6 Raw Foodists Look Decades Younger

[KevanG]

Easy there kids, we don't need another version of what happened in the Jesus thread.

 

[Alex_Spider]

B12 is a vitamin. Vitamins aren't alive. Microorganisms are, by definition, alive.

I'm sorry for the tone earlier, but there were two options:

1) You were lying.

2) You were talking about something you know absolutely nothing about.

I find either scenario to be highly objectionable, especially given the context of this thread.

Furthermore, according to the NIH, plants and plant-derived foods do not contain vitamin B12 unless they are fortified.

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminB12-QuickFacts/

http://www.mckinley.illinois.edu/handouts/vitamin_b12/vitamin_b12.htm

What is vitamin B12?
Vitamin B12, also known as cobalamin, is made by bacteria. Animals eat food containing these bacteria, and then the animals become sources of vitamin B12.

That's what I meant.

Most of which are the result of you spouting off unsubstantiated claims. It's become a pattern.

I never said that plants produce B12. I said it lives in the dirt or soil where animals get it from. Check again my original post.

Ah, there is a large misconception about the B12 myth. We don't get it solely from animals really . B12 is a microorganism that lives in dirt and where the veggies grow and that's where animals are getting it too. We even produce a small amount of it in our own body

 

[Alex_Spider]

Easy there kids, we don't need another version of what happened in the Jesus thread.

What happened there?

 

[KevanG]

People went crazy, mods got involved and it's a big mess. Check the Atheism thread for more details.

 

[Alex_Spider]

People went crazy, mods got involved and it's a big mess. Check the Atheism thread for more details.

Thanks. Wasn't expecting that though.

 

[Doctor Evo]

I never said that plants produce B12. I said it lives in the dirt or soil where animals get it from. Check again my original post.

I saw exactly what you wrote. The context of your response suggested that a deficiency of B12 in vegan diets without supplementation is a myth. If you were not suggesting that plants are a potential source of B12, then you are suggesting that these microorganisms comprise a substantial portion of the vegan diet. All evidence suggests that they are not, given the link I provided.

If you were suggesting neither of these things, then you were suggesting that the amount of B12 produced by human gut flora is enough to prevent B12 deficiency. It is not.

If you were suggesting none of these things, then your post was arbitrary and asinine, given the post to which you were responding.

 

[Alex_Spider]

I saw exactly what you wrote. The context of your response suggested that a deficiency of B12 in vegan diets without supplementation is a myth. If you were not suggesting that plants are a potential source of B12, then you are suggesting that these microorganisms comprise a substantial portion of the vegan diet. All evidence suggests that they are not, given the link I provided.

If you were suggesting neither of these things, then you were suggesting that the amount of B12 produced by human gut flora is enough to prevent B12 deficiency. It is not.

If you were suggesting none of these things, then your post was arbitrary and asinine, given the post to which you were responding.

By the term "B12 myth", I was refering to the notion that B12 comes only from animals and that they are the only source of B12 which is clearly not the case. I wasn't trying to imply that we can get it from plants. Vegans are not the only ones defficient on B12 anyways. There are cases of meat eaters too. It is more a derivative of today's polluted and stresful way of life. Fortunately supplements can take care of this problem.

 

[Doctor Evo]

By the term "B12 myth", I was refering to the notion that B12 comes only from animals and that they are the only source of B12 which is clearly not the case. I wasn't trying to imply that we can get it from plants.

Which makes the point arbitrary and asinine, as I said.

 

[Godzilla2000]

I do eat meat but I don't look my age or so I've been told. I think the key to looking younger is not so much diet but genetics and whether or not you avoid habits that put stress on your body's regenerative ability.

 

[Alex_Spider]

I do eat meat but I don't look my age or so I've been told. I think the key to looking younger is not so much diet but genetics and whether or not you avoid habits that put stress on your body's regenerative ability.

Yeah, genetics have a lot to do also. I know firsthand because I am 30 now but my face looks like 20 something and that is not very appealing to women especially those of my age
But I think food plays a large role though as excersicing on a regular basis of course in order to stay healthier and fit.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

I looked like a 90 year old when I was 20.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Report from CNN news at 20 sec. on new research at the negative effects of eggs for the public health.

Quote from a CNN reporter, not some hippy vegan fanatic:
"Are eggs the new cigarettes?"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfvdypnAgg

 

[NickNitro]

Why less fun? What's wrong with being associated more to a cute rabbit than a cold hearted carnivore?


lol whatever makes you happy.

Yeah, but I bet they had a lot less fun.

I'd rather live 70-80 fun as hell years, then 100 years being a rabbit.

Because genetics? We were meant to eat meat. The end.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

But we don't have to eat meat...we can live without it.

I'm not a vegan, but I think people should eat less meat, and more plants. Some people only eat meat and potatoes. I don't think that's very healthy...and we should avoid meat from those evil factory farms.

I know some vegans can be annoying, preachy and incredibly arrogant (I call the worst of them "Diet New Atheists")... but some meat eaters are close minded, "macho" bullies (Westboro Baptist Carnivores). I wouldn't want any of those guys as dinner guests.

 

[NickNitro]

When you say meat, do you mean fast food meat, or grass fed beef? Because they are two completely different things.

 

[Teelie]

The reason is (as they claim) because it is not healthy in the long term, hence the artery clogged fat, carcinogenesis, allergic reactions, heart diseases etc. and on the other hand there is the compassion motive.

Furthermore, according to the NIH, plants and plant-derived foods do not contain vitamin B12 unless they are fortified.

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminB12-QuickFacts/

Because genetics? We were meant to eat meat. The end.

After all, no other animal cooks its food, and humans only started cooking after the domestication of fire. But "natural" is always a dangerous word. Humans have evolved to eat and survive on a wide range of diets. The Inuit have survived thousands of years almost entirely on a diet of raw fish and meat. Some cultures, conveniently in regions of prolonged growing seasons, shun all meat as unnatural.

That said, humans have always eaten some cooked food. So, too, do many land animals; and so did our human ancestors. How? Largely in the form of roasted grasshoppers or other small critters caught in forest fires and brushfires. Fire foraging was quite natural and helped secure our survival. This is how we developed the taste for cooked food.

Cuttng out the emotional heart-string tugs and other useless tripe from Alex's post (think of the children cows!), combining these four quotes with this one kind of lends credence to the "it's ********" conclusion of "raw" vegans.

Meat has always been a part of our diet. Just because some farmers are unscrupulous and abusive does not make eating meat itself the same thing.

It's also false that meat by itself causes all these diseases. Most of them are in fact caused by the processing of them, not the meat itself. Fresh, unprocessed meat is healthy. Of course like everything else it needs moderation. Drink enough water and it'll drown you.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Cuttng out the emotional heart-string tugs and other useless tripe from Alex's post (think of the children cows!), combining these four quotes with this one kind of lends credence to the "it's ********" conclusion of "raw" vegans.
Meat has always been a part of our diet. Just because some farmers are unscrupulous and abusive does not make eating meat itself the same thing.

Come on, there aren't that many emotional heart-string tugs in my posts
On a serious note though, why is compassion towards animals being devalued and mocked so much? What gives us the right to take a life of an animal even in the most painless way. Does that sit well with you, just because it won't suffer a painful death?
And it's not only some dirty farmers, it is the majority of the farm industry like that.

 

[The Endless]

I don't have a problem with it. It's the circle of life. Cows exist to be eaten and to be milked. Chickens exist to be eaten and to lay eggs. What other purpose do they have?

Are you going to chastise a Lion for ripping a Zebra to shreds? Or a Python for suffocating and swallowing a baby deer?

 

[Teelie]

Come on, there aren't that many emotional heart-string tugs in my posts
On a serious note though, why is compassion towards animals being devalued and mocked so much? What gives us the right to take a life of an animal even in the most painless way. Does that sit well with you, just because it won't suffer a painful death?
And it's not only some dirty farmers, it is the majority of the farm industry like that.

It's actually quite the opposite. I think animals should be given more value and dignity than they do and often they are compared to the hit pieces done by vegan groups. They are cherry-picking the worst offenders that you, PETA, vegans and etc. do and represent them as the majority that causes such an aggressive reaction to the attempt to Sarah McLachlan us with seranades of "Angel" about the abuses against animals.

Despite the claims that your ilk make, the majority are not like that. But I don't expect that mindset to change even if it can be proven. Most of the farmers I've known, they treat their animals better than PETA does (who just go on and euthanize them rather than care for them then dump them in the trash). You would then move onto what gives us the right. Which leads to...

What gives us the right though? Nature. Nature is far less kind and gentle to animals that are killed and eaten by other animals. Do you think a lion gives a **** how that zebra feels as it's killing it? Or if a shark will think twice about biting off a seals flippers so it can bleed to death before being eaten? Spiders dissolve their prey alive from the inside out.

And you call humane slaughtering dispassionate and cruel.

 

[NickNitro]

Come on, there aren't that many emotional heart-string tugs in my posts
On a serious note though, why is compassion towards animals being devalued and mocked so much? What gives us the right to take a life of an animal even in the most painless way. Does that sit well with you, just because it won't suffer a painful death?
And it's not only some dirty farmers, it is the majority of the farm industry like that.

Dude, thats ****ing nature. Beings kill other beings to survive, even on the molecular level organisms consume others to survive.

 

[The Endless]

A plant is also a living being. Who says a carrot isn't in pain when you're chopping it up or peeling it's skin?

 

[Godzilla2000]

Because genetics? We were meant to eat meat. The end.

Humans are omnivores which means that we eat both plant matter and meat products. Even chimpanzees have been spotted eating smaller mammals like rodents and even smaller monkeys. So some meat is good for a healthy diet. I've been trying to stay away from red meats but I love fish and poultry products.

 

[Erzengel]

If cows, chicken and fish weren't made for eating, they wouldn't be so delicious.

 

[The Endless]

If cows, chicken and fish weren't made for eating, they wouldn't be so delicious.

Exactly haha. But don't forget pigs. Mmmmm bacon *drools*

 

[Alex_Spider]

It's actually quite the opposite. I think animals should be given more value and dignity than they do and often they are compared to the hit pieces done by vegan groups. They are cherry-picking the worst offenders that you, PETA, vegans and etc. do and represent them as the majority that causes such an aggressive reaction to the attempt to Sarah McLachlan us with seranades of "Angel" about the abuses against animals.

Despite the claims that your ilk make, the majority are not like that. But I don't expect that mindset to change even if it can be proven. Most of the farmers I've known, they treat their animals better than PETA does (who just go on and euthanize them rather than care for them then dump them in the trash). You would then move onto what gives us the right. Which leads to...

What gives us the right though? Nature. Nature is far less kind and gentle to animals that are killed and eaten by other animals. Do you think a lion gives a **** how that zebra feels as it's killing it? Or if a shark will think twice about biting off a seals flippers so it can bleed to death before being eaten? Spiders dissolve their prey alive from the inside out.

And you call humane slaughtering dispassionate and cruel.

Dude, thats ****ing nature. Beings kill other beings to survive, even on the molecular level organisms consume others to survive.

You are forgetting though that animals in nature kill to survive and for self defence. Not for sport or to satisfy a guilty pleasure. We are not animals. We possess intelligence which we can use it wisely, from a social standpoint to improve our lives to the choices we make on our diet.

So, "the law of the jungle" doesn't necessarily apply to humans. Especially in today's modern world.
Of course we can never agree because I have accepted the fact or the studies that we can survive perfectly without any meat, hence my point that there is no reason to humans associated with the wild animals that kill out in nature.