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I personally do not understand people obsession with video game characters being like them
I personally do not understand people obsession with video game characters being like them
It's not popularity Pat, it's because it's a MUCH bigger problem for women in an industry still dominated by men.
But no, let's worry about the poor fragile male gamers whom the industry is largely aimed towards.
ProjectPat2280 said:But there is still a problem. Thats the issue. You and people like you act as tho there is nothing to discuss because men happen to be ones these games are aimed at. Thats a pathetically narrow minded way to look at the issue and only does more harm in the long run.
Yes, men are represented badly here and there too, but anytime ANYONE points out the imbalance towards the way women are represented, there are always Men who pipe up and say "What about Men? We get it rough too!" That's not the bloody point. Yes, there are cases when it's the same for men, but the fact that so many Men genuinely can't accept the premise that there is gender equality is why there is STILL gender equality.
The core of this problem is attitude and perception and the sad reality is too many men refuse to accept gender inequality, either through ignorance, stubbornness or some weird form of guilt.
I mean, look at this thread... A female gamer has expressed her concern, and already 3 men have come in to contradict it by saying "What about the male characters though?" That right there is the perfect cross section of society.
I mean, look at this thread... A female gamer has expressed her concern, and already 3 men have come in to contradict it by saying "What about the male characters though?" That right there is the perfect cross section of society.
My whole point is that the industry itself has problems with gender. Its NOT just a female issue. Im getting tired of constantly seeing ONE side of the argument when the issue affects more than just one section of people. You stand up on your soap box screaming that women are getting shafted but you COMPLETELY ignore the whole issue just so you can appear to have the moral high ground.
Im saying men can relate to women and their struggles to find characters that feel like them. How many times do i have to look and Kratos and Marcus Fenix before i start feeling inadequate in the SAME way Godzilla has to look at the women in MK. Its not just a singular problem, but people like you have to stick you neck out and say "deal with it, you the majority, we are focusing on the women right now".
I think it's clear who's the narrow minded one here. Your whole attitude shows that you care more about the way men are represented than women, and there is genuine resentment in your post towards anyone with a feminist outlook.
ProjectPat2280 said:You stand up on your soap box screaming that women are getting shafted but you COMPLETELY ignore the whole issue just so you can appear to have the moral high ground.
Solidus said:Yes there is gender inequality out there and most the time it is towards women, I won't deny that. But what some of the others are simply saying is there is more to some of these things. You are painting it with a black and white brush. There is tons of grey in there whether you like it or not. I'm all for equality, but at times some don't realize there is inequality on the other side as well.
ProjectPat2280 said:Eh you're part of the problem. We've talked about this issue in my gender studies class and there are plenty of people like you who for some reason, refuse to look at the bigger issue. You key in on what you feel is the biggest argument and ignore any others. By discussion both issues that each sex has, you might be able to come to some common soltions, but you refuse to look at it that way. Its soooo much easier for you just to label individuals as misogynistic. Oh and because you seem to have such difficulty in interpreting what i am saying, im not saying men and women and their struggles are equal, im saying women dont have to feel like they are the only ones being treated in an unrealistic and unfair manner. There is a large section of men who can empathize with how women feel when presented with these tropes in media.
That's where you are full of ****. I'm not Fox News, my opinions are based completely on my experiences in life as well as an education in gender studies. All you've done there is tried to find a way to completely dismiss my argument from even being credible, which is generally what people do when they feel threatened by an opinion.
I'm not completely ignoring the whole issue, you're just grossly underestimating it. Your comparison is garbage. You are not looking at a character like Marcus Fenix in the same way that a female gamer would look at someone like Bayonetta... Because both characters are designed to appeal to Men. It's exactly the same in comics. Men are heroic, in positions of power, in cool costumes... Women have their **** and ass hanging out and usually play second fiddle to the male characters. Now sure there are exceptions here and there to that rule, but by and large, when an industry has been dominated by men for as long as it has, the only way to change that is with attitude.
Characters like Elena from Uncharted or Maddison from Heavy Rain, when characters like that become more and more mainstream, we will see start to see change for the better, but it has to start with the gamers themselves.... The games industry isn't going to change in a big way unless they feel the pressure that they HAVE to change and that's not going to happen unless people start talking about it, complaining about it, getting their voices heard...
And for the record, stating that women would like Kratos because he's muscly or that 'women like sex, look at 50 shades of grey' as an explanation for why they'd like the sex minigame? That is just sexist, plain and simple.
Next time you talk to a girl gamer you know, ask her who her favourite characters are. I bet you're more likely to get Nathan Drake, Ezio or Link than you are to get Marcus Fenix.
And yes, it is still an attitude thing. You might accuse me of soap boxing Pat, but the fact that you seem so dismissive of womens rights in fact, the fact that you seem threatened by it? That only strengthens my convictions.
And for the record, stating that women would like Kratos because he's muscly or that 'women like sex, look at 50 shades of grey' as an explanation for why they'd like the sex minigame? That is just sexist, plain and simple.
Sure, but until it's the majority, then I think gender equality is something worth championing. You disagree? Sue me.
Solidus said:My father died when I was only 8 I was raised by my mother alone. She is the greatest human being I've ever encountered and stronger then anyone else out there in more ways then one. You are acting like people like me are saying nay to women rights and their problems. There are millions of problems with inequality or the treatment of women. But there are a lot with men as well, and if you say no to that then it's just pure ignorance. I fight for equality of all, not just one side or the other. You don't create equality by dismissing and downplaying the ones that have the advantage and just switching the roles. Equality is just that both sides have equal say and problems they can bring up.
ProjectPat2280 said:Thats why your POV is so slanted. It doesnt matter if its a majority or minority. The issue itself should be discussed. You REFUSE to analyze both sides. There is common ground that both parties can find yet you just dont want to have that discussion. You feel you look better as the "champion of gender inequality".
But you guys pretty much instantly started with the "Welllll, it's not JUST women" which is typical in the defensiveness of most sexism denying men, that is i'm not calling you sexist, just complacent to something that is actually an important issue.