🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

[Iceman]

Putin has to know going into Ukraine was a mistake. A very expensive one.

It was supposed to be over in a few days and has turned into the biggest mistake of his life.

 

[squeekness]

It was supposed to be over in a few days and has turned into the biggest mistake of his life.

Big time. I can't imagine he expected over 100,000 dead. Explain that to the Russian people.

 

[Iceman]

Big time. I can't imagine he expected over 100,000 dead. Explain that to the Russian people.

Not sure that part bothers him too much. More the loss of reputation, legacy, resources, power, military strength, personal security etc.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Jerusalem Post - Russia said to step up Syria airstrikes, disputes crisis at home

 

[InCali]

Lol, right? I wish he had just kept going.

A prolonged fight would have been better for Ukraine, BUT remember, there were no "good guys" in this fight. An overthrow of Putin with Prigozhin as his replacement isn't a win.

 

[squeekness]

Jerusalem Post - Russia said to step up Syria airstrikes, disputes crisis at home

How long before they run out of missiles? They have to be low, right?

 

[InCali]

Things are so freaking weird in Russia that it tends to go over our head that there was a guy who took over a military base, marched on the capital, and a deal was cut with him to serve no prison time. On the other hand, a woman was found to be carrying some hash oil and the only way she got out of prison, after spending months and months there, was to have a prisoner swap to free a convicted arms dealer who was responsible for the deaths of thousands. Try wrapping your head around that one......

 

[Iceman]

Things are so freaking weird in Russia that it tends to go over our head that there was a guy who took over a military base, marched on the capital, and a deal was cut with him to serve no prison time. On the other hand, a woman was found to be carrying some hash oil and the only way she got out of prison, after spending months and months there, was to have a prisoner swap to free a convicted arms dealer who was responsible for the deaths of thousands. Try wrapping your head around that one......

It’s full corruption and absolutely no regard for the lives of civilians. Anything goes once that mindset is adopted along with the ability to enforce what they want.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Moscow has stepped back from civil war with Wagner. But the danger's not over, experts warn | CNN

 

[squeekness]

Not much good news there.

 

[Iceman]

Putin and Wagner boss not seen for more than 36 hours as mystery grows over whereabouts (msn.com)

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[squeekness]

Putin is just trying to save face, lol.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

NY Times - Russian General [Sergei Surovikin] Knew About Mercenary Chief’s Rebellion Plans, U.S. Officials Say
Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of Wagner, may have believed he had support in Russia’s military.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

NOELreports: "Among Americans, support for providing weapons to Ukraine has increased sharply from 46% in May to 65% now, Reuters writes. 81% of Democrats, 56% of Republicans and 57% of independents support the transfer of military aid." Reuters - Most Americans support US arming Ukraine, Reuters/Ipsos poll shows

 

[squeekness]

NY Times - Russian General [Sergei Surovikin] Knew About Mercenary Chief’s Rebellion Plans, U.S. Officials Say
Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of Wagner, may have believed he had support in Russia’s military.

I was thinking he did because he got pretty far unopposed......

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

NY Times - Russian General [Sergei Surovikin] Knew About Mercenary Chief’s Rebellion Plans, U.S. Officials Say
Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of Wagner, may have believed he had support in Russia’s military.

USA Today - Russian general interrogated amid Putin's 'large-scale purges' after botched coup: Live updates

 

[squeekness]

USA Today - Russian general interrogated amid Putin's 'large-scale purges' after botched coup: Live updates

I thought Putin wasn't going to charge anyone for the coup, or maybe that was just words, too.

 

[Sithborg]

I thought Putin wasn't going to charge anyone for the coup, or maybe that was just words, too.

I mean, they aren't going after Wagner itself, which I am beginning to suspect he gave to Lukashenko so that he wouldn't have to prop him up as much anymore, and focus more on Ukraine.

Now, for the people in the Ministry of Defense who gave Prigozhin the confidence he could march into Moscow unimpeded? Oh, they are getting purged. Right out the window.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Scripps News - Visual evidence highlights costs of Wagner revolt in Russia
Following Wagner leader's relocation to Belarus, neighboring Poland has said it's tightening border security and asking for help from the E.U.

Scripps News - [Former U.S. Vice President] Pence makes surprise visit to Ukraine, meets with Zelenskyy
Former Vice President Mike Pence, who announced his candidacy for president this month, made the surprise visit to Ukraine on Thursday.

Biden administration could soon approve sending controversial cluster munitions to Ukraine | CNN Politics

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

CNN - Russian Gen. Sergey Surovikin was secret VIP member of Wagner, documents show

 

[squeekness]

Scripps News - Visual evidence highlights costs of Wagner revolt in Russia
Following Wagner leader's relocation to Belarus, neighboring Poland has said it's tightening border security and asking for help from the E.U.

Scripps News - [Former U.S. Vice President] Pence makes surprise visit to Ukraine, meets with Zelenskyy
Former Vice President Mike Pence, who announced his candidacy for president this month, made the surprise visit to Ukraine on Thursday.

Biden administration could soon approve sending controversial cluster munitions to Ukraine | CNN Politics

Whatever it takes to keep Ukraine from falling is fine with me.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Jennifer Jacobs: "Scoop: EU leaders have zeroed in on an option to aid Ukraine reconstruction: a windfall tax on frozen Russian central bank assets, per sources. US is looped in on EU’s plan to cautiously explore this despite the range of complex issues on the sanctioned assets. @AlbertoNardelli"

NY Times: “The Biden administration asked Ukrainian officials not to conduct covert attacks inside Russia as the Wagner group rebellion was underway and advised them not to do anything that would influence the outcome of events or take advantage”

 

[squeekness]

I love the idea of making Russia pay reparations to Ukraine, even indirectly. Ukraine is going to need a lot of Reconstruction.

 

[:eek:]

Wagner boss warned to be on alert and 'stay away from windows' after coup - Daily Star