6 Raw Foodists Look Decades Younger

[Goshdarn Batman]

Was he an old member here? Never heard of him before. Is his ban permanent?

I'm not sure, but yes, he's banned for good.

 

[Alex_Spider]

"today sir, we have a lovely grass fed vegan dish, he was extra *****ey to his non vegan friends and died choking on a kale leaf"

"hmm that does sound tasty, I think I'll have that"

Come on seriously, I wasn't being any extra *****ey to any of you now..was I?

 

[KevanG]

Did no one watch my video? That makes me sad.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Did no one watch my video? That makes me sad.

What video?

 

[KevanG]

This reminds me of a song:

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I recommend everyone listen to it as I feel it is very important for us all to hear another side to the vegan issue.

You don't have to, I was just trying to be funny.

 

[Alex_Spider]

You don't have to, I was just trying to be funny.

lol OK t:

 

[NickNitro]

Come on seriously, I wasn't being any extra *****ey to any of you now..was I?

I wasn't speaking directly about you lol. not at all. it was just a funny scenario i was making up.

 

[Alex_Spider]

But we don't have to eat meat...we can live without it.

I'm not a vegan, but I think people should eat less meat, and more plants. Some people only eat meat and potatoes. I don't think that's very healthy...and we should avoid meat from those evil factory farms.

I know some vegans can be annoying, preachy and incredibly arrogant (I call the worst of them "Diet New Atheists")... but some meat eaters are close minded, "macho" bullies (Westboro Baptist Carnivores). I wouldn't want any of those guys as dinner guests.

Exactly. We have the privilege to make a choice, contrary to the animals that don't.
Ahh, we 're harmless and cute if you get to now us better I mean, we love animals and the planet. Imagine how much we love humanity
We love those 3 equally. Isn't that the message of Jesus and religion? We' re just putting it into practice.

When you say meat, do you mean fast food meat, or grass fed beef? Because they are two completely different things.

Well, both actually. As much as "clean" a beef is it is still not healthy. Now, don't jump on me I am only referring to studies that support that. If you don't agree with that or think they are just lies, then fine. I'm just saying that they exist. And never mind the fact that it is not feasible nor practical to provide grass fed beef for a population of billions. There will have to be slaughter farms that don't have any form or regulation or healthy measures.

 

[Teelie]

There aren't any studies I know of that support a claim "clean beef" is bad for you. Of course I mean those not funded by some animal-rights vegan activist group.

 

[Alex_Spider]

There aren't any studies I know of that support a claim "clean beef" is bad for you. Of course I mean those not funded by some animal-rights vegan activist group.

Not all of those studies are funded by some "animal-rights vegan activist group" you know. Funny though, cause I got a feeling that the same analogy applies to the studies that show that "clean beef" is good for our health. Who's funding them? Oh, but the Meat & dairy industry of course.

I don't need any kind of proof any ways that meat is bad for my body. I still wouldn't eat if it didn't harm me. The plants and fruit provide me more than enough and make me more happy when they go in my stomach. I don't like the idea of resorting to killing cute harmless animals just to satisfy my pleasure. That's just me though.

 

[Feenix]

Ah, yes, the whole cute animals deserve to live schtick.

Millions of animals are killed every year to prepare land for growing crops like corn, soybean, wheat and barley, the staples of a vegan diet.

Would you feel less bad about animals being killed if they were ugly?

Some animals, like the seals up north in Canada, need to be hunted and eaten by humans, otherwise their population grows too large and they end up competing with humans and other animals in the region for fish. It throws off the ecosystem, because seals are actually a pest.


Oh and industrial farming/agriculture is one of the worst contributors to the destruction of the environment (which animals are a part of).

 

[Alex_Spider]

Ah, yes, the whole cute animals deserve to live schtick.

Um, yeah animals deserve to live whenever that's possible and in our power. Every single one of them. Cute and ugly ones. Oh, and here's a hint. Just because we can't prevent some animals from being killed, that doesn't mean that it is OK for us to keep killing every other animal especially when that is not necessary at all.

Millions of animals are killed every year to prepare land for growing crops like corn, soybean, wheat and barley, the staples of a vegan diet.

Billions of animals are being slaughtered every year, so we can eat them and wear their skin. And we are wasting crop land to feed them, while we could provide to people across the world that die of starvation.

Would you feel less bad about animals being killed if they were ugly?

Some animals, like the seals up north in Canada, need to be hunted and eaten by humans, otherwise their population grows too large and they end up competing with humans and other animals in the region for fish. It throws off the ecosystem, because seals are actually a pest.

I would need more evidence to that, than simply a claim. Maybe I'll google it to save you the trouble.

Oh and industrial farming/agriculture is one of the worst contributors to the destruction of the environment (which animals are a part of).

You wanna talk about who's the worst contributor of energy and enviroment destruction?
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/549

In Central America, 40 percent of all the rainforests have been cleared or burned down in the last 40 years, mostly for cattle pasture to feed the export market—often for U.S. beef burgers…. Meat is too expensive for the poor in these beef-exporting countries, yet in some cases cattle have ousted highly productive traditional agriculture.
—John Revington in World Rainforest Report

The Center for International Forestry Research reports that rapid growth in the sales of Brazilian beef has led to accelerated destruction of the Amazon rainforest. “In a nutshell, cattle ranchers are making mincemeat out of Brazil’s Amazon rainforests,” says the Center’s director-general, David Kaimowitz.
—Environmental News Service

Waste disposal, like water supply, seemed to have no practical limitations. There were always new places to dump, and for centuries most of what was dumped either conveniently decomposed or disappeared from sight. Just as you didn’t worry about how much water a cow drank, you didn’t worry about how much it excreted. But today, the waste from our gargantuan factory farms overwhelms the absorptive capacity of the planet. Rivers carrying livestock waste are dumping so much excess nitrogen into bays and gulfs that large areas of the marine world are dying (see Environmental Intelligence, “Ocean Dead Zones Multiplying,” p. 10). The easiest way to reduce the amount of excrement flowing down the Mississippi and killing the Gulf of Mexico is to eat less meat, thereby reducing the size of the herds upstream in Iowa or Missouri.

Giant livestock farms, which can house hundreds of thousands of pigs, chickens, or cows, produce vast amounts of waste. In fact, in the United States, these “factory farms” generate more than 130 times the amount of waste that people do.
—Natural Resources Defense Council

According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, livestock waste has polluted more than 27,000 miles of rivers and contaminated groundwater in dozens of states.
—Natural Resources Defense Council

Nutrients in animal waste cause algal blooms, which use up oxygen in the water, contributing to a “dead zone” in the Gulf of Mexico where there’s not enough oxygen to support aquatic life. The dead zone stretched over 7,700 square miles during the summer of 1999.
—Natural Resources Defense Council

Even if we accept that both animal farming and industrial agriculture pollute the environment equally, it would be saner and more logical to resort to the latter one to reduce at least the destruction of the environment.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Especially with the advent of urban farming systems, that require minimum energy consumption and are very efficient, we will be soon growing fresh greens in our cities. This is the future. Not wasting food acre and energy to feed animals that will be slaughtered afterwards and fill our oceans and land with their filthy guts and blood. This is how the NASA personnel is planning their future missions. Sustainable, clean, green farming systems to provide the astronauts all the nourishment and nutrients they need. That's what we should apply here on Earth too.

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