The Amazing Spider-Man a realistic new york this time

[©KAW]

The New Yorkers should have been blown to bits by The Green Goblin. The whole New Yorkers to the rescue is what makes Spider-Man's villains seem so damn weak on screen. Did you see any Gotham folks trying to stop The Joker as he was unloading rounds in the street, or New Yorkers helping when Magneto was bending Wolverine's adamantium like Beckham? I mean come on, why wouldn't Green Goblin toss a freakin' bomb at them, isn't that what he's known for? The New Yorkers and New York itself was written horribly in the previous films. Nothing seems real, or believable, and you didn't even need Spidey or a villain as fiction to take believability away.

The sad part is, even when we have Green Goblin tossing a bomb at people (Oscorp associates) they're turned into kooky, clean and shiny CGI bones, like you're watching an episode of Land Of The Lost or Doctor Who. Raimi was too soft with the villains, if you even want to call them villains. Damn near 25 years in the biz before helming Spider-Man, and the director directs these films like an amateur.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

The New Yorkers should have been blown to bits by The Green Goblin. The whole New Yorkers to the rescue is what makes Spider-Man's villains seem so damn weak on screen. Did you see any Gotham folks trying to stop The Joker as he was unloading rounds in the street, or New Yorkers helping when Magneto was bending Wolverine's adamantium like Beckham? I mean come on, why wouldn't Green Goblin toss a freakin' bomb at them, isn't that what he's known for? The New Yorkers and New York itself was written horribly in the previous films. Nothing seems real, or believable, and you didn't even need Spidey or a villain as fiction to take believability away.

this! couldn't have said it better myself. seriously, if someone is throwing crap at you are you just going to stand around and do nothing?? HELL NO! you fight back. and Goblin had the bombs, just flick a couple at the people throwing crap at you and it's done. besides, that one dude even said "you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us." almost as if taunting Goblin. the real Goblin from the comics would not have hesitated.

 

[chaseter]

The real Goblin from the comics would have been wearing a purple onesie and had a man satchel filled with bombs. So evil!

 

[El Payaso]

The real Goblin from the comics would have been wearing a purple onesie and had a man satchel filled with bombs. So evil!

He still would have bombed those people back.

 

[©KAW]

The real Goblin from the comics would have been wearing a purple onesie and had a man satchel filled with bombs. So evil!

Yeah, and the Joker wears a clown face and a purple/green suit, so what's your point, yet he blows up an entire phucking hospital killing everyone inside? That's what real villains do. And you people wonder why we keep bringing up The Dark Knight.

 

[chaseter]

Joker didn't kill anyone inside the hospital. They all escaped

 

[©KAW]

What the Fraggle Rock?

 

[chaseter]

He shot that one cop. So it would be like GG telling the people on the bridge that he would kill them all and then he kills one guy.

 

[©KAW]

But he did nothing.

Then again, maybe it's for the best, the killings in Spider-Man looked humorous.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Even the Dark knight didn't have the balls to blow up an entire group of people, so its a bit unrealistic to expect the first Spider-man, which came out before the big Superhero wave, to do exactly that.

 

[chaseter]

But he did nothing.

Then again, maybe it's for the best, the killings in Spider-Man looked humorous.

I would bet that he has the same type of pumpkin bombs in the comics.

 

[TheSlag]

The main point is that scene should have never been in the movie to begin with. It was a cheap simplistic effect to evoke emotion that was not necessary, and hurt the scene's impact.

It also demonstrates Raimi's "subtle" approach to conveying messages/emotions on the screen. He is about as subtle as a baseball bat up side the head. Just like his overuse of flag shots (patriotism). His overuse of kids in the movies (yes, Spidey protects the innocent). And his overuse of MANY scenes to make Peter appear dorky (yes, we get it Raimi, Peter is a nerd like a lot of us, we get it, that is why we love his character so much), BUT we DO NOT need to be hit over the head with a baseball bat to "get it".

And even with that scene in the movie, they could of still had Goblin shoot a missle or toss a pumpkin bomb at the crowd, exploding below them on the bridge... scattering them like co@kroaches when the kitchen light comes on.

It was a wasted, stupid, inept scene that did nothing but attempt simplisticly to induce a cheap emotional response. : It added nothing else to the scene or the character development.

 

[TheSlag]

The sad part is, even when we have Green Goblin tossing a bomb at people (Oscorp associates) they're turned into kooky, clean and shiny CGI bones, like you're watching an episode of Land Of The Lost or Doctor Who. Raimi was too soft with the villains, if you even want to call them villains. Damn near 25 years in the biz before helming Spider-Man, and the director directs these films like an amateur.

1) Good to see you Kaw. This place lacks needed insights when you're not posting.

2) AMEN on the dang turn em into Skeletions that then disentegrate. Talk about the Reboot NEEDING to establish some realism. Sheesh.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Yeah, and the Joker wears a clown face and a purple/green suit, so what's your point, yet he blows up an entire phucking hospital killing everyone inside? That's what real villains do. And you people wonder why we keep bringing up The Dark Knight.

I think we saw a different TDK, as I recall people escaping said hospital.

 

[©KAW]

Why is it unrealistic to expect to see a bunch of people die in a PG-13 film, people were beheaded and had their heads catapulted in Lord of the Rings. It doesn't have to be graphic, they can shoot it from a distance. What's the big deal? Why should one PG-13 film be any less dangerous over another, when both have villains in them.

I'm really interested to see the tone of the new film. I'd like to see a much harder edge to the villains, where you get a since of one being in danger. No more super-powered villains whom just sit there and do nothing, when people are throwing their Sunday garbage at them...and being confronted by average New Yorkers.

 

[©KAW]

I think we saw a different TDK, as I recall people escaping said hospital.

As big as that explosion was, come on, it's a hospital. What about pregnant women, sick children, bed ridden patients, there's no way everyone escaped that. I thought that was obvious, guess not.

 

[Ajendo]

Yeah, and the Joker wears a clown face and a purple/green suit, so what's your point, yet he blows up an entire phucking hospital killing everyone inside? That's what real villains do. And you people wonder why we keep bringing up The Dark Knight.

Not to mention he was dressed as a female nurse.

 

[SpeterMan3]

Not to mention he was dressed as a female nurse.

No lie, I found that to be the scariest part.

 

[Chris Wallace]

We DID see the movie end on a depressing note. Harry hated Spidey for killing his father, and Peter rejected MJ for a life of solitude.

In what way was this a happy ending?



Oh so you think Spider-Man must only save the innocent and not the guilty?

You're just proving my point, some deaths are not preventable. Spider-Man couldn't save them any more than he could have saved the board members, Rosie Octavius etc.



Yet he blamed himself for it anyway. He doesn't act and people get hurt. He does act, and people still get hurt. That's the message it's sending. He's Spider-Man, not God Almighty.

If the people on the bridge died from deliberately antagonizing an armed psychopath on a glider, while Spidey was indisposed holding a tram full of kids, that would be their funeral. Look at the scene in Spider-Man 2, when the train passengers stood up to Ock. A couple of them went through the windows when he smashed them all aside. Spidey's not to blame for that either. You mess with a super villain, you suffer the consequences.



No, I'm supporting the notion that Spider-Man would not be to blame if Goblin had flown up there and bombed the lot of them while he was saving that tram.

First off, I was not saying that he should only save the innocent. But you listed those names in response to my statement about innocent people dying in front of him, no matter what he did.
And the way I see it, turning his attention toward the people on the bridge would have meant giving up his advantage over Spider-Man. It was only a couple of seconds after the garbage started hitting Gobby that the barge was in position. Spidey could've snagged him instead of it being the other way around.
Nevertheless, the whole point of being a superhero is to protect innocents above all else. If innocents die trying to protect you, your mission is a failure. That would have been a much more depressing note than his buddy's grudge and him not getting the girl. No matter what I do, I'm still forced to helplessly watch innocents die.

What really kills me about this thread is, we're basically arguing that as much as Peter's life sucked, some of us feel that he didn't suffer enough?

 

[©KAW]

Let him suffer...it's part of being a hero and fighting your A-List villain. What, should they both hang out in Jelly Stone Park looking for a pic-o-nic basket?

It takes only a second to throw a pumpkin bomb and kill those people dead...and he should have done it.

 

[chaseter]

The main point is that scene should have never been in the movie to begin with.

The main point is that people want some things to be more like the comics and when they are they say they think it's dumb or when they aren't, TDK, they think it's great.

 

[©KAW]

No one wants to see the Spider-Mobile, that was in the comics. It's why I say you have to be a smart director to direct comic book films. TDK is great because it handles its subject matters better than the Spider-Man films did, and doesn't treat the audience like a bunch of 4 year olds.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

with all your complaining I see, I'm surprised to see you aren't one yourself.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

The real Goblin from the comics would have been wearing a purple onesie and had a man satchel filled with bombs. So evil!

that outfit would have still been better than what we got inthe movie

He shot that one cop. So it would be like GG telling the people on the bridge that he would kill them all and then he kills one guy.

Joker killed more than just one cop. he killed 2 mobsters, one of his goons in the bank, a fake batman, and then he shot that one cop on the street with a shotgun

 

[storyteller]

Spiderman 3 showed them how fickle the city was though. At the start they throw him a parade but one faked photo and he's public enemy number 1. In the comics for the most part the city is pretty good to him especially since he became an avenger. Its sorta hard to maintain the guy is a menace when he saves a bunch of kids every so often. Now I wouldn't mind some humorous negative spider and overboard hero worship though.