A Justice League Series?

[the_freshdude]

seeing how corny the smallville episode was, i say no.

 

[Migu-EL]

You know, I hate it when people criticize the writers on Smallville.

Many of the problems on the show are caused not by the writers, but by network suits that think they know better. The writers have to take the network and studio notes, whether they make sense or not.

DeKnight has alluded to that several times over in his blog.

I think what they deliver is probably some of the best TV around, but maybe you need to see some BAD tv to know the difference.

The worst TV on right now is The Dresden Files.... give that a look and come back and tell me whether you still think that the Smallville writers are all hacks.

They're not, the writers on the Dresden Files are.

*shudder*

I wanted that show to be SO much better than it is...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Migu-EL]

seeing how corny the smallville episode was, i say no.

Well that's your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions....they're just like buttholes everyones got one.

 

[triplet]

I never even had an interest in the show, so I'm safe.

Well, that's good. I'd hate to see you suffer the pain I'm suffering watching that show...

I keep watching thinking it'll get better and that Harry will be as charming and as funny as he is in the books, but I think it's a lost cause. Only three episodes in and I'm almost ready to give up.

I'll watch the pilot when it airs in a few weeks (for some reason the Pilot is being aired 5th) and if that sucks as bad as the rest of the episodes have been, then I'll know the show isn't worth any more of my time.

Too bad.

You want hack writing, I have three words and two numbers for you:

Star Wars episodes 1,2

Meesa thinka that these movies are Bantha poodoo.

Quoted for truth.

(The wooden acting didn't help the stiff dialogue much either...)

seeing how corny the smallville episode was, i say no.

I say you should see Dresden Files and come back and tell me how corny Smallville is.

The last episode with the werewolves? Oy!

*headdesk*

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks...

Well that's your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions....they're just like buttholes everyones got one.

 

[Eros]

Well that's your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions....they're just like buttholes everyones got one.

LOL....okay.

 

[Migu-EL]

 

[tallsy_1]

No one's doubting that there are worse shows than "Smallville." There are also shows better written, and in my post I'm talking about the ideal comic book based show. In fact, I specifically praised this leadership team for a comic story that would have broad appeal.

 

[Syncos]

I researched the roots of this bizarre, unabashed hatred. And you know what I discovered?

Jensen fans are a crazy bunch.

"She's too young for him! I hate her!"

"I hope Jo dies! I mean, seriously, what does Dean see in her?!"

t:

I for one love Jo's character and hope to see more of her. But that's probably only because I don't want Jensen for myself.

Spoiler

Didn't she die when the roadhouse was burnt down? I thought Ellen was the only one to survive....?

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

You know, I hate it when people criticize the writers on Smallville.

Many of the problems on the show are caused not by the writers, but by network suits that think they know better. The writers have to take the network and studio notes, whether they make sense or not.

DeKnight has alluded to that several times over in his blog.

I think what they deliver is probably some of the best TV around, but maybe you need to see some BAD tv to know the difference.

The worst TV on right now is The Dresden Files.... give that a look and come back and tell me whether you still think that the Smallville writers are all hacks.

They're not, the writers on the Dresden Files are.

*shudder*

I wanted that show to be SO much better than it is...

Well, I've got to agree with you. I think sometimes Smallville gets too much flack. Sometimes people take their negative opinions to an extreme that the show doesn't really deserve.

However, I don't know if I would say it's one of the best shows on TV. It's a fine example when compared to most of the dreck on TV, but there are plenty of shows on television that are, simply put, better than Smallville (in terms of dramatic material, at least - and that's just my opinion). However, I can't deny that Smallville has a special appeal to me as a comic book fan, and were I the head of a household, I think I would love the show simply because it's something a family can watch together (for the most part).

Invariably, any mistakes or duds that come within the context of an episode - character introductions, storytelling problems, etc. - are going to come down on the writers whether they deserve them or not. Personally, I don't believe that every problem I've percieved with the show during it's run are to be blamed on WB/CW execs, so I think to a point criticism of the writers is warranted (although, perhaps, not to the extent that some do it).

Personally, I think in terms of quality, Smallville falls somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. Perhaps leaning towards the "good" side, but in the middle nonetheless.

But that's just my opinion.

Ah, sweet, beautiful, dead Meg...

 

[triplet]

Well, I've got to agree with you. I think sometimes Smallville gets too much flack. Sometimes people take their negative opinions to an extreme that the show doesn't really deserve.

However, I don't know if I would say it's one of the best shows on TV. It's a fine example when compared to most of the dreck on TV, but there are plenty of shows on television that are, simply put, better than Smallville (in terms of dramatic material, at least - and that's just my opinion). However, I can't deny that Smallville has a special appeal to me as a comic book fan, and were I the head of a household, I think I would love the show simply because it's something a family can watch together (for the most part).

Invariably, any mistakes or duds that come within the context of an episode - character introductions, storytelling problems, etc. - are going to come down on the writers whether they deserve them or not. Personally, I don't believe that every problem I've percieved with the show during it's run are to be blamed on WB/CW execs, so I think to a point criticism of the writers is warranted (although, perhaps, not to the extent that some do it).

Personally, I think in terms of quality, Smallville falls somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. Perhaps leaning towards the "good" side, but in the middle nonetheless.

But that's just my opinion.

Well, I do end up blaming the writers in my reviews for things because there is really no else to blame for some things...

Somet things might be clearly actor choices or director choices, but with the writing choices it's harder to say who to blame for what.

It's easier to blame them a lot of the times, even if they don't have the ultimate responsibility because their names are on the script.

For the most part, Smallville is a stellar show.

Yeah, they have their duds (like all shows) but it is for the most part a very well written show.

 

[TwilightPro101]

Well, I do end up blaming the writers in my reviews for things because there is really no else to blame for some things...

Somet things might be clearly actor choices or director choices, but with the writing choices it's harder to say who to blame for what.

It's easier to blame them a lot of the times, even if they don't have the ultimate responsibility because their names are on the script.

For the most part, Smallville is a stellar show.

Yeah, they have their duds (like all shows) but it is for the most part a very well written show.

Sums it up, TripleT.

 

[avidreader]

^^^^ I was thinking about this recently, and I know I'm going to have a heck of time trying to put into words what I'm trying to say, but Smallville has a very small cast that's really bound to that cast and has been for 6 years now. Unlike a lot of shows out there who have new cast popping in and out all the time and characters that they can move in any direction that they want.

I think sometimes with Smallville, in order to tell a compelling story, they have to move the characters out of the mold that has been created by 50 years of history, and when they try not to move them too far out of that mold they have to cheat with the plot and it can come off as "bad writing", I guess.

It's why I think Chloe and Lionel are so popular, and even Lex to some extent, because these are characters that they can shape to fit the story, unlike Clark, Lois or Lana who have to have the story shaped to fit them.

Am I making sense? Probably not.

 

[TwilightPro101]

You are avid. Perfect.

 

[JAX]

Avid...you do make sense. Sometimes it comes off as bad writing, while other times it's the opposite.

 

[avidreader]

Avid...you do make sense. Sometimes it comes off as bad writing, while other times it's the opposite.

That I agree with. I've been reading alot of episode reviews on Live Journal by some extremely intelligent reviewers. There is a symbolic or metaphoric level of writing on Smallville that is completely missed by the average viewer, and whilst I can pick it up occasionally, these reviewers are incredible in how much they see.

 

[TwilightPro101]

That I agree with. I've been reading alot of episode reviews on Live Journal by some extremely intelligent reviewers. There is a symbolic or metaphoric level of writing on Smallville that is completely missed by the average viewer, and whilst I can pick it up occasionally, these reviewers are incredible in how much they see.

I can see that every now and again, but where are they seeing the high metaphorical level? Are they going episode after episode or season after season?

 

[avidreader]

I can see that every now and again, but where are they seeing the high metaphorical level? Are they going episode after episode or season after season?

A bit of both, they'll look at something on an episode per episode basis and then they'll also look at it in the big picture kind of way.

 

[TwilightPro101]

A bit of both, they'll look at something on an episode per episode basis and then they'll also look at it in the big picture kind of way.

Ah gotcha because it feels like some of the episodes just play into simple morality tales of the classic good vs. evil or there's the bigger scope of the season's, which we all know is hit or miss.

I'm too used to the Whedon built conflicts and issues, something the show is hit or miss on. But different shows, different worlds.

 

[triplet]

That I agree with. I've been reading alot of episode reviews on Live Journal by some extremely intelligent reviewers. There is a symbolic or metaphoric level of writing on Smallville that is completely missed by the average viewer, and whilst I can pick it up occasionally, these reviewers are incredible in how much they see.

Ah gotcha because it feels like some of the episodes just play into simple morality tales of the classic good vs. evil or there's the bigger scope of the season's, which we all know is hit or miss.

I'm too used to the Whedon built conflicts and issues, something the show is hit or miss on. But different shows, different worlds.

I think sometimes the metaphor is easier to see than others.

Onyx is a good example of this.

I loved the elegance of the writing, I think it's one of DeKnight's best despite some errors and goofs. (No Luthor ever lived in Smallville before Lex moved in, yet DeKnight wrote about Lex getting stuck in the wine cellar as a kid.)

Lex being split into two, his evil half and his good half, turned his internal, largely intangible struggle into an external one that was so in Clark's face.

Effing brilliant.



I recently rewatched Arrival and I was amazed how much better it was then I remember. I gave it a fairly high grade review-wise, but I remember being bothered by parts of the episode when I first saw it.... Those parts didn't bother me nearly as much this time.

The best part was the bookend visuals at the beginning and the end, which I did point out at the time.

It was a terrific visual to have the show start with the formation of the fortress, crystaline and white. There was hope and purity in that...

But the end of the episode showed Brainiac forming... Black crystal, as opposed to the white. Oily looking and clearly evil.

Clark was in the scene before each of those events, like he was caught in the middle and it turned out he was.

Brilliant way to start that season...

 

[TwilightPro101]

I think sometimes the metaphor is easier to see than others.

Onyx is a good example of this.

I loved the elegance of the writing, I think it's one of DeKnight's best despite some errors and goofs. (No Luthor ever lived in Smallville before Lex moved in, yet DeKnight wrote about Lex getting stuck in the wine cellar as a kid.)

Lex being split into two, his evil half and his good half, turned his internal, largely intangible struggle into an external one that was so in Clark's face.

Effing brilliant.



I recently rewatched Arrival and I was amazed how much better it was then I remember. I gave it a fairly high grade review-wise, but I remember being bothered by parts of the episode when I first saw it.... Those parts didn't bother me nearly as much this time.

The best part was the bookend visuals at the beginning and the end, which I did point out at the time.

It was a terrific visual to have the show start with the formation of the fortress, crystaline and white. There was hope and purity in that...

But the end of the episode showed Brainiac forming... Black crystal, as opposed to the white. Oily looking and clearly evil.

Clark was in the scene before each of those events, like he was caught in the middle and it turned out he was.

Brilliant way to start that season...

Now, if only we can get bookends like that again.

 

[Serene]

A bit of both, they'll look at something on an episode per episode basis and then they'll also look at it in the big picture kind of way.

I firmly believe that the most in-depth and intelligent conversation and analysis of SV episodes are on LJ. I know they've changed the way I view and review the episodes.

 

[TwilightPro101]

I'm half tempted to go the LJ route myself. Activity on here seems to die down at midnight my time and not pick up until later on the next morning. Not to say I'm leaving here. Enjoy this group.

 

[AgentPat]

I'm half tempted to go the LJ route myself. Activity on here seems to die down at midnight my time and not pick up until later on the next morning. Not to say I'm leaving here. Enjoy this group.

It's almost midnight here right now (Boston, MA). Where do you live?

 

[TwilightPro101]

It's almost midnight here right now (Boston, MA). Where do you live?

EST. Louisville, Ky.

 

[Syncos]

I think sometimes the metaphor is easier to see than others.

Onyx is a good example of this.

I loved the elegance of the writing, I think it's one of DeKnight's best despite some errors and goofs. (No Luthor ever lived in Smallville before Lex moved in, yet DeKnight wrote about Lex getting stuck in the wine cellar as a kid.)

This isn't an error. The Luthor's didn't live in Smallville. but the Mansion was a building that went back in the family for generations that they had moved to Smallville 'brick by brick'. The layout of the Mansion would be the same.