A Terminator question.

[Under The Rose]

But Kyle was his father, who was born later than John. How can this be? How could John sent him, if he was younger than his son?

You mean the very first time he sent Kyle bacl... ? Because its one big mind ****..... Simple reason :Up:

Anyone ever read the T2 books? Infiltrator, Rising Storm, Future war

Those are way way better than T3 and i would have loved to see them as films dam hollywood.

 

[xwolverine2]

Yep.
T3 made T1 and T2's plots pointless.

umm.... so did the T2-3d...

in t2-3d they made it clear that judgement day was inevitable...so dont ****ing blame it on t3. james cameron did it before whats his name

 

[livrule]

umm.... so did the T2-3d...

in t2-3d they made it clear that judgement day was inevitable...so dont ****ing blame it on t3. james cameron did it before whats his name

Good point.

To me Judgement Day WAS inevitable ... nothing any of the characters did in the past could change the future ... because what they were doing was actually CREATING the future they were trying to stop.

By sending Terminators to the past Skynet was starting the process that would lead to is own 'birth' ...

By sending Terminators to the past Skynet was actually HELPING to create John Conner because Reese had to follow ...

 

[livrule]

But Kyle was his father, who was born later than John. How can this be? How could John sent him, if he was younger than his son?

Kyle was sent back in time ... and died in the past.

He will be born again at which point his son John will be much older than him.

John knows Kyle is his father which is why he knows he must send him back to the past to make Sarah pregnant.

Its a loop ... when John was born his father was still years away from actually being born himself!

 

[Cinemaman]

Kyle was sent back in time ... and died in the past.

He will be born again at which point his son John will be much older than him.

John knows Kyle is his father which is why he knows he must send him back to the past to make Sarah pregnant.

Its a loop ... when John was born his father was still years away from actually being born himself!

I can understand this.

But I will try to explain you my question.

How can Kyle be his father, if he is younger than John?

What was the real father of Connor before Kyle was even born?

Just at first, you should look at past, and then you can see the real future.

John was born in 80s, but who was his father, if John wasn't even grown to sent Kyle back?

 

[Van Petrol]

Well apparently what the filmmakers said at the time was that Arnie's model in T3 was supposed to be slightly updated from the models that appeared in T1 and T2. Hence the T-850.

 

[Van Petrol]

I can understand this.

But I will try to explain you my question.

How can Kyle be his father, if he is younger than John?

What was the real father of Connor before Kyle was even born?

Just at first, you should look at past, and then you can see the real future.

John was born in 80s, but who was his father, if John wasn't even grown to sent Kyle back?

What I presume happened is that John's father before Kyle was sent back in time was another man.

But when Kyle was sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor he probably got to her before she met John's actual father.

We all know what happened from there, and in the process Kyle became John's father.

If you get my drift?.....

 

[Cinemaman]

What I presume happened is that John's father before Kyle was sent back in time was another man.

But when Kyle was sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor he probably got to her before she met John's actual father.

We all know what happened from there, and in the process Kyle became John's father.

If you get my drift?.....

Yep, no questions

 

[U.S War Machine]

hey t-3 got a 3 star rating

 

[Carter]

I dug T3

 

[Furious Styles]

I can understand this.

But I will try to explain you my question.

How can Kyle be his father, if he is younger than John?

What was the real father of Connor before Kyle was even born?

Just at first, you should look at past, and then you can see the real future.

John was born in 80s, but who was his father, if John wasn't even grown to sent Kyle back?

From my understanding, the Terminator saga works under a single branch timeline theory....

So in the first timeline; some nobody is John Connor's father and John Connor sends Kyle Reese back in time to protect Sarah from The Terminator. In the first timeline, there is no relation between John Connor and Kyle Reese.

In the second timeline however; (The events of Terminator 1) things are changed. Sarah meets Kyle Reese and is now aware of the impending war and now it is Kyle who fathers John...

The third timeline branches off once again (THe events of T2) where to make a long story short, they avoid Judgment Day or atleast create an unknown future, where the future war may or may not happen.

Of coure, those ****ing idiots in T3 screwed up everything to make a few extra bucks...

 

[Cinemaman]

^^^

Ok, agreed.

 

[livrule]

From my understanding, the Terminator saga works under a single branch timeline theory....

So in the first timeline; some nobody is John Connor's father and John Connor sends Kyle Reese back in time to protect Sarah from The Terminator. In the first timeline, there is no relation between John Connor and Kyle Reese.

In the second timeline however; (The events of Terminator 1) things are changed. Sarah meets Kyle Reese and is now aware of the impending war and now it is Kyle who fathers John...

The third timeline branches off once again (THe events of T2) where to make a long story short, they avoid Judgment Day or atleast create an unknown future, where the future war may or may not happen.

Of coure, those ****ing idiots in T3 screwed up everything to make a few extra bucks...

No, No, No guys ....

Kyle is and always was Johns Father ...

That is why John sent him back in time ... because if he didn't he would never be born.
Sarah says this in a tape at the end of Terminator 1.

Its a time loop .... If Kyle did not go back to 1984 then John would not have been born ...

The moment John first saw Kyle in the future he KNEW that was his Father and he KNEW that he must send him back in time to ensure he would meet Sarah.

 

[livrule]

What I presume happened is that John's father before Kyle was sent back in time was another man.

But when Kyle was sent back in time to protect Sarah Connor he probably got to her before she met John's actual father.

We all know what happened from there, and in the process Kyle became John's father.

If you get my drift?.....

Nope ... like I said.

Kyle was chosen to protect Sarah for TWO reasons ...

Because John in the future ALREADY knew he would be successful AND because John KNEW that Kyle was his Father.

If Kyle had not gone back John would never be born.

 

[Leto Atrides]

No, No, No guys ....

Kyle is and always was Johns Father ...

That is why John sent him back in time ... because if he didn't he would never be born.
Sarah says this in a tape at the end of Terminator 1.

Its a time loop .... If Kyle did not go back to 1984 then John would not have been born ...

The moment John first saw Kyle in the future he KNEW that was his Father and he KNEW that he must send him back in time to ensure he would meet Sarah.

Yeah, the T-800 and Reese going back was always a part of 1984. Which contradicts them always going on about the future being unsure, but makes alot more sense when you stand back and look at the whole thing.

 

[livrule]

Yeah, the T-800 and Reese going back was always a part of 1984. Which contradicts them always going on about the future being unsure, but makes alot more sense when you stand back and look at the whole thing.

Exactly.

 

[Under The Rose]

Indeed im sure i read a draft script once that was somthing like

Man: Wow he is brave for going back in time
John: He must go back to save us all
Man: Hu?
John: He is my father.


But i think what the people above are trying to say is WHO is johns father the first time the loop starts.

John cant help start the resistance and send someone back intime if he isn`t even born the first time in the loop. If you get what i mean.....

 

[Under The Rose]

Board Magic

 

[heypapajinx]

yes, i completely agree with the single timeline theory. that's how John knew who to send back to continue the loop in time. i loved 1 & 2 but c'mon with 3!!?! what do they take us for, saps!? i think the exploration of the older models was cool but everything else was pretty upsetting. i always felt the first two were on the verge of originality, 3 just felt so Hollywood formula.
and allz i know is, Kyle was hot and wore the coolest Nike's ever.

 

[Warhammer]

F***ing time-travel in the Terminator movies is so damn confusing.
I always believed that The Terminator universe worked under multiple timelines, but obviously doing research, T3, or even T2-3D (As XW2 said), I guess they work as a single timeline.

I don't care.
It's only damn movies.

 

[Warhammer]

...and just wondering, since/if the Terminator Universe works under 1 timeline, then that would mean if the 1st Terminator and the T-1000 actually fulfilled their missions, then the future of John Connor would be wiped out causing the world of the present to completely avoid the doomed future? (Doing exactly no harm to the world because John Connor would be wiped out of existance)


...now I wonder if James Cameron really thought out all of this s***.

 

[heypapajinx]

...and just wondering, since/if the Terminator Universe works under 1 timeline, then that would mean if the 1st Terminator and the T-1000 actually fulfilled their missions, then the future of John Connor would be wiped out causing the world of the present to completely avoid the doomed future? (Doing exactly no harm to the world because John Connor would be wiped out of existance)


...now I wonder if James Cameron really thought out all of this s***.

i think that if the terminator had suceeded in any of the movies it would just mean that there would be no John Connor to lead the revolution of the people against the machines and therefor there would be no hope for the human population to continue. Judgement Day is inevitable. at least that's what i understood.

 

[Kent]

It's all one timeline. The future is set.

It was clear from both T1 and T2 that events set into action by Kyle Reese set Sarah and John on a direct path towards the future.
I mean, without Kyle Reese there's really no indication that Sarah would teach his son (any son) anything about survival or how to wage a war. She was just an ordinary girl working at a diner. It is because of her foreknowledge of the future that John is allowed to become "this great military leader". Without this there doesn't seem to be anything indicating that she'd raise a son in this manner.

Also note that the t-800 in T2 mentions Miles Dyson as one of the people working on the technology that created Skynet... But Miles only worked on the technology due to the terminator skeleton left in their facilities in T1, and explicitly states that the tech was amazing and new to them... indicating they were not on their way to making this kind of stuff on their own. Again, something from the future makes sure that that very same future will exist.

It's one time loop.

Until T3 that is.

 

[Warhammer]

Gotcha.
Great explanations Papajinx and Kent.

 

[Leto Atrides]

...and just wondering, since/if the Terminator Universe works under 1 timeline, then that would mean if the 1st Terminator and the T-1000 actually fulfilled their missions, then the future of John Connor would be wiped out causing the world of the present to completely avoid the doomed future? (Doing exactly no harm to the world because John Connor would be wiped out of existance)


...now I wonder if James Cameron really thought out all of this s***.

My guess is not really.