80s X-Men comic Predicts 9/11 (with Video)

[Holy spirit]

I made a short video showing an 80s X-men no.189 comic that depicts September 11 terrorist aftermarth. A character speaks about a future that has not happened yet where the twin towers fell and many died in the event. Even some of the drawings are very much like the photographic scenes including direction of smoke.

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[Phaedrus45]

 

[Themanofbat]

I love how you make the claim that while the comic itself was inspired by creativity, it also may have lent a hand in the realism that was 911.

So if you're telling me that I have to live in a world that is without thought, ideas and creativity in order to be safe... then I'm telling you that I'd rather risk.

 

[KangConquers]

One of my favorite bands, Wilco, recorded an album called Yankee Hotel Foxtrot that accidentally seems to foreshadow a lot of 9-11 in it's lyrics. The twin towers were kind of an obvious target. They'd been attacked before, so it's not like some mystery why the terrorists chose them; biggest buildings in the biggest city in the United States. I'm sure we can find hundreds of fictional references to them being attacked.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

One of my favorite bands, Wilco, recorded an album called Yankee Hotel Foxtrot that accidentally seems to foreshadow a lot of 9-11 in it's lyrics. The twin towers were kind of an obvious target. They'd been attacked before, so it's not like some mystery why the terrorists chose them; biggest buildings in the biggest city in the United States. I'm sure we can find hundreds of fictional references to them being attacked.

Yeah, in Spider-Man #16, Spider-Man teams with X-Force to stop Juggernaut and Black Tom from blowing up the WTC...

 

[KangConquers]

Yeah, in Spider-Man #15 and #16, Spider-Man teams with X-Force to stop Juggernaut and Black Tom from blowing up the WTC...

If you'd asked any high ranking military official what would be the ultimate place for a terrorist attack, after the White House, it'd probably be the WTC. The shocking thing was not the idea, but the fact they were able to pull it off.

 

[Anubis]

Oy, the Internet and crazy people.

 

[Harlekin]

That was pretty inane.

As to the Spider-Man thing: that wasn't a 'coincedence', as you put it. That scene actually featured the twin towers, a scant five months after they were taking down. Besides the fact that the scene simply wouldn't fit in the post-9/11 world, it would most likely have led to negative reactions.

 

[iloveclones]

Wow, what a complete waste of time and effort.

 

[prince_dylan]

yeah, the 90's WTC story hits even harder. that was a multi-issue story that had mutant terrorists actually bring down one of the towers. i ran into that after the fact and was immediately mystified.

 

[Holy spirit]

With creativity and ideas I am saying that the Human mind can use fictional war and terror through art and filming techniques as a form of expression or an idea to tell a story, be it real or be it fiction. Some people find hate first from within and they become vengeful with a mission to creat and imagine and do real horrid crimes. Crime is an almost a creative thought process, it needs planning. Anything in life needs planning and a forethought to produce an action. Some people imagine a world where there might be a nuclear war and some in those positions of power are that more more closer to reality in being able to do it. Some want to, some just imagine it might happen, it does not mean they are both the same process and intention.

It probably does not take a lot of imagination that the Twin Towers would be hit, well by one plane was a possible thought but two is harder to have to have believed during that day. Lots of people must have thought it was possible that a plane could hit the towers, even the architects thought of it in terms of design plans what if one did hit. It's not a very big idea to come up with it I agree in form of targets but using the planning and imagination to actually bring it about is where creativity of story telling and creativity of history making through real acts of war is where the line ends. They ate the Big Apple on this one.

 

[UK_Stu]

With creativity and ideas I am saying that the Human mind can use fictional war and terror through art and filming techniques as a form of expression or an idea to tell a story, be it real or be it fiction. Some people find hate first from within and they become vengeful with a mission to creat and imagine and do real horrid crimes. Crime is an almost a creative thought process, it needs planning. Anything in life needs planning and a forethought to produce an action. Some people imagine a world where there might be a nuclear war and some in those positions of power are that more more closer to reality in being able to do it. Some want to, some just imagine it might happen, it does not mean they are both the same process and intention.

It probably does not take a lot of imagination that the Twin Towers would be hit, well by one plane was a possible thought but two is harder to have to have believed during that day. Lots of people must have thought it was possible that a plane could hit the towers, even the architects thought of it in terms of design plans what if one did hit. It's not a very big idea to come up with it I agree in form of targets but using the planning and imagination to actually bring it about is where creativity of story telling and creativity of history making through real acts of war is where the line ends. They ate the Big Apple on this one.

whoh, what the hell does any of that mean? I was going to critique but I'm not sure I understand any of it.

 

[Phaedrus45]

whoh, what the hell does any of that mean? I was going to critique but I'm not sure I understand any of it.

That's what I was thinking. It's almost as if Holy Spirit is saying that by creating the "thought" you are making it a "reality." It follows along the line that if everyone in the world thought of world peace at once, you can create that to be. (Of course, this has all been preached before, whether you're reading "new age" books, like Conversations With God, or the stuff that Oprah shoves at the masses, like The Secret.)

He's trying to say something, but it's all so flimsy, that it reminds me of when I used to BS my way through essays in college. Basically, these superheroes are based in New York, and what stood taller than the twin towers. It's not great writing or creative to necessarily take the most noticable thing and show them being destroyed. After all, look at many of the disaster movies...how many dang times do we have to see a movie destroy the Statue Of Libery! It's been going on since The Planet Of The Apes. (The first one, of course...not that lousy Tim Burton remake!)

 

[Mr. Green]

Here's a video for ya:

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5WlQ54Sg0[/YT]

I like this music a lot better...

 

[Holy spirit]

I am not going to look at Mr.Green's video link, I can imagine what type of humour it will turn out to be on a website like this.

I really do not know how to explain it on here, I find it hard to make people understand my direction of opinion. Maybe I sound angry when I write I don't know. I think the name Holy Spirit does something in changing how people see me maybe its my caption, although I explain things in philosofical ways its just my nature when I write.

All I am saying is people can have good intentions and thoughts about creativity. A knife can be used to put butter on bread or it can be used kill. In the end it depends how far people go with ideas of action.

I did not in anyway way say the comic book inspired anything, the video did not say it at all.

It's a hard website trying to exaplain something deep without ridicule.

See KangConquers has the idea of how this post should be responded, I really don't know how it gets so personal and distorted. Anyway thanks for the replies.

 

[Harlekin]

It's not the philosophical nature of your work that confuses us. It's your sentence structure and word choice.

 

[Themanofbat]

I am not going to look at Mr.Green's video link, I can imagine what type of humour it will turn out to be on a website like this.

I really do not know how to explain it on here, I find it hard to make people understand my direction of opinion. Maybe I sound angry when I write I don't know. I think the name Holy Spirit does something in changing how people see me maybe its my caption, although I explain things in philosofical ways its just my nature when I write.

All I am saying is people can have good intentions and thoughts about creativity. A knife can be used to put butter on bread or it can be used kill. In the end it depends how far people go with ideas of action.

I did not in anyway way say the comic book inspired anything, the video did not say it at all.

It's a hard website trying to exaplain something deep without ridicule.

See KangConquers has the idea of how this post should be responded, I really don't know how it gets so personal and distorted. Anyway thanks for the replies.

It's not the philosophical nature of your work that confuses us. It's your sentence structure and word choice.

Around the 2:14 mark of your video, your poorly choiced words insinuated that perhaps the creativity of the comic may have somehow led to those events... at least, that's the feeling that I got upon the viewing...

And secondly, the only reason a scene was deleted from the Spider-Man movie (you missed the hyphen in Spider-Man, btw) was because it simply "showed" the Twin Towers, and Sony felt it would be too touchy to see them on the big screen soon thereafter... there was nothing "coincidental" about the scene and 911 other than the Towers themselves.

And yes, you're going to get some ridicule here on account of there being a LOT of idiots on board; however, there has been and will continue to be some really meaningful and deep philosophical discussions here... unfortunately, your video really doesn't say much that people wouldn't already know...

Your efforts are applauded, but there have been many "been there, seen that" type of scenarios of 911 and in many comic books, that your video of one of the many seems "inane" to this crowd, because many of us can pick many other comics that inspired the same scenario...

Back in 2001, there were banned pictures on the Hype that showed an old Superman comic where he stops a plane from crashing into the Towers (banned due to the sensitivity of the pic), and even that cheesey Marvel Two-In-One shown above (more reflective of the movie "The Towering Infernos", but you get the idea)...

And your name has no bearing of me towards you... as all it does is makes me think that in no place in the Bible is the Holy Spirit mentioned and is an invention of Catholicism.

Just my opinions... take them as you wish.

Cheers,

 

[Themanofbat]

Even some of the drawings are very much like the photographic scenes including direction of smoke.

I just wanted to point out that the direction of the smoke (on any given comic/drawn picture) will naturally blow the same way as on the day of 911 depending on which direction your viewing the Towers from...

 

[Holy spirit]

I probably try too much and rush things when I do videos, even when I write. I know I muddle my self in sentence structure and need to slow down a bit. Then again adding too much angle on things digs a bigger hole for my self when I try and explain mistakes I did not see. I think late night brainstorming production work and ideas for discussion get the better of me, I like making videos but like a Spider-man 3 and an X-Men3, best not to rush things and to put too much in. My better work is when I don't rush including replies on here.

 

[BizarroAids]

I just wanted to point out that the direction of the smoke (on any given comic/drawn picture) will naturally blow the same way as on the day of 911 depending on which direction your viewing the Towers from...

Oh MoB..always thinking.t:

I'm not getting into this discussion by saying there is any tie-in or "OMG terrorists read comics and got the idea from Marvel"

I just thought it was interesting...nothing more.

 

[Aristotle]

It's a hard website trying to exaplain something deep without ridicule.

Deep? You think you're deep? Explain the continued relevance of a concrete and unchanging interpretation of the word of God in the face of the obvious relativism implied by the phraseology of the descriptions of Noah and Abraham. Or give your thoughts on Camus' assertion that Sisyphus is a metaphor for humanity and is at once an avatar of despair and joy, giving all of us a reason to continue living. Or maybe talk a little bit about string theory.

Bottom line here, you asserted that somehow a comic book predicted a tragedy. You know why 9/11 happened? Because Arabs in the Middle East have lived under the yoke of Western economic oppression and cultural hegemony for decades, and they have become disgruntled. Their anger has been exploited by opportunistic leaders like Osama bin Laden, and they were directed at the center of economic power and hegemony in the world. Two towers filled with economic oppressors and the instruments of hegemony were destroyed. Two towers filled with human beings. It was an act of desperate anger and pain, and it was an absolutely unforgivable mass murder.

It was not a ****ing comic book.

 

[masteryoda]

(you missed the hyphen in Spider-Man, btw)

You're such a geek, I love you! t:

 

[Marcdachamp]

The Towers were also destroyed in a possible future in Marvel's Transformers series. There is a scene where Rodimus Prime's corpse hangs between the crumbled remains of the buildings. Crazy stuff.

 

[Holy spirit]

Deep? You think you're deep? Explain the continued relevance of a concrete and unchanging interpretation of the word of God in the face of the obvious relativism implied by the phraseology of the descriptions of Noah and Abraham. Or give your thoughts on Camus' assertion that Sisyphus is a metaphor for humanity and is at once an avatar of despair and joy, giving all of us a reason to continue living. Or maybe talk a little bit about string theory.

Bottom line here, you asserted that somehow a comic book predicted a tragedy. You know why 9/11 happened? Because Arabs in the Middle East have lived under the yoke of Western economic oppression and cultural hegemony for decades, and they have become disgruntled. Their anger has been exploited by opportunistic leaders like Osama bin Laden, and they were directed at the center of economic power and hegemony in the world. Two towers filled with economic oppressors and the instruments of hegemony were destroyed. Two towers filled with human beings. It was an act of desperate anger and pain, and it was an absolutely unforgivable mass murder.

It was not a ****ing comic book.

For a start that says it was a comic book? I mean there are two sides of the story for sure like say, also you can call it an inside job which America allowed these things to happen so that consequences boosts arms deals. They speak about oil in the Middle East but right now the Americans are building Islands and tallest buildings in the Middle East with their technology and know how while we let these extremists fly in and 50 other Saudis fly out without question. There are many conspiracy theories that don't add up. Could New Yorks twin towers symbolise the tower of Babel of ancient times, was this a planned set up from the start as many have said?

I have seen slowed down footage of the Twin Towers while being hit, Rod type UFOs go past the screen when slowed down to a tenth of a second and they are not even documented, some are though.
I have even got this UFO Rod like objects in my pictures and videos when slowed down back in UK skies.

The conspiracy and spiritual depth of all this still undiscovered or yet to be learned or accepted. What else is still not being said? There is a spiritual theory that suggests that God will judge the nations that persecute his chosen people 'The Jews' see what happened in WW2 the chaos it brought and where it lead to as prophecy said it would, the Jews back to their homeland Israel. The Bible speaks of God judging the nations and the nations who side with them are blessed. The Nazis do not exist anymore but the Jews do, Germany is now pro-Christian and a very successful nation now .But ever since they have allowed Israel to fall into the wrong hands, two days later US soil would suffer economic downfalls and natural disasters, because its like connected through strings of faith and support and when they become broken so are the defences of the nation.
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Author Bill Koenig, director of "Koenig's International News" documents how the United States has suffered major catastrophes on the very same day or within 24 to 48 hours of U. S. presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush applying pressure on Israel to trade her land for promises of "peace and security," sponsoring major "land for peace" meetings, making major public statements pertaining to Israel's covenant land and/or calling for a Palestinian state.
Are each of these major record-setting huricanes, tornado outbreaks, floods, terrorist bombings, etc., just a coincidence or awe-inspiring signs that God is actively involved in the affairs of Israel?

"And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the natiions that come against Jerusalem" (Zechariah 12:9). (374 pages)
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As for the comics we could go down the Reptilian Agenda route and the illuminati and secret societies or even the One consciousness of man kind being oppressed by the Reptiles through keeping us looked in these bodies like the Matrix movies. David Icke love him or hate him. To back that Matrix theory up the BBC said Tower 7 collapse before it did, look on Youtube and Alex Jones.

As for the phraseologies you are speaking of has no relevance to the Old Testament that it should be read like that. The Bible is directed in certain way of interpretation, it sounds like people see the spiritual meanings of the Bible but turn it into a philosophy of their own inconclusive choosing that never ends. If you want to speak of Ancient Hebrew Old Testament Matrix codes you can. Hebrew letter and number system is the same for example letter A=1 and what we find in the passage of the Bible are calculations of 7s throughout it, God's Heavenly number.

I can go deep but don't find this website appropriate, I have another one I go to talk about these things; maybe my enthusiasm overspills in this site and is not the right crowd.

I do not see a problem with my video, its there to be seen and looked at and informative. I did not say it was a conspiracythere, but I can dig some out if that is what people want to hear.

 

[Overman27pj]

The OP is one of the most ******ed thing I can imagine.