9.1 - Savior - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Mike_D202]

Well I have seen better premieres from Smallville. My least favourite scene is when detective Corben shoved his tongue down Lois's neck 2 minutes after he met her. *rolleyes* I mean come on...

Yea I was wondernig if I was seeing things or not, so they actually kissed eh?

Howd everybody like the Dark Knight-ish score?

 

[COMPO]

yeah I noticed that and the statue of liberty bit, was like after Bats beat Falcone :P

 

[COMPO]

hey did anyone else feel like it had been longer than 3 weeks in the shows timeline with the way Chloe and Clark talking it felt like it had been years to me. And yeah I agree with pat I was pretty pissed with Chloe on how she tried to press Clark's buttons in going back in time. I mean, what about the other person that has to die for Jimmy? (or henry)

 

[Dave_W]

I have a feeling that this is Clark in the future if he continues down the "dark" path that he's on. That is why "whatshername" came back from the future to stop him.

But becasue he now knows about this destiny, he'll change his ways throughout the course of the season and end back up in his red and blue for the seasons end.

 

[COMPO]

I believe it was Oliver.

Great episode all around. I like the fact they mentioned the flying in the beginning. I think he will be flying by the end of the season.

I like how Clark was frustrated that he couldn't fly.

Exactly!

I loved Clark tonight and it infuriates me to see Chloe fangirls convincing themselves he must be the Eradicator or something just because he told Chloe it's bad to mess with destiny.

that's what they're saying? seriously?

maybe he is?...

Near solid permier by the way. 2 things I didn't much care for, Ollie and no explanation as to Jor-el's return to the fortress. Last we left off, he had abandoned it. As for Oliver, it's just that one minute they write his character as (Pro Superhero, motivated, do not kill) etc. and the next he's (anti Superhero, lacks motivation with the mindset of kill, kill, kill). Just seems like a repetative roller coaster they've got him on. One minute he's accepting his destiny as Green Arrow, the other he's denying it.

Just wish they'd stick to the positive Oliver we saw in Season 6 and the episode with Zatanna in Season 8 with him and Chloe(watchtower) at the end. I mean, he was in a drunken slump at the start of S8, got out of it around that particular episode just to dispand and end up in an underground fight club? What, by mid season he's going to be back kicking ass with The Justice League just to be in another slump by seasons end? Getting real old is all

other than Oliver's reused story arc, everything else is on point

but like most season premiers, things start off good then head south. Let's just pray this is not the case this season

I think he'll be back when Geoff Johns comes back but I don't think he'll be the leading the JL any time soon, he'll need to start doing the hero stuff and I think he'll doubt his leadership.

I think I must've watched too much Back to the Future because this whole episode had me thinking about how the characters were messing with the whole space-time continuum.

Another thing that had me confused was why did Alia have Clark watch set a year afterward. I mean if she was chasing Lois in the future, wouldn't that have been in the year 3009 since the ring was programmed to take Doomsday to the Legion in the 31th Century? Al I can really think is that by the end of the season, we will see everything that was hinted at come to pass, meaning we will see what causes Alia to go after Clark and all of the things that Lois dreamed of too.

and how she got his watch? and how it cracked?

She lost her powers at the end of season 7 when Brainiac did his little mind infecting thing. Her powers tried to keep her safe for a while but it was established at the end of of the season 8 premiere that they were gone.

Something I just noticed is that Alia seems to be wearing a type of clothing that looks a lot like what Zod was wearing in Superman II. I'm guessing that's some kind of kryptonian army garment.

Did it? I thought it looked more like Clark's?

Gotta love Clark fighting with a rake.

 

[Fresh Prince]

boy gough and millar probably wished they were still around on the show. Since we know they always wanted to originally do a batman show lol.

That show would of sucked anyways. A whole show about Bruce Wayne becoming Batman and not being Batman be suckish.

 

[Fresh Prince]

only because the cinematography was so dark. Batman doesn't have a monopoly on rooftops

But stillthat was more Batman then Superman, but I like it.

Fans say Superman should be dark and grity, well Smallville is as close as your gonna get to that.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

No problem with Metropolis being dark and gritty looking (although to be fair all of the city scenes were shot at night). It should be that way before "Superman" gets there to clean it up.

 

[armadillo]

Fans say Superman should be dark and grity, well Smallville is as close as your gonna get to that.

I don't recall any fans saying that

I do however recall the studios, hollywood, etc., saying that shortly after The Dark Knight's success

but not the fans........nope

infact, isn't that one of the reasons Superman Returns flopped? Too Dark?

I know my grandparents (who are Superman/Smallville fans) didn't like the movie

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

boy gough and millar probably wished they were still around on the show. Since we know they always wanted to originally do a batman show lol.

Millar and Gough were never attached to the young Bruce Wayne idea IIRC. They were brought in specifically to pitch their take on a young Superman.

 

[Havok83]

Im confused. How did Tess get to where she's at and why is she needed there?

 

[Fresh Prince]

Millar and Gough were never attached to the young Bruce Wayne idea IIRC. They were brought in specifically to pitch their take on a young Superman.

The young Bruce Wayne was an epic fail waiting to happen on television.

 

[Fresh Prince]

No problem with Metropolis being dark and gritty looking (although to be fair all of the city scenes were shot at night). It should be that way before "Superman" gets there to clean it up.

Exactly! But were are the mobsters? I mean they should be invovled in this whole thing, since Luthor is dead their needs to be a mobster or gangster criminal mastermind like Luthor is to challenege Superman.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

In terms of effects they didn't do any visual effects. It was all regular shots with digital effects over top. They also did this with "Doomsday" but this time was slightly better.

 

[COMPO]

did anyone else feel like the scene with Clark stood on statue of liberty was like the end of the training montage in S:TMP you know where's he's in the fortress stood there and then goes off to fly... only this time he jumps off of something. 2bh I thought it was real and Clark would slam on to the ground or something.

 

[Mikelus]

Exactly! But were are the mobsters? I mean they should be invovled in this whole thing, since Luthor is dead their needs to be a mobster or gangster criminal mastermind like Luthor is to challenege Superman.

Lex is not really dead, the producers said they want Michael Rosenbaum back, but because of his schedule, is not possible at the moment.

 

[Webhead2006]

no it was just a holographic training thing.

 

[COMPO]

I know, that's why I said I thought it, but the scene changed my view.

 

[Serene]

I have a feeling that this is Clark in the future if he continues down the "dark" path that he's on. That is why "whatshername" came back from the future to stop him.

But becasue he now knows about this destiny, he'll change his ways throughout the course of the season and end back up in his red and blue for the seasons end.

That's EXACTLY what I think.

 

[Zorex]

Yeah, I'm quite sure that's what that is.

I'm hoping to watch the episode again tonight, as my first viewing was interrupted (got in late and was so tired I kept passing out, and finish it Saturday morning), and, thus, not a very good one.

I did like what I saw, and it's an interesting new place that the show is going. The "Flash Forward"-esque vision device for Lois is kind of awesome, and I think it'll give some great thrust to the show, hopefully beyond November sweeps.

 

[Prison Mike]

I have a feeling that this is Clark in the future if he continues down the "dark" path that he's on. That is why "whatshername" came back from the future to stop him.

But becasue he now knows about this destiny, he'll change his ways throughout the course of the season and end back up in his red and blue for the seasons end.

I think you are half right. I believe that is Clark in the future if he joins Zod in building Earth as New Krypton. But what I'm not understanding is why Alia comes back from the future to stop Clark. She said he destroys the world yet she is apart of the army that Zod has assembled. My theory is that when Clark sees Lois from the past, he changes his ways and defeats Zod and his army and in Alia's mind, Clark destroys the world that they've built. I don't know if Alia is a good guy or a bad guy yet. I think Lois will make Clark travel down the right path and he will defeat Zod and his army before they can destroy Earth.

 

[Mike_D202]

^^^^ yea I was just gonna say that. I remember reading an article about Zod's character on the show, how right now he isn't as powerful and a little naive, he befriends Clark and they are "friends" for awhile. Then Zod goes completely evil when Clark "betrays" him and he turns into the Zod we all know from the movie. I think they start building a Kryptonian army, Zod and Clark side-by-side and the kryptonians looking up to Clark as they rebuild they're civilization. Then Clark regains his humanity and turns against them, and the kryptonian woman feels betrayed as well (they probably do start a fling, hence her having Johnathon's watch).

 

[Syncos]

I think you are half right. I believe that is Clark in the future if he joins Zod in building Earth as New Krypton. But what I'm not understanding is why Alia comes back from the future to stop Clark. She said he destroys the world yet she is apart of the army that Zod has assembled. My theory is that when Clark sees Lois from the past, he changes his ways and defeats Zod and his army and in Alia's mind, Clark destroys the world that they've built. I don't know if Alia is a good guy or a bad guy yet. I think Lois will make Clark travel down the right path and he will defeat Zod and his army before they can destroy Earth.

The way I understand it is that it will play out a lot like Krypton General Zod put Krypton on the path to destruction. The kyptonian army he commanded weren't necessarily evil. they were just following orders. I'm sure Alia doesn't want this world to be destroyed.

If this future clark is on Zods side, than his acts are part of what destroys the world. I might be vocalizing this wrong... but hopefully my point is in there somewhere.

 

[B]

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Great opening to the season .

Chloe's opening scenes & her participation in this entier episode was disappointing for myself. The character's opening scene wasn't very well thought out, she (I am assuming) was on the phone with the police informing them that her cousin had been missing for 3 weeks etc etc. She then sits in front of her laptop hits one button & instantly the Police database had been hacked to which she then admits over the phone...
I'll let you figure out why it verges on idiocy to admit such a thing to the police..
Emil Hamilton's participation in some of the Chloe's scenes helped save the character from a complete failure of an episode..

Anyway on to Clark, opening scenes where very good visually I felt, I now see what Kryptonsite where talking about when they mentioned the effects budget appears to have went up this season rather than the usual dwindling effects budget that seems to inevitably happen with every TV show. Anyway I felt they looked very good considering they where TV effects.

I'm completely fine with Clark's new philosophy towards being a hero, as we all know (& most people tend to forget) being a Superman in more than title alone is the destination of the story, Smallville is still on the journey.
Quite frankly I don't care what anyone else says, you never truly learn until you make a mistake. In this case we all already know what the mistake will be as well know what the character is aiming to become; Approaching it incorrectly.
You can already see from the season premiere alone (Rooftop call to Lois), while he wants to help the world.. he'll never truly be able to forget about the people he loves in the sense that it won't cloud his judgement. Which has always been an age old Superman dilemma.

In the season premiere alone you can already see his 'losing faith in humanity' isn't exactly as bad as it sounds, nor is it what many people assumed it was going to be. From what I can gather he is/has been attempting to isolate himself in his fortress & forget about the people he loves so that their mere presence wouldn't have an effect on the tough decisions he'll ever have to make.
Fair enough, this isn't exactly a bad idea.. nor I don't feel is it ground breaking in the world of Superman. I can respect what the producers/writers where going for from this angle.

I'm not that keen on symbol burning..
From the season preview trailers I assumed it was going to be once or twice at the very most.. but we are one episode in & already its been done 3 times.
Again, I feel I know what the producers/writers where going for so I can understand why they've done it.
I get the impression they feel that him spreading the symbol about the place is to install a sense of 'hope' that someone is out there trying to help people. In the same way that the red/blue blur trails he was leaving was giving the same 'hope'..

I've always felt that with Superman pre-tights, things like a train belly flopping in the streets of Metropolis or Bridges collapsing AFTER they'd stayed stable enough for everyone to get off them, should be put down to miracles.. but that's just myself.

Callum Blue is an inspired casting as Zod. I'm not sure how everyone else feels about this, but in terms of the symbol on the flag in addition to the colors combined with the final dream sequence from Lois. I got a sort of 'Nazi vibe' from the entier thing, Zod looks like hes being portrayed as a Kryptonian Hitler in terms of the dictatorship he is showing... & I for one think that is pretty good/smart idea if indeed that is what they where going for

The fact that he has an army at his disposal could present some interesting angles this season. Particularly the fact now he is armed with the knowledge that he will destory "their world" from the assassin (Alayah?).
The key word in that was 'their'. In my opinion in the hypothetical future that she presented (& might actually play out -

Spoiler

"disciple" episode anyone?) Clark might end up joining Zod as an ally, then after seeing what Zod's aim finally is ends up coming to his senses & putting a stop to the entier operation.

Anyway let me close this entier rant that vaguely resembles a review - Lois was good as always, Oliver was drunk/boarderline irratating as usual, Clark is finally more of a man, Zod is showing epic potential, Chloe was disappointing & I can't wait to see Metallo

 

[SpideyVille]

That show would of sucked anyways. A whole show about Bruce Wayne becoming Batman and not being Batman be suckish.

The young Bruce Wayne was an epic fail waiting to happen on television.

Well the first half of Batman Begins was all that bad