🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

[DA_Champion]

Soooooooo,,,,,,,Ukraine is responsible for this whole mess because they didn't negotiate with him? There's nothing wrong with negotiating trade and so forth, but if a neighbor is trying to take over your country, what's to negotiate? That's why I gave the examples I did......neighboring countries. Putin evidently has the right to tell another country what they can and can't do? Ukraine wasn't marching on Moscow.

No, Ukraine and Ukrainians are not responsible, they're just the latest in a long line of countries (Iraq, Vietnam, etc) that has suffered due to Western interference and regime change operations.

Ukraine's people voted for Zelensky, by a 72% margin, when he ran on a platform of peace. That's what the people of Ukraine wanted: peace and coexistence with both Russia and the West.

But because the country's government is run by the West, he was coopted, he did things like shell the civilian populations in Donetsk and Lugansk, and ban the Russian language.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

So it's the West's fault Putin is invading Ukraine?

 

[InCali]

So it's the West's fault Putin is invading Ukraine?

Evidently......Putin would have never attacked Crimea or the rest of Ukraine 2 years ago if only the US hadn't......uh.....

This is NOT your parents Vietnam or Iraq......they were attacked by the US. Talk about false equivalents.....

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah how dare Zelensky not give half his country to Russia, what a western-indoctrinated d**k

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Tucker Carlson interviewed Putin, and boy, did that go off the rails fast

Former Fox News pundit Tucker Carlson released his interview with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin on Thursday evening, and it turned out to be the one thing no one expected: hilarious. During the two-hour program, Putin spent more than 50 minutes...

www.dailykos.com

 

[squeekness]

Polish leader says US Republican senators should be ashamed for scuttling Ukrainian aid

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk says that U.S. Republican senators should be “ashamed” for leaving about $60 billion in wartime aid for Ukraine in limbo in a recent vote.

apnews.com

They should be. Jerks!

 

[blueharvest]

Canadians won't be fooled by Putin propaganda on Ukraine, Trudeau says

Canadians are too smart to fall for Russian propaganda about the war in Ukraine, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday. Trudeau made the remark after he was asked about Russian President Vladimir Putin's recent interview with Tucker Carlson.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[InCali]

Canadians won't be fooled by Putin propaganda on Ukraine, Trudeau says

Canadians are too smart to fall for Russian propaganda about the war in Ukraine, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday. Trudeau made the remark after he was asked about Russian President Vladimir Putin's recent interview with Tucker Carlson.

www.ctvnews.ca

Unfortunately a lot of Americans aren't (too smart to be fooled).......

 

[blueharvest]

Gift Article: If Russia Wins

Republican obstructionism could lead to global disaster.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[blueharvest]

Trump Encourages Putin to Attack NATO Members

At a rally on Saturday, the former president announced he would tell the Russians “to do whatever the hell they want” to states delinquent in their bills.

www.theatlantic.com

"We should concentrate on the more terrifying problem, a reality that exists independent of Trump’s imaginary ‘sir’ conversations: The leader of one of America’s two major political parties has just signaled to the Kremlin that if elected, he would not only refuse to defend Europe, but he would gladly support Vladimir Putin during World War III and even encourage him to do as he pleases to America’s allies,” Tom Nichols writes.

 

[squeekness]

Trump Encourages Putin to Attack NATO Members

At a rally on Saturday, the former president announced he would tell the Russians “to do whatever the hell they want” to states delinquent in their bills.

www.theatlantic.com

"We should concentrate on the more terrifying problem, a reality that exists independent of Trump’s imaginary ‘sir’ conversations: The leader of one of America’s two major political parties has just signaled to the Kremlin that if elected, he would not only refuse to defend Europe, but he would gladly support Vladimir Putin during World War III and even encourage him to do as he pleases to America’s allies,” Tom Nichols writes.

I'm not sure we can survive another term of Trump in office.

 

[Iceman]

Trump Encourages Putin to Attack NATO Members

At a rally on Saturday, the former president announced he would tell the Russians “to do whatever the hell they want” to states delinquent in their bills.

www.theatlantic.com

"We should concentrate on the more terrifying problem, a reality that exists independent of Trump’s imaginary ‘sir’ conversations: The leader of one of America’s two major political parties has just signaled to the Kremlin that if elected, he would not only refuse to defend Europe, but he would gladly support Vladimir Putin during World War III and even encourage him to do as he pleases to America’s allies,” Tom Nichols writes.

A second Trump term would be 40 times as scary and have much more dire consequences. Putin will have hit the jackpot if this happens.

 

[squeekness]

A second Trump term would be 40 times as scary and have much more dire consequences. Putin will have hit the jackpot if this happens.

He's going to win and we're all going to die.

 

[blueharvest]

He's going to win and we're all going to die.

Hopefully he won't win. Hopefully there's still millions and millions of voters in this country that still like democracy and will vote for Biden.

 

[blueharvest]

Fate of Avdiivka uncertain as Ukrainian forces defending it struggle with fortifications, resources

Editor's note: The full names of the soldiers introduced in the story are not disclosed due to security concerns amid the ongoing war in Ukraine. DONETSK OBLAST – As artillery began pounding the cold-hardened ground ahead of them, two Ukrainian soldiers listened warily to shell impacts creep...

kyivindependent.com

 

[DA_Champion]

Evidently......Putin would have never attacked Crimea or the rest of Ukraine 2 years ago if only the US hadn't......uh.....

This is NOT your parents Vietnam or Iraq......they were attacked by the US. Talk about false equivalents.....

The Western,-controlled Kiev regime was committing ethnic cleansing in the Donbass, and was preparing to invade Crimea. The US has also acknowledged that they were building bioweapons labs in the Ukraine.

 

[InCali]

The Western,-controlled Kiev regime was committing ethnic cleansing in the Donbass, and was preparing to invade Crimea. The US has also acknowledged that they were building bioweapons labs in the Ukraine.

Preparing to INVADE CRIMEA?!?!?!

Yur killin' me.

 

[DA_Champion]

Preparing to INVADE CRIMEA?!?!?!

Yur killin' me.

Show a bit of empathy for the people who live in Crimea: they speak Russian, they're ethnically Russian, their faith is the Russian Orthodox Church, and they voted to remain part of Russia.

From a Western source:

A survey in May 2013, asked respondents what language they spoke at home:[30]

• 82% Russian
• 10% Crimean Tatar
• 3% Russian and Ukrainian equally
• 3% Russian and another language equally
• 2% Ukrainian

Note that the proportion of people in the survey who gave their ethnicity as Ukrainian was 20%, Crimean Tatar 15%.[30]

Alternatively, listen to CNN ;-)

 

[InCali]

Show a bit of empathy for the people who live there: they speak Russian, they're ethnically Russian, their faith is the Russian Orthodox Church, and they voted to remain part of Russia.

Alternatively, listen to CNN ;-)

Well, Crimea certainly WAS invaded. I guess, given the circumstances, that was okay........

 

[squeekness]

Hopefully he won't win. Hopefully there's still millions and millions of voters in this country that still like democracy and will vote for Biden.

I want to believe this, I do, but some days I get really scared.

 

[:eek:]

Russia building 20-mile-long "tsar train" barrier in eastern Ukraine: ISW

The train structure may be designed as a defensive line against future Ukrainian assaults, said a U.S.-based think tank.

www.newsweek.com

 

[blueharvest]

Musk Predicts Putin Can’t Lose in Ukraine, Opposes Senate Bill

Elon Musk told US Republican senators “there is no way in hell” that Russian President Vladimir Putin could lose the war on Ukraine, weighing in on a conflict that has been affected by Musk’s own Starlink satellite services.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[blueharvest]

Romney stating what should be obvious to everyone.

 

[blueharvest]

EU moves toward using profits from frozen Russian assets for Ukraine

Brussels and G7 could use money generated by the frozen funds to rebuild the war-struck country.

www.politico.eu

 

[:eek:]

Russia has grown stronger over year and has advantage in war – Norwegian intelligence chief

Vice Admiral Niels Andreas Stensønes, the head of the Norwegian Defence Intelligence Service, has said that over the past year, Russia has significantly strengthened its positions and succeeded in conducting combat actions against Ukraine despite international sanctions.

news.yahoo.com