Zeitgeist

[Kent]

^ As an atheist I found the religion part extremely lacking.
At best I would say they used "artistic license" to get their point across, but it seems more correct to say they cherry picked facts, scewed facts, used facts they didn't check, and/or just plain made facts up.

Just as an example, there's mention of the birth of Christ being the 25th of December, and how that coincides with the winter solstice... problem is, there's a good reason that it does coincide with the winter solstice, and this "documentary" has it backwards... It doesn't coincide with the solstice because the Jesus myth was inspired by sun-related myths, but instead celebrations of Jesus's birth were moved (long after the supposed birth of Christ) to this date in order to placate the pagans who had their celebrations of solstice during that time, and thus wouldn't have to change their way much by accepting Christianity.

The fact that I could spot "facts" that were in error without even having to look them up was not a good sign, and when starting to look stuff up it only got worse (just check this stuff up for yourselves).

There are some good reasons to doubt the historicity of Jesus Christ (loads of really good ones if we mean the literal Jesus of the Bible, who performed miracles and so on), but most of them are not mentioned in this, while other (bad/fallacious) ones are.

I only saw the part pertaining to religion (because someone I know thought I'd be interested), but I doubt the scholarship of the rest of this "documentary" is any better. I'm sure there are some real facts strewn throughout the thing... but they're most likely few and far between.

 

[Bubonic]

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Kent you've nitpicked at the documentary without even watching the whole thing through.

Your a self-proclaimed atheist and I understand how getting facts right is an important part of that.

Your saying it was to appease pagans that the date was moved, but there seems to be different answers on that so what you think might not be fact either.

Maybe you use being an atheist the way colmes uses being a liberal lol

You should at least complete the movie, even if watching it with a grain of salt and considering if any of this might make sense, and if it does then look into it a bit deeper.

If anything, lingering on the religion part won't be useful because hardly anyone ever budges on that one.

What about the fact that the world we live in is one very nasty game of risk, very nasty and very sophisticated... To the point where they have us tuned out and almost enjoying it.

I was wondering when this disc would start getting out.
The first 1/3'rd you can just totally ignore-cause you can't concievable speak and be an authority on things that happend well over a thousand years ago...stilll

Your blind if you think this thing has NO valid points.

More proof that religion as an institution is brilliant.

Convince people that something much greater then them has complete control over their lives, has more power then they could even understand, but first preach ignorance so a quest for understanding never begins!

Reminding them of the stories of temptation, and the eternal damnation they shall suffer if they dare question the system....

At least you opened your mind to some of the rest of the documentary.

If this is all as true as the film suggests, if some of these things are uncovered in a major way (they WILL be eventually), it's going to be one hell of a bad time (much worse than right now),..

-TNC

That is one of the things that chills me the most about this... Regardless of the beautiful utopia that they presented in Addendum... The path to that would involve much more then simple boycotts...

I don't agree w/ the first third of the documentary-I don't even sit through it.

This kind of thing is what angers me the most... The outright refusal to even consider anything that threatens to make you question what you so desperately believe... I do understand that it is a very hard thing to do.

The bastardization of the word's religion has clouded the real truth,
so do your homework.
The life you may save may be your own.

If nothing else it will open your eyes to some of the ways the United States has done its own citizens.

One of the points of the movie was to look back at the bigger picture... When dealing with current history, and the foul play that we endure we should have some grasp of what sort of social processes brought us to that point.

Maybe they were trying to show how things as slippery as corporations have evolved to their current status by imitating other larger then life institutions.

me and my brother are going to show it to our extremely conservative, catholic, superficial family
at the next family meeting

How did that turn out?

JUst finished watching it and I have to say it was really well done and very informative.

As a Catholic I have to say that the first 1/3 of the film really put my faith in question with all of the similarities to the other sun gods and similarities of past religions.

But at the end of the day, you just have to go with what you believe in no matter how much or how little others support it.

I want to say thanks to Halcohol for making this thread.

Its great that you sat down and thought about it, you have your faith but you also have your free will.

But why must we always go with what we believe and perhaps not question why it is we do believe in the first place?




I know the "9/11 was an inside job" thing has been covered elsewhere, but isn't even the possibility of it being true disgusting... And when you have it laid out the way it is, isn't it engrossing how badly it seems to make sense...

 

[Copyright 2008]

It really doesn't surprise me some people just didn't watch it after the religion thing. They should have probably left that for last. I think Addedum handled the religion part better. As far as the Venus Project, I just don't know. Maybe years and years from now I can imagine that as a possibility, but they are saying they have the resources today to do it, I don't think that's very realistic.

But yeah, things first have to get a lot worse before they get to that point. Like he said "We can't just change because it sounds like a better alternative, this current system HAS to fail, citizens widespread have to lose all confidence in their elected leaders." I don't know if that process can be done peacefully.