A question about charity organisations in the U.K.

[Whirlysplat]

Some, like Cancer Research and Heart Disease charities it's pretty easy to work out what they do. Others I have a problem with being able to do this. I'll give you an example "The NSPCC". Surely the Police deal with investigation of child abuse alongside Social Services. Social Services supports victims and the Judiciary try those accused. The Home Office oversess the whole thing and if someone is found guilty and needs to be punished the Prison Service support the sentence. So what the hell does the NSPCC do? Everyone agrees child abuse is wrong so a pressure group isn't needed. Has anyone else got any more seemingly pointless charities and could someone explain to me what exactly the NSPCC does?

Full Stop?

- Whirly

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Some, like Cancer Research and Heart Disease charities it's pretty easy to work out what they do. Others I have a problem with being able to do this. I'll give you an example "The NSPCC". Surely the Police deal with investigation of child abuse alongside Social Services. Social Services supports victims and the Judiciary try those accused. The Home Office oversess the whole thing and if someone is foound guilty and needs to be punished the Prison Service support the sentence. So what the hell does the NSPCC do? Everyone agrees child abuse is wrong a pressure group isn't needed. Has anyone else got any more seemingly pointless charities and could someone explain to me what exactly the NSPCC does?

Well, the police can only intervene when a crime is comitted.

The NSPCC is there to identify what exactly cruelty is, whether the law indentifies that as a crime or not. Many things the NSPCC is against are, or have been, within the limits of the law. Neglect is not illegal, but the NSPCC is there to put a stop to it, and so on.

Furthermore, the police can't monitor children, comfort them, talk to them on helplines, give advice to families, and so on. The NSPCC is also the leading campaigner for children's rights.

I understand you do not understand, but to call the NSPCC 'seemingly pointless' is far off the mark.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Well, the police can only intervene when a crime is comitted.

The NSPCC is there to identify what exactly cruelty is, whether the law indentifies that as a crime or not. Many things the NSPCC is against are, or have been, within the limits of the law. Neglect is not illegal, but the NSPCC is there to put a stop to it, and so on.

Furthermore, the police can't monitor children, comfort them, talk to them on helplines, give advice to families, and so on. The NSPCC is also the leading campaigner for children's rights.

I understand you do not understand, but to call the NSPCC 'seemingly pointless' is far off the mark.

Actually Neglect is illegal. The Government and Judiciary identify exactly what cruelty is. The NSPCC have no powers. It campaigns for childrens rights, these rights are set in law. What further rights do children need? Social Services job is to support families.

Nothing you have said convinces me the NSPCC is not purely their to make money for itself and create moral panics.

- Whirly

 

[Avalanche]

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/WhatWeDo/Services for children and families/serviceshub_wda38711.html

And check out the rest of the website.

The charity is about more than just campaigning. They help children and families directly, which requires funding.

 

[Whirlysplat]

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/WhatWeDo/Services for children and families/serviceshub_wda38711.html

And check out the rest of the website.

The charity is about more than just campaigning. They help children and families directly, which requires funding.

Helping the families directly is social services job, I actually have through a previous job, worked with Social Services and the Police a number of times over child abuse (well more young person abuse as they were teenagers). The NSPCC were not even part of the equation. I don't see what they do, I don't see why they feel they have a mandate. What I do see is a gravy train self perpetuating itself through moral panic. Most of the things listed their are already covered by official authorities and some are morally dubious like preparing a child for a court appearance over and above the prep. given by the Police, CPS and Social Services.

- Whirly

 

[TKing]

If the NSPCC raises awareness about child abuse, then what's the harm in that?

 

[Whirlysplat]

If the NSPCC raises awareness about child abuse, then what's the harm in that?

I have, in a previous job worked with the Police and Social services on a number of child abuse cases. The NSPCC do not come into the equation. Certain aspects of what they do are morally ambiguous, for instance preparing a child beyond the prep. given by the CPS Police and Social Services for a court cases raises questions, as does the angle they enter the situation from which is obviously skewed. Many Teachers, Carers, Foster Parents etc. are wrongly accused of child abuse each year. Some are found guilty and later on appeal or through the child admitting they are lying proven not guilty. Unfortunately a disproportionate number of these involve groups like the NSPCC. Child abuse is obviously a terrible thing, I say though leave litigation and support to the accountable authorities set up to deal with this issue. All the NSPCC do is advertise themselves. Teachers actually notice and report more child abuse etc. that proves to be supported than groups like the NSPCC. All the NSPCC seem to do is support moral panics and create a climate where adults are afraid of children.

- Whirly

 

[TKing]

I have, in a previous job worked with the Police and Social services on a number of child abuse cases. The NSPCC do not come into the equation. Certain aspects of what they do are morally ambiguous, for instance preparing a child beyond the prep. given by the CPS Police and Social Services for a court cases raises questions, as does the angle they enter the situation from which is obviously skewed. Many Teachers, Carers, Foster Parents etc. are wrongly accused of child abuse each year. Some are found guilty and later on appeal or through the child admitting they are lying proven not guilty. Unfortunately a disproportionate number of these involve groups like the NSPCC. Child abuse is obviously a terrible thing, I say though leave litigation and support to the accountable authorities set up to deal with this issue. All the NSPCC do is advertise themselves. Teachers actually notice and report more child abuse etc. that proves to be supported than groups like the NSPCC. All the NSPCC seem to do is support moral panics and create a climate where adults are afraid of children.

- Whirly

Really? I never got that impression. The NSPCC is just there to promote awareness and to get you to stop and think about what's happening. I don't see the harm in advertising, when many young children's lives could be at stake. After all, if it makes people stand up and report such occurences, then that should be good, yes?

 

[kingman]

I thought the NSPCC was similar to Childine in allowing the children themselves to make an anonymous call so they could get help

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Actually Neglect is illegal.

That would be criminal negligence or criminal neglect.

The Government and Judiciary identify exactly what cruelty is. The NSPCC have no powers.

Of course they do. They have influence, and they have the ability to reach people. They have a trusted name.

It campaigns for childrens rights, these rights are set in law. What further rights do children need?

That's the whole point of the NSPCC, to consider, "What rights do children need?"

Nothing you have said convinces me the NSPCC is not purely their to make money for itself and create moral panics.

Have you got some underlying reason for this assault? Maybe Great Ormond Street next?

 

[Whirlysplat]

That's the whole point of the NSPCC, to consider, "What rights do children need?"

No that's elected officials jobs, and yes criminal neglect is neglect. hence why it's criminal. Children who are neglected first get put on the "at risk" register by social services when concerns for their well being are raised. It is then investigated. No need for some group of self promoters to be involved.
Barnados etc. are different they have a definite purpose and role, they provide something. The NSPCC in my opinion are not.

What the NSPCC suggest you do if you suspect neglect

"It is not always easy to be sure that neglect is taking place. There can sometimes be other explanations for a child's worrying appearance or behaviour. If you are still concerned about a child or young person, contact the NSPCC helpline on 0808 800 5000 or contact your local social services. All our advisers are qualified child protection officers. If necessary, they will pass details of your concerns to the local social services department and ask them to look into the situation."

So what they will do is pass it on to social services Pointless, go to Social Services first.
"Get on, get on, get on that charity gravy train". Words sung to the music of the farms "Groovy Train"

- Whirly