e209a0066/v0

By the way, more rumours:

Jim Lee and Walter Hamada really like Snyder's direction for the DCEU, apparently. They went through a labarous logistical nightmare to bring the DCEU back in line with Snyder's direction since 2018.


According to one of the fans who is constantly in touch with Snyder, full trailer in August:

See the thing that I don't get is where is all of this newfound confidence in Snyder coming from? I get that the theatrical version of "Justice League" was a disaster in every way imaginable but this doesn't change on how divisive Snyder's DCEU films have been with fans and audiences alike.

 

[Micromind]

See the thing that I don't get is where is all of this newfound confidence in Snyder coming from? I get that the theatrical version of "Justice League" was a disaster in every way imaginable but this doesn't change on how divisive Snyder's DCEU films have been with fans and audiences alike.

At the end of the day, if some fans want to see completely accepted, non-divisive DC movies (like Thor Ragnarok), that's not going to happen.. these characters have gone through many iterations and everyone has his/her own take on the characters.

The point is, I fully expect Matt Reeve's The Batman , James Gunn's The Suicide Squad, Patty Jenkins' Wonder Woman 1984 and other upcoming DC movies to be "divisive" to varying degrees.

Case in point, Zack Snyder was not involved in James Wan's Aquaman or David Sandberg's Shazam or Cathy Yan's Birds of Prey, and yet those movies turned out to be divisive.

 

[Aurakles]

See the thing that I don't get is where is all of this newfound confidence in Snyder coming from? I get that the theatrical version of "Justice League" was a disaster in every way imaginable but this doesn't change on how divisive Snyder's DCEU films have been with fans and audiences alike.

I'm a big fan of Snyder, so I'd like to believe that it's because the new people in charge so his work and loved it.
But I know that isn't how these things tend to work.

Cynically, I can imagine the scenario where after deciding the Snyder Cut could be a worthwhile investment, that they are trying to hype it up. "This isn't just a directors cut of a film, this is start of something new!"
They seem to be marketing ZSJL hard, possibly this is just part of the marketing.

 

[Aurakles]

Back in 2017, I was sure the ancient battle scene was going to have both Supergirl and Black Adam, working with Hippolyta, the King of Atlantis and maybe even Hawkman/Hawkgirl as a kind of proto-JL.

 

[Iceman]

Back in 2017, I was sure the ancient battle scene was going to have both Supergirl and Black Adam, working with Hippolyta, the King of Atlantis and maybe even Hawkman/Hawkgirl as a kind of proto-JL.

Damn, I would have loved that.

 

[Aurakles]

It was the fact that they cast Black Adam so early, I was convinced it was because they wanted him to cameo in JL.

 

[Tra-El]

What if the big swerve is that Henry's Superman actually RECRUITS Rock's Black Adam to fight alongside the JL vs Darkseid for JL2? That would be a huge curveball nobody would see coming!

 

[Calvin Ellis]

At the end of the day, if some fans want to see completely accepted, non-divisive DC movies (like Thor Ragnarok), that's not going to happen.. these characters have gone through many iterations and everyone has his/her own take on the characters.

The point is, I fully expect Matt Reeve's The Batman , James Gunn's The Suicide Squad, Patty Jenkins' Wonder Woman 1984 and other upcoming DC movies to be "divisive" to varying degrees.

Case in point, Zack Snyder was not involved in James Wan's Aquaman or David Sandberg's Shazam or Cathy Yan's Birds of Prey, and yet those movies turned out to be divisive.

Actually he was involved with Aquaman. Wan and Snyder were both talking during the production of Justice League about Aquaman and his story and about what each other had planned and how to make it work. The real post Snyder DCEU movies are Captain Marvel, BOPINO, WW84 and TSS.

 

[The Guard]

Love the tease. For my money, there are few teases better than the insidious creeping darkness indicated in BVS over multiple scenes related to Darkseid and his forces. Glad they used Eisenberg's voiceover for this. Suggests there's probably some of him in the Snyder Cut, I would think.

It'll be interesting to see how much Uxas/Steppenwolf there is. Probably not a ton, nor would there need to be. I'm more interested in DeSaad and Darkseid, actually.

I don't doubt that they were still moving forward with some of Snyder's ideas, even when things were strained. His influence, at least visually, was all over AQUAMAN and WONDER WOMAN, and they clearly haven't abandoned the whole Shazam/Superman/Black Adam thing that preceded his departure (or FLASHPOINT?), and there's no way that wasn't a major part of future plans for JL movies and crossover stuff.

I don't think the DCEU concept was ever really abandoned, as much as some wanted it to be, nor do I think it will be, though some of its stars may move on. Even post Snyder development, there are ties in all the major films to other DCEU movies. That whole "we're going in a different direction" thing was true, but also lipservice for WB to justify not making directly connected stories anymore.

I think its entirely possible that they're going to indicate that these two JUSTICE LEAGUE movies (and other DC properties, CW and DC Universe) are part of different timelines via FLASHPOINT, or something along those lines. It wouldn't surprise me if Snyder didn't negotiate something for his friend Jeffrey Dean Morgan into all this.

 

[Micromind]

Actually he was involved with Aquaman. Wan and Snyder were both talking during the production of Justice League about Aquaman and his story and about what each other had planned and how to make it work. The real post Snyder DCEU movies are Captain Marvel, BOPINO, WW84 and TSS.

Maybe I should have worded it differently, what I meant was Zack was not actively involved in the film besides giving input on certain things, that is he was Executive Producer and consultant, nothing more.

 

[Spider-jedi]

See the thing that I don't get is where is all of this newfound confidence in Snyder coming from? I get that the theatrical version of "Justice League" was a disaster in every way imaginable but this doesn't change on how divisive Snyder's DCEU films have been with fans and audiences alike.

i think the confidence is that his version is without a doubt better than what we got even from peopel who arent fans of his work .

People who arent ZS fans want to see this out of pure curiosity. the likelihood that this movie will turn all his detractors around are not high. thou not impossible.

 

[Spider-jedi]

At the end of the day, if some fans want to see completely accepted, non-divisive DC movies (like Thor Ragnarok), that's not going to happen.. these characters have gone through many iterations and everyone has his/her own take on the characters.

The point is, I fully expect Matt Reeve's The Batman , James Gunn's The Suicide Squad, Patty Jenkins' Wonder Woman 1984 and other upcoming DC movies to be "divisive" to varying degrees.

Case in point, Zack Snyder was not involved in James Wan's Aquaman or David Sandberg's Shazam or Cathy Yan's Birds of Prey, and yet those movies turned out to be divisive.

but none of those movie were as divisive as ZS movies. all got better reviews expect for BOP among fans and critics alike

 

[Arachnerd]

People who arent ZS fans want to see this out of pure curiosity. the likelihood that this movie will turn all his detractors around are not high. thou not impossible.

I don't know. I still think there are a lot of folks online who have already made up their minds that it's going to suck whether or not they see it.

 

[Tra-El]

I don't know. I still think there are a lot of folks online who have already made up their minds that it's going to suck whether or not they see it.

Doesn't matter anymore. Zack's JL is must-see.

 

[STARMAN]

One of the many advantages of HBO Max is you can check out the Snydercut without making the commitment of purchasing tickets and going to the theater. You can simply relax and flip it on. Some casual fans and non-Snyder fans who wouldn't bother to go to theater will be a part of the audience. Just having a completed, good looking film is a step-up.

 

[Legendver2]

Link for the HD copy of the teaser: https://d2hzlifut58gpa.cloudfront.n...b50e3/8393129b-1a46-4f86-ab99-4b4e209a0066/v0

By the way, more rumours:

Jim Lee and Walter Hamada really like Snyder's direction for the DCEU, apparently. They went through a labarous logistical nightmare to bring the DCEU back in line with Snyder's direction since 2018.


According to one of the fans who is constantly in touch with Snyder, full trailer in August:

I'm not exactly sure of the timeline, but I do have to say I find that hard to believe, just on the fact that I feel ZSJL seemed to pick up steam after ATT came into the picture. It just seems after Zack left due to his family tragedy, the entire of WB's DC film division just kinda lost any sense of how to move forward in terms of the overall franchise story/narrative. So they did some half assed attempt to change the entire movie to be as safe as possible, and decided on the "only standalones" route. That's probably how stuff like Joker and The Batman got off the ground maybe.

Obviously ATT came in, probably still wanted the Avengers type success, liked what Snyder was doing, and have attempted to right the ship since, taking into account new types of medium (streaming) to use as a sort of test bed since corona happening puts a wrench into plans for a similar theatrical success like the MCU.

 

[kguillou]

I don't know. I still think there are a lot of folks online who have already made up their minds that it's going to suck whether or not they see it.

And yet, the overall sentiment I’m seeing online about this whole deal seems very positive. Even Snyder’s detractors dont seem nearly as loud as they were circa 2016/2017 when there was a lot of negativity spread around his name. Maybe its because this isnt being put in theaters and this just a streaming thing but people seem genuinely curious about this.

 

[dhandler01]

One of the many advantages of HBO Max is you can check out the Snydercut without making the commitment of purchasing tickets and going to the theater. You can simply relax and flip it on. Some casual fans and non-Snyder fans who wouldn't bother to go to theater will be a part of the audience. Just having a completed, good looking film is a step-up.

Bingo. Hell some people might like it more because they invested nothing in it. Plenty of films that after watching it I say "I would have been ticked if I paid money to watch this but having a drink at my house it was enjoyable".

 

[dhandler01]

I'm not exactly sure of the timeline, but I do have to say I find that hard to believe, just on the fact that I feel ZSJL seemed to pick up steam after ATT came into the picture. It just seems after Zack left due to his family tragedy, the entire of WB's DC film division just kinda lost any sense of how to move forward in terms of the overall franchise story/narrative. So they did some half assed attempt to change the entire movie to be as safe as possible, and decided on the "only standalones" route. That's probably how stuff like Joker and The Batman got off the ground maybe.

Obviously ATT came in, probably still wanted the Avengers type success, liked what Snyder was doing, and have attempted to right the ship since, taking into account new types of medium (streaming) to use as a sort of test bed since corona happening puts a wrench into plans for a similar theatrical success like the MCU.

I think it is more that with Zack stepping away his vision was over. In truth JL was going to underperform even if Whedon doesn't put his version out because ZS was toxic at that point to everyone who wasnt a fan of his. (JL2 was almost a lock never to happen) His films were panned by critics and fans. WB knew the score and made a calculated decision to basically just end his vision and move on. In reality it was the right decision because the overall movie audience didnt want to see it. They decided to go more colorful, more ridiculous and smaller budgets. (outside Aquaman but that film blew up to make a billion cause Jason Momoa rules ) The results may have been smaller BO but the films were more liked by general audiences.

AT&T has a completely different view now though because they have a platform that can cater to a much smaller fanbase (they dont need the average moviegoer to like it) and still call it a success. Even though his films get panned and tend to underperform there is a very strong group of fans that really love his stuff. (not to mention a group like me that like them but are kind of over it and like the new directions more) AT&T realized they can have their cake and eat it too. They can still put the more "audience friendly" stuff like WW84 in the theaters and they can let the Snyder fans watch his version of Justice League (and I would assume BvS UE will be up there too as well) and that vision of the universe over and over again on HBO Max. No more competing with Marvel films (which the mass audience seems to enjoy more) now they can watch what they want and be happy with it. If it works, then it can continue.

It is important to note that timing is important in all of this. The Snyder Cut might be more liked now than before because people have a different sense of these films now. When Snyder made MOS, BvS and JL the darker elements of these films were not well liked. The masses (and the followers along with critics) only wanted 4 color Iron Man ripoffs. The films were not meant to delve deep into the issues...they were supposed to be Westerns with superpowers. Good Guys vs. Bad Guys (Batman being the exception always) with lots of jokey jokes to break up any sense of tension. Marvel made BILLIONS doing this. People who preferred a bit darker edge and more nuance were the minority. That has changed though. People seem more open to darker interpretations.

That doesnt mean the same critiques of Snyder's work wont be relevant or correct, but it might make the characters more palatable. MOS and its message about being an immigrant in America certainly has more relevance now than it did in 2013. Heroes falling from grace and rich egomaniacal businessmen destroying the world to prove their own greatness is definitely more poignant today. Maybe a Justice League where the flawed come together to fight an Evil Fascist is just what a lot of people need to see right now. If they can fix the issues in the stories (the holes) than these films could retroactively be way more important than they were when they came out.

 

[Micromind]

but none of those movie were as divisive as ZS movies. all got better reviews expect for BOP among fans and critics alike

Which is why I said varying degrees of divisiveness but still divisive and not as universally acclaimed as Thor 3.

Btw, BoP was received better than Aquaman by Critics.

 

[kguillou]

I think it is more that with Zack stepping away his vision was over. In truth JL was going to underperform even if Whedon doesn't put his version out because ZS was toxic at that point to everyone who wasnt a fan of his. (JL2 was almost a lock never to happen) His films were panned by critics and fans. WB knew the score and made a calculated decision to basically just end his vision and move on. In reality it was the right decision because the overall movie audience didnt want to see it. They decided to go more colorful, more ridiculous and smaller budgets. (outside Aquaman but that film blew up to make a billion cause Jason Momoa rules ) The results may have been smaller BO but the films were more liked by general audiences.

AT&T has a completely different view now though because they have a platform that can cater to a much smaller fanbase (they dont need the average moviegoer to like it) and still call it a success. Even though his films get panned and tend to underperform there is a very strong group of fans that really love his stuff. (not to mention a group like me that like them but are kind of over it and like the new directions more) AT&T realized they can have their cake and eat it too. They can still put the more "audience friendly" stuff like WW84 in the theaters and they can let the Snyder fans watch his version of Justice League (and I would assume BvS UE will be up there too as well) and that vision of the universe over and over again on HBO Max. No more competing with Marvel films (which the mass audience seems to enjoy more) now they can watch what they want and be happy with it. If it works, then it can continue.

It is important to note that timing is important in all of this. The Snyder Cut might be more liked now than before because people have a different sense of these films now. When Snyder made MOS, BvS and JL the darker elements of these films were not well liked. The masses (and the followers along with critics) only wanted 4 color Iron Man ripoffs. The films were not meant to delve deep into the issues...they were supposed to be Westerns with superpowers. Good Guys vs. Bad Guys (Batman being the exception always) with lots of jokey jokes to break up any sense of tension. Marvel made BILLIONS doing this. People who preferred a bit darker edge and more nuance were the minority. That has changed though. People seem more open to darker interpretations.

That doesnt mean the same critiques of Snyder's work wont be relevant or correct, but it might make the characters more palatable. MOS and its message about being an immigrant in America certainly has more relevance now than it did in 2013. Heroes falling from grace and rich egomaniacal businessmen destroying the world to prove their own greatness is definitely more poignant today. Maybe a Justice League where the flawed come together to fight an Evil Fascist is just what a lot of people need to see right now. If they can fix the issues in the stories (the holes) than these films could retroactively be way more important than they were when they came out.

Not only that, i think this was also a calculated decision to use the passionate Snyder fan base to their advantage to spread good word about their app. Look how happy everyone was after May 22nd. Instead of their twitter feeds being flooded with #releasethesnydercut it was filled with thank yous and appreciation and most importantly thousands of potential new subscribers. They got the fanbase on their side and now have a passionate voice ox to spread good word of mouth about their app. They now look like heroes after Warner Bros chose the silent approach after almost 3 years. What WB saw as an albatross AT&T saw as an opportunity.

 

[Erzengel]

If JLSC is released and the same people like it/dislike it as BvS or MOS, it's rewarding Snyder fans with $50M spent by HBO or AT&T, not a huge investment especially for how much they spent on other things.

However, I have yet to be convinced that even if this is the most streamed series/movie in streaming history how does that push for a sequel?

Shows like the Mandalorian or Stranger Things are budgeted for the smaller screen. Justice League should be Avengers/Star Wars level in terms of budget. The more expensive of the streaming shows are around the $100M area, how can a JL sequel be done for that little?

I can't understand why WB would green light even a $200M JL2 when WW84 is being sat on, because it's obvious that more money is still made in theaters than on a streaming service. So I can't see a tentpole JL2 on HBO Max or in theaters.

 

[Legendver2]

That doesnt mean the same critiques of Snyder's work wont be relevant or correct, but it might make the characters more palatable. MOS and its message about being an immigrant in America certainly has more relevance now than it did in 2013. Heroes falling from grace and rich egomaniacal businessmen destroying the world to prove their own greatness is definitely more poignant today. Maybe a Justice League where the flawed come together to fight an Evil Fascist is just what a lot of people need to see right now. If they can fix the issues in the stories (the holes) than these films could retroactively be way more important than they were when they came out.

So you're basically saying Snyder's film were ahead of its time

If JLSC is released and the same people like it/dislike it as BvS or MOS, it's rewarding Snyder fans with $50M spent by HBO or AT&T, not a huge investment especially for how much they spent on other things.

However, I have yet to be convinced that even if this is the most streamed series/movie in streaming history how does that push for a sequel?

Shows like the Mandalorian or Stranger Things are budgeted for the smaller screen. Justice League should be Avengers/Star Wars level in terms of budget. The more expensive of the streaming shows are around the $100M area, how can a JL sequel be done for that little?

I can't understand why WB would green light even a $200M JL2 when WW84 is being sat on, because it's obvious that more money is still made in theaters than on a streaming service. So I can't see a tentpole JL2 on HBO Max or in theaters.

Well, as others have said before, timing plays a big factor. I'm pretty sure the pandemic also factored into ATT's decision to green light ZSJL. Who knows when the theatrical movie industry will be back in full force again, considering AMC just came out and said it won't enforce masks on audiences. With the half assed measures being taken by the US right now to combat this thing, we're gonna be dealing with this scenario for a while. While I'm not gonna come out and say this pandemic is going to change a lot of things for the future, I can say it will at least take some time for things to get back to normal.

As far as sequels go, who says that a JL sequel has to be on streaming? And what do you even mean WW84 is being sat on? Even if they were to green light something, it would most likely be after WW84's release anyway, and after the pandemic is over, or near over. IF ZSJL is successful, followed by a successful WW84, I can see them popping out another successful solo in the same universe to get JL back on track for the big screen. There's momentum right now, and as many others have said before, all it takes is a few hits to bring this back, and ATT is giving that chance to ZSJL.