12 killed in Colorado shooting at Dark Knight Rises premiere - Part 2

[The Squirrel]

Did the NRA pay for this? Is this NRA counter spin in action? I THINK SO!

I don't know, I just thought it was interesting.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Its terms of service bans the sale of “anything who’s purpose is to harm or defraud, such as stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of mass destruction.” Look it up.

They aren't sold on the specific site I referred to, but they are out there. You can get anything on the internet if you look hard enough.

 

[Darthphere]

An Entertainment Weekly article just referred to this as the Dark Knight massacre.

Don't further shame the film and those involved with it by slapping it's name on the tragedy. Call it the movie theater massacre, call it the Aurora massacre, hell call it the "James Holmes was a psychotic little **** with way too much fire power" massacre. But let's leave the Dark Knight out of it. That kid wasn't the Joker.... he didn't even get the hair right.

It's not even accurate, it's The Dark Knight Rises massacre.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Jon Stewart did a segment on Monday showing all of the "too soon!" comments being made on the cable news networks this weekend in regard to gun control, and how they nearly all changed the subject to why theaters should ban costumes from screenings. You know, the real problem.

Yeah, because you know... guns don't kill people. Costumes kill people.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

It's not even accurate, it's The Dark Knight Rises massacre.

I've heard it more as the Batman Massacre over The Dark Knight Rises massacre. Also, there have been more Aurora Theater and Movie Theater massacre references as well.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

I've seen Terror in Theater 9 on the news couple times.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

An Entertainment Weekly article just referred to this as the Dark Knight massacre.

Don't further shame the film and those involved with it by slapping it's name on the tragedy. Call it the movie theater massacre, call it the Aurora massacre, hell call it the "James Holmes was a psychotic little **** with way too much fire power" massacre. But let's leave the Dark Knight out of it. That kid wasn't the Joker.... he didn't even get the hair right.

I mean, it's an accurate description.

Let's not get our fanboy feelings hurt over this, how people feel about a film is incredibly irrelevant.

 

[Spade]

"Batman Shooting" was popular, mostly because news reporters are all old and hadn't asked their kids what the new Batguy movie is actually called.

 

[Anita18]

I mean, it's an accurate description.

Let's not get our fanboy feelings hurt over this, how people feel about a film is incredibly irrelevant.

It's not an accurate description. Batman did not kill anybody, nor did this guy claim he was acting as a representative of the movie besides whatever he was spewing about Joker. He's just an evil SOB.

There has never been precedence for this particular kind of thing, but most massacres have been named by their locations. The Aurora shooting or even "movie theater shooting" (to go along with the term "school shooting") would be more apropo than "Batman massacre." Cause "Batman" is even on kid's friggin' lunch boxes and it's really a disservice to everyone who makes their living from or is a fan of Batman.

I mean, are these companies out to get WB/DC financially here? That's the only reason I can see why some news media is still using that term. CNN stopped after the first day, undoubtedly after some phonecalls from WB.

 

[jmc]

You Americans have an odd logic and frankly disturbing attachment to guns. I just don't get it.

 

[Anita18]

You Americans have an odd logic and frankly disturbing attachment to guns. I just don't get it.

Stephen Colbert can explain his relationship with his gun Sweetness.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/229347/june-01-2009/guns-in-national-parks

 

[Kable24]

Hunting is primarily a recreational thing now. If we can ban dodgeball from schools we can ban hunting.

Maybe hunting is a recreational thing where you come from, but here in PA, it's how a lot of people put food on their tables. The first day of buck season, a lot of schools and businesses are closed because they have a lot of hunters. Hunting keeps the deer population in check. Keeping the deer population controlled helps farmers because deer will destroy crops. Circle of life and all that.

 

[GregComicFan]

Speaking of gun control....

I'm a cop. I live in Maryland. Maryland has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. However, courts just struck down Maryland's "good and substantial reason" clause for people wishing to get concealed carry permits. Prior to today, Marylanders had to submit a good and substantial reason on their applications for concealed carry permits (basically they had to explain why they feel threatened enough to need to carry a concealed firearm).... this was over-turned. Now Marylanders don't need to worry about this when applying for a concealed carry permit.

So as of today or a few days ago (I forgot which day this week the court overturned the practice), Maryland became a bit LESS restrictive.

Just food for thought, or FYI if you live in Maryland.

 

[DBryan]

Did anyone else send an email to that Charles Hurt ***?

 

[Kable24]

Speaking of gun control....

I'm a cop. I live in Maryland. Maryland has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. However, courts just struck down Maryland's "good and substantial reason" clause for people wishing to get concealed carry permits. Prior to today, Marylanders had to submit a good and substantial reason on their applications for concealed carry permits (basically they had to explain why they feel threatened enough to need to carry a concealed firearm).... this was over-turned. Now Marylanders don't need to worry about this when applying for a concealed carry permit.

So as of today or a few days ago (I forgot which day this week the court overturned the practice), Maryland became a bit LESS restrictive.

Just food for thought, or FYI if you live in Maryland.

That's great news for Marylanders.

 

[mrvlknight21]

Has any one ever bought a gun off the black market? I know some guys that are into some shady stuff but getting guns are hard and expensive.

No, it is neither hard or expensive. See post #401 of this thread.

The only people who build up a large arsenal of guns are insane.

Wow. Offensive, uninformed blanket statement.
You have already been asked...what do you consider to be a "large arsenal?"
I know some people with over 100 guns, many of them would be incorrectly classified by the media as "assault rifles." None of them would I consider to be insane, in fact, several of them have had to pass psychological testing to get the jobs that they currently hold.

Either way, ridiculous statement is ridiculous.

 

[mrvlknight21]

It is more difficult. The ease of access on a legal market will always beat an illegal one simply because one has the support of the state to operate and it has zero risk in obtaining the merchandise. Cho and Holmes got their weaponry through perfectly legal means because it was the easiest, most logical choice for them. They didnt bother with a black market because they didnt have to. From your example, it seems as though you have a greater chance of raising a flag through a secret agent in the black market than building your arsenal through legal means. It is simply easier to do things legally than illegally if you have the choice because the state has greater reach and power than any individual. Its like the state was patting Holmes and Cho in the back for doing the right thing after they obtained their supplies with the intent of killing.

Yes, they did purchase their guns legally. However, if they had been precluded from being able to purchase, using the "black market" is a cheaper, viable option.
And yes, you could alert authorities by purchasing a firearm on the black market...after all, that is why it is considered a black market. Im sure that would not have stopped Holmes anyways, because he had his mind set on doing this and carefully planned the details. He wouldnt let something as silly as a law stop him.
That said, if these sting operations that I mentioned earlier caught roughly 300 people over 5 years.....how many do you think were not caught? The truth about crime...most crimes in fact, is that the police only catch a percentage of these people. Believe it or not, the "black market" is a rampant business in any mid-large size city.

This again solidifies my point, which was that using the black market to get a firearm is cheaper and not very difficult.

 

[Kable24]

No, it is neither hard or expensive. See post #401 of this thread.




Wow. Offensive, uninformed blanket statement.
You have already been asked...what do you consider to be a "large arsenal?"
I know some people with over 100 guns, many of them would be incorrectly classified by the media as "assault rifles." None of them would I consider to be insane, in fact, several of them have had to pass psychological testing to get the jobs that they currently hold.

Either way, ridiculous statement is ridiculous.

I buy my .223 ammo in bulk. It's a lot cheaper in the long run to buy 1000 rounds of .223 than boxes of 20 or 100.
I guess I'm insane because I currently have about 1700 rounds of .223, 4000 rounds of .22lr, 200 rounds of .45ACP, 100 rounds of 9mm and 50 rounds of 12 gauge.

I'm pissed that this thread has come back around to gun control again. I love how the uninformed know more about guns and what is best for me with said guns.

My guns have never assaulted anyone. They've assaulted pumpkins, paper targets, cans, water bottles, axe body sprays and shaving cream cans.

I guess every so many pages we need to repeat ourselves

 

[mrvlknight21]

I buy my .223 ammo in bulk. It's a lot cheaper in the long run to buy 1000 rounds of .223 than boxes of 20 or 100.
I guess I'm insane because I currently have about 1700 rounds of .223, 4000 rounds of .22lr, 200 rounds of .45ACP, 100 rounds of 9mm and 50 rounds of 12 gauge.

I'm pissed that this thread has come back around to gun control again. I love how the uninformed know more about guns and what is best for me with said guns.

My guns have never assaulted anyone. They've assaulted pumpkins, paper targets, cans, water bottles, axe body sprays and shaving cream cans.

I guess every so many pages we need to repeat ourselves

It appears that we (experienced gun owners familiar with gun laws in our respective states) do have to repeat facts and first hand personal experience.

I mentioned earlier that buying ammo in bulk is no different than buying other supplies from Sam's Club or Costco in bulk (because someone said anyone who buys 6,000 rounds is a terrible hunter or up to no good).
Its cheaper and if you know that you will use it and have room for it, then its a no-brainer.
Also, a lot of my personal friends would consider 6,000 rounds to be "running low."



EDIT: Just to be clear, I have no issue discussing gun control law changes or other possibly needed alterations to state or national laws.
HOWEVER, so far in this thread I have either directly or by default been called "as dumb as the shooter" "insane" and some of my opinions have been called "dumb" "ridiculous" and "stupid" as well. Its kind of difficult to listen to what the other person has to say when you are either being called names or are the one hurling insults.

 

[Kable24]

It appears that we (experienced gun owners familiar with gun laws in our respective states) do have to repeat facts and first hand personal experience.

I mentioned earlier that buying ammo in bulk is no different than buying other supplies from Sam's Club or Costco in bulk (because someone said anyone who buys 6,000 rounds is a terrible hunter or up to no good).
Its cheaper and if you know that you will use it and have room for it, then its a no-brainer.
Also, a lot of my personal friends would consider 6,000 rounds to be "running low."

I buy a lot because when I go to the range, I take friends with me. So I tend to go through ammo quickly. In fact I was thinking of ordering another case of .223 and especially 9mm since I'm really low on that.

Come on now. We gun owners are unstable according to the masses. Because one person went on a shooting spree all 80 million of us crazy gun owners were cheering him on.

 

[Mandalore464]

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[danoyse]

It appears that we (experienced gun owners familiar with gun laws in our respective states) do have to repeat facts and first hand personal experience.

I mentioned earlier that buying ammo in bulk is no different than buying other supplies from Sam's Club or Costco in bulk (because someone said anyone who buys 6,000 rounds is a terrible hunter or up to no good).
Its cheaper and if you know that you will use it and have room for it, then its a no-brainer.
Also, a lot of my personal friends would consider 6,000 rounds to be "running low."



EDIT: Just to be clear, I have no issue discussing gun control law changes or other possibly needed alterations to state or national laws.
HOWEVER, so far in this thread I have either directly or by default been called "as dumb as the shooter" "insane" and some of my opinions have been called "dumb" "ridiculous" and "stupid" as well. Its kind of difficult to listen to what the other person has to say when you are either being called names or are the one hurling insults.

And....a few months ago, a woman explaining the medical need for birth control was called a "****" by a radio blowhard and people (not necessarily here, but in general) defended him, and added further name-calling and utterly clueless misinformation to the debate. It's not just gun owners who get characterized as the wrong thing.

 

[terry78]

You Americans have an odd logic and frankly disturbing attachment to guns. I just don't get it.

We're stocking up for the day we add you and the UK to our empire. Don't tell nobody.

 

[Greens]

If that "kill the cast" thing is true.... Wow. I know what actually happened is really bad but just imagine how crazy that would be.

 

[zanos]

It's not an accurate description. Batman did not kill anybody, nor did this guy claim he was acting as a representative of the movie besides whatever he was spewing about Joker. He's just an evil SOB.

There has never been precedence for this particular kind of thing, but most massacres have been named by their locations. The Aurora shooting or even "movie theater shooting" (to go along with the term "school shooting") would be more apropo than "Batman massacre." Cause "Batman" is even on kid's friggin' lunch boxes and it's really a disservice to everyone who makes their living from or is a fan of Batman.

I mean, are these companies out to get WB/DC financially here? That's the only reason I can see why some news media is still using that term. CNN stopped after the first day, undoubtedly after some phonecalls from WB.

Precisely. We don't want the public mistakenly believing Batman was the one who shot up the theater full of people. Gotham is already hunting him, he doesn't need false accusations on top of that!