9.15 - Conspiracy - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[SrsBsns]

My feelings on Chloe are...

I really liked Chloe up until the end of season 8 (I think the exact episode was "Beast" when she closed the Phantom Zone meant for Davis). Before that point, she was always there to try and help guide Clark, kind of like how Johnathan and Martha did but from the perspective of a friend. I honestly believe that the writers, while they clearly have stepped their writing up the past two seasons, just aren't very good at keeping...consistency with their lead female characters. Ex: Lana, and now Chloe.

Lana's character was liked early on but season by season, she became worse and worse. It seems like Chloe is going down the same road. Since when did she suddenly lose all trust in Clark? That scene took me right out of the show.

Anyways, I still enjoyed the episode. Didn't think it was amazing but definitely was entertained. Possibly the best scene was the Clark/Zod scene in the bookstore.

 

[Webhead2006]

there really isnt a need to kill chloe off, i perferably as i said in other threads that it would be better to just write the character off. We dont need to kill another dam character. That is smallville's oldest thing to do. I rather her just be written away and live. Then killed off because it would be a stupid way to end the character. Plus killing off the first created for show character would just be as i said an old move for smallville. If they could write lana away, pete away, and martha they could easily do that for allison too.

 

[Doc Ock]

I love Chloe....so I will defend her by saying...well I don't know what to say. I don't think she should be killed off, she can leave but I don't really want her to die.

 

[SrsBsns]

It's never too late for Lois to die and have Chloe change her name lol

 

[LostSon88]

Don't even joke like that.

 

[LostSon88]

I just don't like Chloe's implication that Clark's faith in people is a weakness. That is one of Superman's greatest strengths.

She really pissed me off when she brought that up with Oliver in regards to Clark and his Kandorian family.

 

[bored]

It's never too late for Lois to die and have Chloe change her name lol

Actually, Lois's little sister, who is also named Lois, will be the Lois Lane who eventually marries Clark Kent.

 

[B]

Actually, Lois's little sister, who is also named Lois, will be the Lois Lane who eventually marries Clark Kent.

If anything remotely similar to what you are suggesting happens.. (again), I'm gonna take a plane to Vancouver & headbutt each & every one of the writers... then goto CW headquarters wherever that is & headbutt everyone in the building... Dawn Ostroff twice.

 

[TheLongestDay]

Actually, Lois's little sister, who is also named Lois, will be the Lois Lane who eventually marries Clark Kent.

hahahahaha!!t:

 

[badboy00z]

The thing that really irks me is how they keep referring to the Kandorians getting their "powers back." These Kandorians never had any powers, ever. They were cloned when they were still on Krypton, and then regrown or whatever on Earth but started out powerless, so what exactly are they getting back? And why such a drive for them when they've never at any time had them to begin with?

I was thinking the same thing. They're all so hell bent on getting powers but they never had them to begin with.

And how would the tower give them powers? The tower filters the sun's light making it red to make Clark powerless. Red sun light shouldn't give the kandorians powers just like back on Kyrpton.

 

[Prison Mike]

I was thinking the same thing. They're all so hell bent on getting powers but they never had them to begin with.

And how would the tower give them powers? The tower filters the sun's light making it red to make Clark powerless. Red sun light shouldn't give the kandorians powers just like back on Kyrpton.

they're clones. so I guess their physiology is the reverse of Kryptonians?

I don't know. I think the writers were drunk when they were figuring out the specifics...

 

[lespaul59]

My thing is why is Clark the only Kryptonian that had to grow into his powers? I get Zod not that I think about it because his powers come from Clark's blood. But then you have Kara who has all of her powers within the first few episode and has only been exposed to the yellow sun for no more than a few months. I guess what bothers me is than they don't seem to follow the growing into their powers unless it's Clark. If thats been retconed away thats fine but they could either explain a reason on the show or just say in an interview that they did away with it for story purposes. And I think the Kandorians get their powers from the red sun because in the episode with Joe-El and Zod on Krypton there is mention of Jor-El altering their DNA. But unless I missed it or I'm just forgetting it how did the Kandorians figure out the red sun gives them their powers? I also agree that Chloe shouldn't die but rather right her off in a way that you can still like.

 

[Webhead2006]

well from the altered future it was probably due to the change of the yellow sun to red and some other stuff in the towers and tests on themselfs that was how they were able to unlock powers. We dont really know. As for the whole kryptonians and powers as it been stated many times over if a kryptonian embraces his/her kryptonian self fully they have control over all their powers. That is why others can fly and what not. While clark cant/doesnt yet.

As for lois's sister her name is lucy not lois lol.

 

[dru-zod2501]

Zod flying after a few hours or days... It's crap that makes me

but how is that different from anything else on this show? not a damn way at all

 

[ariellem]

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Way.Too.Gross. I want Superman, not horror movies! :-P

since the solar towers are gone now, he has to become a threat in some other form. Someone mentioned that maybe Clark gives his blood to Zod when he gets shot and somehow through magical Smallville powers, Zod gets his powers...

B-I-NGO! Nice call, "Someone".

This is one of the aspects of Smallville I don't like. When Clark flies, it won't be like "Wow he can fly", it'll be "It's about damn time." It's like a 3 year old learning how to walk.

Unhappily true.

It was cool learning more about Faoroa and why she is with zod and we also learn she has a sister called vala who was with the kandorians too. Looks like she has a little crush on clarkie boy.

Again, "bad" femmes who like Clark. A common thread in Supes media. Glad everyone here pointed out Faora's name - it didn't click while I was actually watching it that this soldier was Zod's wife and the future mother of Doomsday.

The kidnap guy was very creppy. He had a very cool look...the deal with his head was pretty dam sick. But looked very cool. So cudos on the smallville makeup guys.

Extremely gross and creepy :-< I did not enjoy that. But yes, the makeup guys did their jobs well.

...it was cool to see that checkmate via amanda waller is still being played up with her not showing up in the episode. So it was neat to see the phone call and lois giving them the sample of the kandorian blood...

Totally didn't remember the Amanda Waller/Checkmate connection, although the chess piece looked familiar. Too many hours of the Olympics between watching the Waller eps & this one! When I saw "the Wall" on Lois' phone, I was thinking it was an alias for Chloe because of her Wall of Weird.[/quote]

Also i first thought there was going to be some chloe/ollie loving going on. But i glad there wasnt.

And Chloe was so looking forward to getting Ollie! You could see it all over her face.

The kidnap guy ...lab was freaky as hell with all the tools and all that. Poor news to the two other kandorians he killed for body parts.

Too, too gross. I'm really sick of TV shows and movies sawing off limbs and displaying them all bloody.

And boy did i and i sure alot of other fans wonder if zod would get powers or not due to that. I was kinda hoping it wouldnt.

Hoping it wouldn't - so say we all. As soon as Clark started to drip, I was going, "Nooooo! That can't be good!"

But the end scene with clark and zod on the roof ...i totally knew zod was lying and had powers. So this should be an interesting change in things now that zod has powers.

It was obvious to everyone but Clark that Zod was lying. I'm sure he'll kick himself next week when he finds out how Zod got his powers, but we know he won't kill Zod, so will Chloe or Ollie save the day with that K stockpile? Will Zod try to use his own blood to empower the Kandorians? If so, will it work? If he doesn't use his own blood or if that doesn't work, will Zod kidnap or trick Clark so he/they can use Clark's blood?

Those of you who wanted an explanation of Alia having powers in the Yellow sun and not now? Well maybe in the alternate timeline she got a hold of Clarks blood

Or maybe she's a grown-up Alia from Dune and that's why she has blue eyes and powers.

...in the Zombie episode when they used Clark's blood to cure everyone, Zod and the Kandorians immediately presumed that that blood sample would be the key to their powers.

...but Tess had the sample destroyed before they could get their hands on it. He even confronted Tess about it.

Thanks for the reminder.

they're clones. so I guess their physiology is the reverse of Kryptonians?

I don't know. I think the writers were drunk when they were figuring out the specifics...

LOL @ drunk writers! altered clones -> Kandorians are semi-Bizarro Kryptonians.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Overall this was an unexpected episode for me . I thought it was going to be a typical rip-off of Saw, Close Encounters, etc... I'm glad to be proven wrong .

Key stars
1. Clark - Continues to embody the qualities of Superman (Befriending the Kandorians, Saving his enemy life, etc.) And he's improved in his skills as a reporter using his status as a journalist to retrieve useful information from a source .

2. Zod - He really knows how to play the manipulation game with a dramatic flair. I love that final scene on the rooftop of the Daily Planet with Kal-El followed by Zod taking flight over the city of Metropolis .

3. Lois - Even thought unknowingly she become the pawn of Amanda Waller, Lois continues to connect more and more to her comic book counterpart . I hope their's a scene in the near future that Lois turns the tables on Waller .

So is Chloe now taking the contingency approach like Batman would ?(Prepare for the worst, Have a back up a plan, do whatever is necessary to overcome the odds.) looks like it .

And what's Oliver's deal ? Hasn't he learn his lesson yet ?

 

[Superfreak]

I just don't like Chloe's implication that Clark's faith in people is a weakness. That is one of Superman's greatest strengths.

She really pissed me off when she brought that up with Oliver in regards to Clark and his Kandorian family.

This Clark is not superman, or anywhere near Superman.

This Clark actually needs human sidekicks because he is still too ignorant of his powers (this is the Clark that allowed doomsday to get within 50 feet of him before even sensing him).

Chloe is the only reason Clark has remained on any sort of 'good' path.

Yes, she's been the annoying nagger for pretty much most of the series,,, but it's generally because Clark has serious issues... and given that this is a person who can think and act faster than the human eye can see, he must be ******ed in some Kryptonian way, and need a human who can point him in the right direction.

Lois is useful for that, once Clark grows his kryptonian gonads... but until then, Chloe is going to be annoying us, by covering and motivating Clark.

 

[greenlantern248]

I believe the red sun aspect is explained with the blue kryptonite in their blood, so the red sun will reverse the effects of the blue K and give them powers. I think I'm not really sure but its the only thing I could come up with

Plus about the getting their "powers back" plot, remember back in the episode where we met Lara they explained that their were portals open to earth and they closed them right before the war. So maybe Zod and some of his army have been on earth before and had powers then,

 

[The Caped Knight]

Request Gifs of Zod's first Flight in episode. I want to compare it to the previous displays of the power of flight (Jor-EL, Kal-EL, Lex/Zod, Martian Manhunter, Bizarro, Kara, Brainiac, Zor-El, Legion Of Superheroes, Hawkman, & Warrior Angel )

 

[flash13]

I liked this episode, pretty good overall didn't surprise me like Idol and Persuasion though.

 

[Prison Mike]

This Clark is not superman, or anywhere near Superman.

This Clark actually needs human sidekicks because he is still too ignorant of his powers (this is the Clark that allowed doomsday to get within 50 feet of him before even sensing him).

Chloe is the only reason Clark has remained on any sort of 'good' path.

Yes, she's been the annoying nagger for pretty much most of the series,,, but it's generally because Clark has serious issues... and given that this is a person who can think and act faster than the human eye can see, he must be ******ed in some Kryptonian way, and need a human who can point him in the right direction.

Lois is useful for that, once Clark grows his kryptonian gonads... but until then, Chloe is going to be annoying us, by covering and motivating Clark.

I disagree. I think Clark would remain on a good path whether Chloe was there or not. You give her too much credit and not enough to Clark. I think we could all agree that Clark had a diplomatic solution to defeating Doomsday without anyone getting hurt. But it was Chloe who stopped his plan and inadvertantly made things worse. Also, if it wasn't for Clark then Brainiac would have killed Chloe last season and pretty much destroyed the world. Now I have no idea why Chloe feels she can't trust Clark. I was also disappointed Ollie decided to keep their plan a secret until "the time is right" (which probably means the last 5 minutes of the season finale).

 

[Syncos]

I disagree. I think Clark would remain on a good path whether Chloe was there or not. You give her too much credit and not enough to Clark. I think we could all agree that Clark had a diplomatic solution to defeating Doomsday without anyone getting hurt. But it was Chloe who stopped his plan and inadvertantly made things worse. Also, if it wasn't for Clark then Brainiac would have killed Chloe last season and pretty much destroyed the world. Now I have no idea why Chloe feels she can't trust Clark. I was also disappointed Ollie decided to keep their plan a secret until "the time is right" (which probably means the last 5 minutes of the season finale).

I actually interpreted this differently in my second viewing than i did the first. Yes, she says she doesn't want Clark's affiliation with the Kandorians to guide his judgement, and doesn't want to rely on his moral compass, but i think it was herself that she was blaming for doomsday when she said she didn't want another doomsday situation to happen.

 

[Prison Mike]

I actually interpreted this differently in my second viewing than i did the first. Yes, she says she doesn't want Clark's affiliation with the Kandorians to guide his judgement, and doesn't want to rely on his moral compass, but i think it was herself that she was blaming for doomsday when she said she didn't want another doomsday situation to happen.

she better have been!

 

[Eros]

This Clark is not superman, or anywhere near Superman.

This Clark actually needs human sidekicks because he is still too ignorant of his powers (this is the Clark that allowed doomsday to get within 50 feet of him before even sensing him).

Chloe is the only reason Clark has remained on any sort of 'good' path.

Yes, she's been the annoying nagger for pretty much most of the series,,, but it's generally because Clark has serious issues... and given that this is a person who can think and act faster than the human eye can see, he must be ******ed in some Kryptonian way, and need a human who can point him in the right direction.

Lois is useful for that, once Clark grows his kryptonian gonads... but until then, Chloe is going to be annoying us, by covering and motivating Clark.

Clark is essentially superman without the Red and blue costume, and the flying. He has fought many of "supermans" foes already, and met many other superheroes, and is even worked with and part of the "justice League". He superman, he just hasnt realized it yet.

 

[GhostPoet]

My feelings on Chloe are...

I really liked Chloe up until the end of season 8 (I think the exact episode was "Beast" when she closed the Phantom Zone meant for Davis). Before that point, she was always there to try and help guide Clark, kind of like how Johnathan and Martha did but from the perspective of a friend. I honestly believe that the writers, while they clearly have stepped their writing up the past two seasons, just aren't very good at keeping...consistency with their lead female characters. Ex: Lana, and now Chloe.

Lana's character was liked early on but season by season, she became worse and worse. It seems like Chloe is going down the same road. Since when did she suddenly lose all trust in Clark? That scene took me right out of the show.

Anyways, I still enjoyed the episode. Didn't think it was amazing but definitely was entertained. Possibly the best scene was the Clark/Zod scene in the bookstore.

Interesting...I sort of feel the opposite. Ever since her experience with Brainiac...the character's gotten darker and darker. Willing to bend the rules Clark made for himself. I felt that her wanting to hide things from Clark was a very natural progression from one who trusted him completely to someone who feels it's in the best interest of everyone, including Clark to keep things hidden from him.