10.10 - Luthor - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Mike_D202]

I'm pretty positive that Ultraman flew. For one, Ultraman is very confident in himself and isn't afraid of where he's going.

Clark is still unsure of himself and is afraid of what's going to happen to him.

 

[DavidB1111]

He did say, "Looks like I made it back in the nick of time."

I can't just be a shout-out. It has to be the Lionel from Season 1-4, with the "good Lionel" from season 5-7 being the Earth-2 one. I sense a major retcon.

At the same time I can't shake the nagging feeling they're making Lionel Luthor into SV's Walter Bishop.

When he said "Looks like I made it back in the nick of time." It lead into his breaking the fourth wall.

The entire sequence of dialogue after "No, Unexpected visit." was non-canon because it led to the fourth wall being broken.

You don't break the fourth wall and keep it in canon. Unless you feel like getting rid of the fourth wall completely. And that's really confusing unless you're playing Metal Gear Solid. "Put the Playstation controler on the floor." Pyscho Mantis

He wasn't Lionel when he started the nick of time dialog, he was John Glover.

That said, they can't make that big of a retcon, because then they'd lose all their fans.

And probably be tarred and feathered.

 

[Mike22]

Thought it was a good episode. Wish they would've combed Welling's hair different for Ultraman.

Yeah, I was hoping for that as well.

I HATE Welling's hair in Smallville. The guy is not a kid anymore. He is in 20s (show, not reality) why can't they give him a more mature cut. He looks like a big azz kid with all that Donnie Osmand hair. Makes no sense. If I were Welling, I'd demand to have my hair cut, style, something lol. I be d**ned if Green Arrow coming up in here with all that moose, gel, and Jersey Shore ish, and I can't cut my hair after 8 or 9 seasons lol.

You know, I really have to agree, even though on my part, I wouldn't call it outright hate, because sometimes they do get it somewhat right.
There have been a few times where they got almost down to perfection though, and IMO the hair from "bulletproof" in season 8 I think, was just perfect, very supermanly. And the hair from "bride" in the beginning where he's talking to the camera with Lois was a good look. But other than that, they usually mess it up, at least according to what I want it to look like.

This man's stuck in the Power Ranger's paradox lol. He has to wear blue and red and keep the same look the whole series. This ain't a cartoon.

This is another thing that's been annoying me. Why with all the damn red and blue. I know it's the color of the suit, but he doesn't HAVE to wear them in every.single.episode. It would have been a lot more interesting if they had him wear regular clothes though out the episodes and ONLY have him wear a blue shirt when he saved someone etc.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea alt lionel wa no dam retcon. he was in his wold his whole life to clark used the box. And the 4th wall stuff was a speaking on how glover been gone for yrs and two being in this universe is new fpr him.

 

[Midnight Black]

LMFAO!!! dude you nailed it on the head...great jersey shore reference...
all we need now is Ollie telling Clark he cant' fight the darkness cuz he's GTL'n lol...

...thank you LOL

he's gonna be typecast? dude, this is Superman... anyone who plays the part is automatically typecast for life.

I don't know. If he did more work or changed his look, he could have a pretty good career. He would just need to do some very different roles. Maybe loose a lot or gain a lot of weight or shave his head in his next roles. Actors become typecast when they do not try to distance themselves early from parts they are known for, or they let others put them in a box.

Yeah, I was hoping for that as well.

You know, I really have to agree, even though on my part, I wouldn't call it outright hate, because sometimes they do get it somewhat right.
There have been a few times where they got almost down to perfection though, and IMO the hair from "bulletproof" in season 8 I think, was just perfect, very supermanly. And the hair from "bride" in the beginning where he's talking to the camera with Lois was a good look. But other than that, they usually mess it up, at least according to what I want it to look like.


This is another thing that's been annoying me. Why with all the damn red and blue. I know it's the color of the suit, but he doesn't HAVE to wear them in every.single.episode. It would have been a lot more interesting if they had him wear regular clothes though out the episodes and ONLY have him wear a blue shirt when he saved someone etc.

Hate is strong....it's more annoying than anything else. I just can't stand to look at dude with that hair. Yea there have been a few episodes where his hair was okay, but for the most part they just need to allow him to change his look. More like the comics or something. Poor guy looks like he still carries a lunch box, thermos included lol.

Yea alt lionel wa no dam retcon. he was in his wold his whole life to clark used the box. And the 4th wall stuff was a speaking on how glover been gone for yrs and two being in this universe is new fpr him.

It's Lionel from Ultra world.

 

[Webhead2006]

I know that is what i was getting at

 

[Midnight Black]

Got ya.

 

[Prison Mike]

I wonder where Chloe was in this AU world.

 

[DavidB1111]

Probably just about the same as Lois, except she never made it big?
I don't know, instead of making it just like Ultra-man, they made the Alternate Universe be slightly different. I wanted more Crime Syndicate of Amerika.

Also, yeah, Oliver was like Owlman in this universe. I half expected him to say that he was.

Whatever, it works for Smallville. I just hope they don't try to change Darkseid.

You can change Ultraman, but you can't touch Jack Kirby's characters.

They just probably had a change to gold k in the alt world where it doesn't strip his power forever. Maybe it was a short time removal. And lex used it then to brand the luthor mark on him. Which probably was a factor in why alt clark murder him later.

Uh, I mentioned the part about how Gold K would only strip away his powers for a short time. But however they did it, once the influence of Gold K wears off, that scar would heal instantly.

The only way he could have that scar still is if Gold K was still in his system.
So, until someone corrects me, I will state for the record that it was Plot convenience Gold K.

Just like how Red K could turn Clark into an ant-headed leader of giant ants, back in the Silver Age.
It's just plot convenience. That's not a bad thing. I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
But that's the point I'm making.

Also, thank you for realizing what I meant about Alt Lionel.
There will be no retcon for the fourth wall breaking.


Now that they mentioned Gold, will we get a mention of Pink Kryptonite?
"I must say, Jimmy, you look smashing in that bowtie."

 

[Daybreak_st]

I'm pretty positive that Ultraman flew. For one, Ultraman is very confident in himself and isn't afraid of where he's going.

Clark is still unsure of himself and is afraid of what's going to happen to him.

I may just be wrong but i still don't think he flew. Our clark has done super jumps for some time, just think of the DP globe save in the premiere for this season, it's a super jump with a slowed down landing. Looked at the clip again and the shadow goes up then he crashes into the ceiling. I think it was a super-jump. I still could be wrong.

Whatever, it works for Smallville. I just hope they don't try to change Darkseid.

Pretty sure that boat has already sailed, he's now a dark cloud that posses people and has no form of his own (at least not since the season opener). I don't think that's what Jack Kirby had in mind and i've never seen anything like that in the comic. Maybe in Final Crisis it was similar but this is def a huge Smallville change to the character.

Uh, I mentioned the part about how Gold K would only strip away his powers for a short time. But however they did it, once the influence of Gold K wears off, that scar would heal instantly.

The only way he could have that scar still is if Gold K was still in his system.
So, until someone corrects me, I will state for the record that it was Plot convenience Gold K.

Just like how Red K could turn Clark into an ant-headed leader of giant ants, back in the Silver Age.
It's just plot convenience. That's not a bad thing. I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
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My guess is any injury sustained while affected by Gold K is permanent. That way you dont' have worry with the SA idea that a kryptonian's powers are stripped forever but you also don't have the cheesy idea in the comics now that it takes away their powers for 15mins. In Smallville Blue K already takes away his powers without killing him. so gold k leaves a permanent mark for whatever reason.

 

[SpideyVille]

I wonder where Chloe was in this AU world.

I'll tell you where she wasn't .. Oliver's bed.

 

[darkzombiemutt]

I just assume that the gold K damages cells, allowing them not to heal like they normally would. Like Lex cut him with a gold K knife, not that he was cut by something while near gold kryptonite.

 

[Webhead2006]

Would have been cool if they did the csa. But they probably wanted to focus on a singluar story with alt clark/lionel. Plus not having other hero actors around and all that. So hard to use them. Plus budget/time/story restrictions and all that.

 

[KALEL114]

I just assume that the gold K damages cells, allowing them not to heal like they normally would. Like Lex cut him with a gold K knife, not that he was cut by something while near gold kryptonite.

This.

 

[Webhead2006]

That is how I would take gold k usage in alt world. But we don't know for sure since it was just a line shout out and we didn't get more info on it.

 

[Prison Mike]

I'll tell you where she wasn't .. Oliver's bed.

 

[DarKJediKnight]

I'm just wondering how did Oliver, Tess and Lois cornered Mirror Clark in that one spot before the real Clark was transported back?

And maybe Mirror Lionel would become Darkseid's vessel.

 

[KALEL114]

They had a bunch of Kryptonite weapons. It looked like one Hell of a confrontation.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea they probably got lucky and were able to whip out kryto weapons after one heck of a fight probably. As for alt lionel I doubt he will be vessel for darkseid. I doubt lionel will be part of darkseid plot. I will say his minions probably create a body for him or find some duce exis(spelling?) Device that will give him a body. My gjess on reason he is a spirit form is probably a few decades ago he lost his body in a fight but some how his essence survived and that was trapped somewher in hyperspace to clark accidentally freed him.

 

[elgaz]

I don't think he lost his body, Darkseid is much too powerful for that to be a likely explanation - Superman at his prime is just about a match (physically) for Darkseid. He's a new God, the chances of anyone beating him are minimal.

I take it everyone is aware that one of Darkseid's powers is the ability to project psionic avatars in whatever form he wants? It seems that is what he is doing here. His body is back on Apokolips, and he is mentally projecting himself in various etheral forms on Earth.

This of course ties in with Darkseid's typical approach in the comics - he very rarely takes part in altercations or 'missions' himself, preferring to sit back and observe whilst his minions do the work.

 

[blksuperman2]

I'm just wondering how did Oliver, Tess and Lois cornered Mirror Clark in that one spot before the real Clark was transported back?

And maybe Mirror Lionel would become Darkseid's vessel.

I thought that the red glow in the "Real" Watchtower was something like a Red Sun beam stripping Ultraman of his powers. It was coming from the same spot that "Alt" Ollie had the Kryptonite beam.

Ultraman didn't count on "Real" Watchtower having an arsenal of weapons to kill the Kandorians or in this case him.

 

[Webhead2006]

I guess they cluld do it that way. We wont know to we get more on darkseid.

 

[N7 Joseph Shepard]

Uh, I mentioned the part about how Gold K would only strip away his powers for a short time. But however they did it, once the influence of Gold K wears off, that scar would heal instantly.

The only way he could have that scar still is if Gold K was still in his system.
So, until someone corrects me, I will state for the record that it was Plot convenience Gold K.

what could have happened was, Clark somehow lost his powers, Kryptonite or maybe even Jor-El taking them again...........whatever the chase may be.

In that time Clark is given that scar on his arm, it heals normally while still not having powers, then after its already healed and formed that scar on him he re-gains his powers somehow.

It was shown in the comics when Kandor was re sized that if you had a scar already, being exposed to the yellow sun didnt change it or completely heal it, they had a guy running around using heat vision with one eye cause his other eye was covered by a scar he got in a war lol

 

[Midnight Black]

Makes sense...but I say let us simply it and say that Gold K and Green K, weakened him and scarred him.

 

[Webhead2006]

All logicial ideas guys.