9.1 - Savior - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

Tonight's episode: I really enjoyed it. I thought there were a couple moments of weak dialog (hullooo, welcome to SV), but overall, I was intrigued by most of the groundwork they seemed to be laying.

Chloe - No surprises here for me. Her notions of self-importance still drive her character, from her relationships to her developing role as Watchtower. Granted, I've never been a fan, and tonight's episode made me less of one. However, I will say that I didn't find it odd at all that she'd ask Clark to bring Jimmy back. That made sense to me, as did Clark's response. It would have scored huge Chloe points for me if she'd reluctantly and sadly accepted Clark's judgment and decision in the matter and given him at least a little acknowledgment for making the right and most difficult decision (based on experience). But nooo... better to ***** at the guy -the one you supposedly know better than anyone else. And really, are we going to have to see JealousSadface on Chloe every time she realizes that Clark has feelings for Lois this season?

Emil! What a wonderful spark he adds to the show. He's "in the know" with all the superhero activity, and he's brilliant enough to actually show Chloe a thing or two. LOVE HIM. Really good actor too, with a great presence. I think we need to keep him. Can he be the new Watchtower? *hiding from the Chloe fans*

Oh, Ollie.... I welcome your sweaty pecs back with open arms. I love when you hit bottom because I can only embrace you on this show when we very clearly are shown how your heroic nature contrasts with Clark's. And I have to say it.... I find Justin and Erica's chemistry to be off the charts charming. Okay, I know they aren't meant to be on this show... that's cool... but in another universe, on another show, they are a dynamite on-screen pairing.

Callum Blue as Zod - Wow. I think he sizzles in his portrayal, but I'm not sure about this whole storyline. Not only is is confusing (so far), but the whole Army of Zod thing leaves me a little bored and waiting for the next scene. Hopefully they will develop this into a more interesting storyline.

Tess - ILU, but I worry that you're entire storyline is going to wrapped around Zod and the time-traveling wtf? Army stuff. I want to see you back at the D.P. once in a while bossing people around and making Clark nervous.

Saving the best for last....CLARK! As often happens, Tom's presence and beauty leave me struggling for words. How is it possible for him to look even better than he has before? I thought the black Kryptonian-esque ensemble worked much better on screen than it did in pictures. I groaned a few times at Clark's verbalizing his blaming of himself for things again (like the death of a certain guy who was actually killed by his wife's new boyfriend), but I also understand that it's the nature of Clark to feel responsibility for the events around him because of his greater abilities. Finally! A decent kick-ass fight for Clark. I loved the fight choreography, particularly that crouching stance we saw Clark take.

Double points for bringing up the question of his inability to fly to Jor-El. The answer Jor-El gave was totally predictable, but it was good to have that finally stated. I really like the idea that Clark has a strong tie to humanity that is supposedly holding him back. I don't believe it actually IS the thing holding him back, rather it's his being able to finally accept and embrace both his Kryptonian and Human sides that will finally culminate in him taking that final step towards flying - a metaphor for his total acceptance for who he is and his role in this world. Lois representing that human tie right now makes perfect sense to me. He needs his human tie, because it is an integral part of who he is.

His ties to Lois being used as a reason holding him back from his training can be seen as kind of a stretch in light of what we actually saw last season, but it's a do-able stretch for me. As I said in comments to my previous entry, I don't have a problem with the notion that Clark has strong feelings for Lois that are surfacing in a way that is no longer deniable. Of course, I tend to go with the reinforcement of my girl Lana's initial impression way back when she first met Lois - "The best one's start out that way." Lana, someone who I believe actually DOES know Clark Kent on a level that no one else does, saw and felt the attraction way back when, and we all know she was right. The potential for a Clark and Lois magnetic-type of love has always been there. While we may not have seen much in the way of on-screen consummation from Clark's perspective (we did see Lois acknowledge her "love" for him), we have been shown Clark's feelings in many smaller, but no less significant ways: The Blur phone calls that he relishes even more than she does; the ribbing he gives to her and puts up with from her; his professional respect for her; the way we've seen him look at her...etc.

Weak dialogue? Is all subjective of course, but you could give examples. ;)

On Chloe, she will probably get better by mid-season, TPTB have to prepare her exit (Allison's contract ends next year), so I guess she will have an honourable ending.

Zod's storyline is very interesting, we have a lot to discover yet, who was the voice from the Orb since Tess said it wasn't Zod. What happened on Kandor? Did the Orb took their powers away? Also we have Alia, what's her link to Clark? Family, something else?

Is nice to see a clana fan liking the show instead of hating it just because its favorite character is absent, if only all shippers could be so reasonable.
 
Looks to be an interesting season. I really liked the guy playing Zod.
 
Great episode! As for the Orb and Zod, I have very little doubt that it was all Zor-El's doing. The soldiers said they had their blood drawn, Zor-El used Lara's DNA to replicate her. We already know Zor-El was working with Zod on Krypton. The Orb did not contain Kandor, but the soldiers (and Zod) DNA and therefore are replicants. That's why there are no other family or other Kandorians. If Zor-El did do this, it would make sense that he utilized Blue Kryptonite to pacify their powers. He planned to be on Earth and have it taken over. Clark stopped that of course.

Can't wait to see how the rest of the season plays out. It certainly started out with a bang. :up:
 
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Near solid permier by the way. 2 things I didn't much care for, Ollie and no explanation as to Jor-el's return to the fortress. Last we left off, he had abandoned it. As for Oliver, it's just that one minute they write his character as (Pro Superhero, motivated, do not kill) etc. and the next he's (anti Superhero, lacks motivation with the mindset of kill, kill, kill). Just seems like a repetative roller coaster they've got him on. One minute he's accepting his destiny as Green Arrow, the other he's denying it.

Just wish they'd stick to the positive Oliver we saw in Season 6 and the episode with Zatanna in Season 8 with him and Chloe(watchtower) at the end. I mean, he was in a drunken slump at the start of S8, got out of it around that particular episode just to dispand and end up in an underground fight club? What, by mid season he's going to be back kicking ass with The Justice League just to be in another slump by seasons end? Getting real old is all

other than Oliver's reused story arc, everything else is on point

but like most season premiers, things start off good then head south. Let's just pray this is not the case this season
 
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Weak dialogue? Is all subjective of course, but you could give examples. ;)

Yes, well I didn't actually take notes. There were a few lines that felt very clunky to me.

On Chloe, she will probably get better by mid-season, TPTB have to prepare her exit (Allison's contract ends next year), so I guess she will have an honourable ending.

Of course she will. As much as the character grates on my nerves, she isn't a villain in this story (isn't supposed to be at least). She is still Clark's oldest friend.

Is nice to see a clana fan liking the show instead of hating it just because its favorite character is absent, if only all shippers could be so reasonable.

Hardcore shippers only watch the show for one thing. There's nothing wrong with that, but unless you're a Clois fan, you are just asking for disappointment.

I have my favorites, absolutely, but that's never been my sole reason for watching. I enjoy most of the characters, particularly Clark and his story. I'm lucky that way. :)
 
from tvbythenumbers.com

well this is a little disapointing. I was just at tvbythenumbers.com a ratings site. Well cbs won the night, and fox's 8pm show wasnt that hot, and abc's rerun of flashforward did well. But smallville ended up doing not to hot. I was hoping it could have gotten like 3.5-4.0million. But it only got 2.5 million. Though its only early numbers, so final numbers could go a little higher.
 
Is he a different and younger Zod? And the real Zod is still trapped in Phantom Zone?
 
Is he a different and younger Zod? And the real Zod is still trapped in Phantom Zone?

This is Dru-Zod a younger incarnation of Zod from Krypton's past before it was destroyed by him as General Zod in the future where he is banished to the phantom zone for his actions by Jor-EL . Somehow the orb Transported Major Zod & his army from Kandor to earth without their powers .
 
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This is Dru-Zod a younger incarnation of Zod from Krypton's past before it was destroyed by him as General Zod in the future where he is banished to the phantom zone for his actions by Jor-EL . Somehow the orb Transported Major Zod & his army from Kandor to earth without their powers .

Thanks for the info.:yay:
 
Oh boy, load the jump program for Neo-el :(

Ughh

That shirt is crappy. At least the jacket combo had some Supes colors, and you could imagine him as Clark Kent. I dunno, the series just doesn't feel like it is related to Superman at this point at all. It is like a Matrix Batman hybrid :down

I also think they should have been more creative in their writing of Metallo. Having John be a reporter for the DP first is kind of silly.
 
Corben being a reporter is from the comics. So...the comics is kind of silly I guess.

Also, I'm not too worried about the ratings. As long as the show does better on Friday nights than past shows on the same night, the CW will keep the show around. It's like putting your best player on a losing team. It's not punishment. It's a way for the team to do better. They don't have to be the champions. They just need to improve. That's the way I like to see it.
 
yea as long as its stay above what chris/the game were making last year and maintings 2-3million viewers compared to the other CW shows i doubt it will be canceled mid season. As for the zod/his army thing i agree i think its younger clones of themselfs. With the statement from that one chick saying last thing they remember was giving blood in kandor(a kryptonian city on krypton for smallville's take). Now we just have to figure out when from before krypton went blewy they all came from.
 
Was the chick who came from the future & attacked Lois on the train the same one from General Zod's army? Looks like she eventually gets powers at some point & befriends Clark in the future because why else would she have Clark's watch on? At first I thought she might have been Clark's daughter from the future & something went wrong which was the reason she wanted to kill him.
 
yeah, she's from Zod's army. They showed her at the end when everyone was kneeling before Zod. My guess is that Clark will befriend Zod eventually and one possible future is that he will team up with Zod and the army for some reason. But then Clark will probably stop the army and Zod. That's why Alia said he caused destruction. Because he stopped Zod's army, IMO.
 
that storyline with alia should be an interesting one to see play out. It would have been strange if she was a future lover/child or something. It was a twist seeing her die but then oh there she is in zod's army. Darn time travel gets so messy lol.
 
that storyline with alia should be an interesting one to see play out. It would have been strange if she was a future lover/child or something. It was a twist seeing her die but then oh there she is in zod's army. Darn time travel gets so messy lol.

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So wait, let's get this straight. The Alia that died was from the future, while the Alia form Zod's army is from the past. But where is the present version? How could she exist in the future if the orb was not yet opened? Did Lois visit a future that had altered right before her eyes.

And I wonder if the piece of Blue K that she gave to Clark might have something to do with why Zod and his followers don't have powers yet.
 
So wait, let's get this straight. The Alia that died was from the future, while the Alia form Zod's army is from the past. But where is the present version? How could she exist in the future if the orb was not yet opened? Did Lois visit a future that had altered right before her eyes.

And I wonder if the piece of Blue K that she gave to Clark might have something to do with why Zod and his followers don't have powers yet.

Zod and his army got their blood drawn and the DNA was duplicated. They are exactly as they were when the blood was taken. All the memories up until then. Alia, Zod and his Army are duplicates. Therefore the real Alia possibly died when Krypton exploded or through the Civil War. The duplicate Alia is the one who came back from a year in the future to stop Clark from doing something unknown at the moment.

I think you're right about the Blue K. Who ever planned this (I believe it was Zor-El) made sure to have Blue K around them, perhaps to protect himself from them.
 
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So wait, let's get this straight. The Alia that died was from the future, while the Alia form Zod's army is from the past. But where is the present version?

We saw her kneeling with the rest of the army at the end of the episode.
 
Oh boy, load the jump program for Neo-el :(

Ughh

That shirt is crappy. At least the jacket combo had some Supes colors, and you could imagine him as Clark Kent. I dunno, the series just doesn't feel like it is related to Superman at this point at all. It is like a Matrix Batman hybrid :down

I also think they should have been more creative in their writing of Metallo. Having John be a reporter for the DP first is kind of silly.


Thats his orgins in the comics and like the nel like look, its awesome.

Also love Metropolis is a dark and grity city needing of a saviour.
 
Zod and his army got their blood drawn and the DNA was duplicated. They are exactly as they were when the blood was taken. All the memories up until then. Alia, Zod and his Army are duplicates. Therefore the real Alia possibly died when Krypton exploded or through the Civil War. The duplicate Alia is the one who came back from a year in the future to stop Clark from doing something unknown at the moment.

I think you're right about the Blue K. Who ever planned this (I believe it was Zor-El) made sure to have Blue K around them, perhaps to protect himself from them.
I think I must've watched too much Back to the Future because this whole episode had me thinking about how the characters were messing with the whole space-time continuum.

Another thing that had me confused was why did Alia have Clark watch set a year afterward. I mean if she was chasing Lois in the future, wouldn't that have been in the year 3009 since the ring was programmed to take Doomsday to the Legion in the 31th Century? Al I can really think is that by the end of the season, we will see everything that was hinted at come to pass, meaning we will see what causes Alia to go after Clark and all of the things that Lois dreamed of too.
 
My theory is that Lois went to one year in the future where she disappeared and never came back after the events from Doomsday. Clark became the Blur, befriended Zod and his army and somehow caused destruction. Then suddenly, Lois appears and finds out about Clark. Lois' appearance changes Clark's attitude toward Zod and his plans and Clark defeats Zod and his army causing destruction of their world (they want to rebuild Kandor on Earth). So Alia goes back in time to prevent Clark from ever doing this. This kind of reminds me of that S:TAS episode where Lois dies and Superman and Lex rule the world. Superman becomes less "superman-ly" without Lois around.
 

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