A day without mexicans!!!!

StorminNorman said:
Trying to find an artcle now,

Sorry, but when you cross the boarder illegally you show disrespect for this country and its laws.


Not really. I guess when Americans go to Tijuana for the cheap drugs and booze and throw up in the streets theyre showing their respect for mexico.:confused:
 
Mr Sparkle said:
I'm sure hunger and desperation never factors into your logic.

There are legal way of entering this country, period. I am all for increasing the number of immigrants we allow in, but to have an open boarder is insane and CAN NOT be allowed.
 
StorminNorman said:
I never saw a response from you last time I checked, however the entire thread became so childish by the end of it it was not worth the time spent replying.

really.

I'm sure it was.
 
Darthphere said:
Not really. I guess when Americans go to Tijuana for the cheap drugs and booze and throw up in the streets theyre showing their respect for mexico.:confused:

No, not at all - I have no respect for such people. However they do not go there and use their healthcare and their public schooling.
 
StorminNorman said:
There are legal way of entering this country, period. I am all for increasing the number of immigrants we allow in, but to have an open boarder is insane and CAN NOT be allowed.

ha! do you know the cost of legal immigration? simple, people tha can afford it don't need it.
and open "borders" are "insane" why exactly?
 
StorminNorman said:
No, not at all - I have no respect for such people. However they do not go there and use their healthcare and their public schooling.


If they wanted to come here for health care, they would just go to Canada. This makes no sense at all.:confused:
 
Mr Sparkle said:
ha! do you know the cost of legal immigration? simple, people tha can afford it don't need it.
and open "borders" are "insane" why exactly?

Secruity. Having an open boarder gives makes America vulnerable to terrorists, drugs and other sorts of crime. Plus having people enter America, undocumented is not fair to those immigrants who come here LEGALLY, nor is the fact that they go WITHOUT paying income tax.
 
Darthphere said:
If they wanted to come here for health care, they would just go to Canada. This makes no sense at all.:confused:

Im sure they would, if Canada was their neighbor.
 
Here is the Story I was looking for - there also happens to be a case of Illegals sueing an American who detained them (and waited for Boarder security to show up) for 40+ million dollars. Its ludicrous.

Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight

DOUGLAS, Ariz., Aug. 18 - Spent shells litter the ground at what is left of the firing range, and camouflage outfits still hang in a storeroom. Just a few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.

Now, in a turnabout, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.
The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.
"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.
Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."
The surrender of the ranch comes as the governors of Arizona and New Mexico have declared a state of emergency because of the influx of illegal immigrants and related crime along the border.
Bill Dore, a Douglas resident briefly affiliated with Ranch Rescue who is still active in the border-patrolling Minuteman Project, called the land transfer "ridiculous."
"The illegals are coming over here," Mr. Dore said. "They are getting the American property. Hell, I'd come over, too. Get some American property, make some money from the gringos."
The immigrants getting the ranch, Edwin Alfredo Mancía Gonzáles and Fátima del Socorro Leiva Medina, could not be reached for comment. Kelley Bruner, a lawyer at the law center, said they did not want to speak to the news media but were happy with the outcome.
Ms. Bruner said that Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva, who are from El Salvador but are not related, would not live at the ranch and would probably sell it. Mr. Nethercott bought the ranch in 2003 for $120,000.
Mr. Mancía, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, Ms. Bruner said. She said that until a decision was made on their applications, they could stay and work in the United States on a year-to-year basis.
Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva were caught on a ranch in Hebbronville, Tex., in March 2003 by Mr. Nethercott and other members of Ranch Rescue. The two immigrants later accused Mr. Nethercott of threatening them and of hitting Mr. Mancía with a pistol, charges that Mr. Nethercott denied. The immigrants also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so.
The Salvadorans testified against Mr. Nethercott when he was tried by Texas prosecutors. The jury deadlocked on a charge of pistol-whipping but convicted Mr. Nethercott, who had previously served time in California for assault, of gun possession, which is illegal for a felon. He is now serving a five-year sentence in a Texas prison.
Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva also filed a lawsuit against Mr. Nethercott; Jack Foote, the founder of Ranch Rescue; and the owner of the Hebbronville ranch, Joe Sutton. The immigrants said the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress.
Mr. Sutton settled for $100,000. Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote did not defend themselves, so the judge issued default judgments of $850,000 against Mr. Nethercott and $500,000 against Mr. Foote.
Mr. Dees said Mr. Foote appeared to have no substantial assets, but Mr. Nethercott had the ranch. Shortly after the judgment, Mr. Nethercott gave the land to his sister, Robin Albitz, of Prescott, Ariz. The Southern Poverty Law Center sued the siblings, saying the transfer was fraudulent and was meant to avoid the judgment.
Ms. Albitz, a nursing assistant, signed over the land to the two immigrants last week.
 
Darthphere said:
I really hate analogies like these, thats why I try not to make them.:down


Fact: It is illegal to come into the United States without the consent of the country. They are committing a crime and asking for clemency.

I do not care why they come here. They are committing a crime and we are looking at the wrong thing.
I agree the immigration process needs to be straightened out and simplified...but until that follow the rules.
 
roach said:
Fact: It is illegal to come into the United States without the consent of the country. They are committing a crime and asking for clemency.

I do not care why they come here. They are committing a crime and we are looking at the wrong thing.
I agree the immigration process needs to be straightened out and simplified...but until that follow the rules.


Yeah, but its an extreme putting them with rapists and murderers. Analogies like that are absurd, even you must admit.
 
anyone notice that ever since the US got a idiotic bigot who's stupidity as a world leader has landed him the role of least popular leader around the world, there has also been an increase in idiotic bigots whose stupidity as citizens have landed them the role of least popular country around the world?

ten years ago people weren't afraid of others as they are now

illigal migrants was just a little problem that carried cheap work hand

now, ever since this country is looking to be overrun by paranoids, it's all going really, really bad

these kinds of threads make me feel disgusted of the US

and to think that I'm actually applying to become a teacher in the US, what can I expect? this kind of treatment?

love thy neighbor, somebody greater than you and I said that a long time ago

I'm sorry for all I have said before

I will not speak more of it
 
StorminNorman said:
Here is the Story I was looking for - there also happens to be a case of Illegals sueing an American who detained them (and waited for Boarder security to show up) for 40+ million dollars. Its ludicrous.

read that story carefully, then contrast it to your statement.
see if it adds up.
 
I don't think I've seen any bigotry here. Well the last few pages anyway.
Oh and PLAS, just make sure you have your papers in order, and nobody will have a problem with you.
 
PLAS said:
anyone notice that ever since the US got a idiotic bigot who's stupidity as a world leader has landed him the role of least popular leader around the world, there has also been an increase in idiotic bigots whose stupidity as citizens have landed them the role of least popular country around the world?

ten years ago people weren't afraid of others as they are now

illigal migrants was just a little problem that carried cheap work hand

now, ever since this country is looking to be overrun by paranoids, it's all going really, really bad

these kinds of threads make me feel disgusted of the US

and to think that I'm actually applying to become a teacher in the US, what can I expect? this kind of treatment?

love thy neighbor, somebody greater than you and I said that a long time ago

I'm sorry for all I have said before

I will not speak more of it

People, get real - You may or may not like Bush (I do not like him right now either) but to call him a bigot is stupid and childish.

Illegal Immigration has long been an issue - it is made even more important though since 9/11 since terrorism is a much greater threat than it was 10 years ago.

People who want to stopid illegal immigration just to stop Mexican workers from trying to make a better life for themselves are a little too extreme for me, however most people against Illegal Immigration want it stop for practical reasons - like National Security.
 
StorminNorman said:
Secruity. Having an open boarder gives makes America vulnerable to terrorists, drugs and other sorts of crime. Plus having people enter America, undocumented is not fair to those immigrants who come here LEGALLY, nor is the fact that they go WITHOUT paying income tax.

LOL, yeah, I forgot, prior to illegal immigration there was no terrorism , drugs or crime in the US.

sorry. :(

are you purposefully ignoring the fact that they pay sales and payroll taxes?
 
Carter said:
I don't think I've seen any bigotry here. Well the last few pages anyway.
Oh and PLAS, just make sure you have your papers in order, and nobody will have a problem with you.

I love when people say this. yeah Plas make sure you staple a copy to your forehead too, so it's plainly visible.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
read that story carefully, then contrast it to your statement.
see if it adds up.

I will admit that I got the two cases confused when it came to how each handled the illegals when they were found - however for the Illegal Immigratns to be awarded this mans farm is OUTRAGOUS.
 
StorminNorman said:
People, get real - You may or may not like Bush (I do not like him right now either) but to call him a bigot is stupid and childish.

Illegal Immigration has long been an issue - it is made even more important though since 9/11 since terrorism is a much greater threat than it was 10 years ago.

People who want to stopid illegal immigration just to stop Mexican workers from trying to make a better life for themselves are a little too extreme for me, however most people against Illegal Immigration want it stop for practical reasons - like National Security.


The 9/11 terrorists came thorugh Canada. And the whole Post 9/11 world argument is rubbish, let Bush use that argument. i nkow you, you can do better.:up:
 
Mr Sparkle said:
I love when people say this. yeah Plas make sure you staple a copy to your forehead too, so it's plainly visible.
Why? That's not necessary. When I travel I carry around my passport. It's funny how you need documentation to enter other countries also.
 
StorminNorman said:
I will admit that I got the two cases confused when it came to how each handled the illegals when they were found - however for the Illegal Immigratns to be awarded this mans farm is OUTRAGOUS.

I think that being harrassed and threatened by a convicted felon is also outrageous.

go figure. so, if one of these ranch rescue morons rapes an illegal immigrant woman, she shouldn't be able to sue or press charges because she's here illegaly?
 
Carter said:
Why? That's not necessary. When I travel I carry around my passport. It's funny how you need documentation to enter other countries also.


So if they bring their Mexican passport its ok. Awesome, we solved the problem people!
 
Mr Sparkle said:
LOL, yeah, I forgot, prior to illegal immigration there was no terrorism , drugs or crime in the US.

sorry. :(

are you purposefully ignoring the fact that they pay sales and payroll taxes?

No, and to say that stopping Illegal Immigration is a universal solution to these problems are ridiculous. We should fight the dangers on all fronts - that includes closing the boarder, it is COMMON SENSE.

They still do not pay income tax like Americans do.
 
Darthphere said:
So if they bring their Mexican passport its ok. Awesome, we solved the problem people!
Wow, you completely missed what I was saying and who's side I was on.
 
Carter said:
Why? That's not necessary. When I travel I carry around my passport. It's funny how you need documentation to enter other countries also.

no, I'm speaking on a day to day basis, when PLAS is teaching class and people asume he's an illegal because he speaks spanish and looks latino.
see? because the law people where protesting would have these kinds of consequences.
 

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