ABC's Once Upon a Time - Part 5

[JP]

I agree.

 

[SuperT]

I dunno. Am I the only one that really feels odd about the inclusion of Oz and The Wicked Witch? I never really felt as if Oz was Disney related.

Well the show has never been 100% Disney related - I look at it as an more inferior version of Fables. They've done King Midas, Doctor Frankenstein, Jack & the Beanstalk, Rumplestilkin, Red Riding Hood, Hansel & Gretel and others I'm sure I'm forgetting.

They never explicitly said it's just going to be Disney characters, but characters from fairy tale and folklore. That pretty much means everything is fair game - of course within reason.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well the show has never been 100% Disney related - I look at it as an more inferior version of Fables. They've done King Midas, Doctor Frankenstein, Jack & the Beanstalk, Rumplestilkin, Red Riding Hood, Hansel & Gretel and others I'm sure I'm forgetting.

They never explicitly said it's just going to be Disney characters, but characters from fairy tale and folklore. That pretty much means everything is fair game - of course within reason.

even a reference to Mr. Darcy from Jane Austen. hell... if anything... Once needs to not get stuck in doing "everything" Disney... the first season felt much more encompassed in literary fantasy.. than the last season and a half.

Bring in Narnia, Jules Verne, Sherlock Holmes, The Headless Horseman, etc...

 

[Doc Ock]

I've been hoping for Sherlock Holmes to pop for a while, perhaps in the same Victorian era as Alice and Wendy seems to originate from. And the Headless Horseman, can Narnia appear? Is that possible I thought the family had some kind rights thing on it which halted the next movie for a while.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well one of the doors in the mad hatters hat was a wardrobe i believe.

Mixing the Snow Queen (frozen) with the White Witch in narnia would make alot of sense

 

[Hush]

I really hope the inclusion of Oz-related stuff drives up viewership a bit. Given the secrecy around who they cast as Pan at the beginning of the season, they really didn't play that up at all in the promos. But here, they're dropping the Wicked Witch, the yellow brick road, flying monkeys... and Wizard of Oz is without a doubt more ingrained in pop culture than Peter Pan. Hopefully this gets the second half of the season some attention.

I hope this Oz-realted stuff drives up the creativity in the story telling dept. that was sorely lacking the Pan story to me and is the reason it didn't seem to resonate with people in the ratings IMO.

I mean how can you do a Pan story and not in one instance have Hook VS Pan on a pirate ship in swashbuckling fashion? No inclusion of Shmee and did we even get a reference to Tiger Lily? I mean I'm not saying you devote more time to the story but for heavens sakes include som of the classic elements and themes of the story, even this shows version of Beauty and The Beast had Gaston, for all of 2 seconds, but it was a nice nod to the film.

Hopefully we can get some stuff like that from this Oz tale and maybe kill a few useless characters off so we can thin the damn heard on the show.

 

[Sawyer]

I hope this Oz-realted stuff drives up the creativity in the story telling dept. that was sorely lacking the Pan story to me and is the reason it didn't seem to resonate with people in the ratings IMO.

I think alot of what went wrong in the first half of the season was a direct result of the *****ing that went on about S2. "You guys are complaining about too much plot, not enough character in S2? Well, here you go, nine straight episodes of these guys walking around the jungle and talking and ****. Oh, you didn't like that either? Then shut up and let the writers do what they do." I take the complaints about the first half of S3 alot more seriously than I do the complaints about S2. There was no shortage of character development in S2. There were just a handful of filler-y episodes and a rushed finale. If they can get back to S2 quality in the second half, great. Regardless of some filler, there was also some of the best episodes in the series (Manhattan, The Miller's Daughter, Welcome to Storybrooke), which is more than I can say for this first half.

 

[Maximus One]

Of course I'm aware of other non-Disney stuff. My point still stands. Hard to quite point my finger on why exactly Oz feels a tad outta place but it does to me. Just a bit though. Id be all for some Jules Verne or Charles Dickens or more mythological or literary or folklore but Oz just feels more modern I guess. I've never really even thought of it as a fairy tale. It totally feels more modern than the others which are all 19th century or older.

 

[Hush]

I think alot of what went wrong in the first half of the season was a direct result of the *****ing that went on about S2. "You guys are complaining about too much plot, not enough character in S2? Well, here you go, nine straight episodes of these guys walking around the jungle and talking and ****. Oh, you didn't like that either? Then shut up and let the writers do what they do." I take the complaints about the first half of S3 alot more seriously than I do the complaints about S2. There was no shortage of character development in S2. There were just a handful of filler-y episodes and a rushed finale. If they can get back to S2 quality in the second half, great. Regardless of some filler, there was also some of the best episodes in the series (Manhattan, The Miller's Daughter, Welcome to Storybrooke), which is more than I can say for this first half.

Writers have no business listening to the fans when it comes to matters like show content. That fact really annoys me.

 

[SuperBatman]

I dunno. Am I the only one that really feels odd about the inclusion of Oz and The Wicked Witch? I never really felt as if Oz was Disney related. I dunno, just seems different compared to everything else. I think the show has taken a really weird turn after the first half of the season and I think it's one of those things where it could either kill the show or revitalize it. Just seems like so much to add after we've already had a ton added to the mythos this season.

Well keep in mind this show isn't just about things disney related its mostly about things in a storytale setting.

 

[Maximus One]

Well keep in mind this show isn't just about things disney related its mostly about things in a storytale setting.

Of course I'm aware of other non-Disney stuff. My point still stands. Hard to quite point my finger on why exactly Oz feels a tad outta place but it does to me. Just a bit though. Id be all for some Jules Verne or Charles Dickens or more mythological or literary or folklore but Oz just feels more modern I guess. I've never really even thought of it as a fairy tale. It totally feels more modern than the others which are all 19th century or older.

^^^

 

[WorthyStevens]

Just thought of this. In the context of the show, how the hell would all these different authors (e.g. Mary Shelley, Frank L. Baum), know these stories, if they 'really' happened? Or would the show just condense everything to having been written by just one author?

 

[Primal Slayer]

My personal theory is that all those authors ended up in each individual world.

It is sad that Season 3 seemed to start out so strong, I really loved the premier but everything after that just fell through. Way to much forest, they sucked all the life out of Neverland, changed way to much just to be surprising. I am fine with changes here and there but not to extreme. They introduced Ariel just for the sake of introducing her and did nothing with the character.

But the trailer for 3b looks pretty good so I am hoping for the best.

 

[SuperT]

My personal theory is that all those authors ended up in each individual world.

That's been my theory as well - all those authors visited these realms and brought the stories back with them.

 

[Donut]

I guess it won't take long for things 2 get back 2 normal with this show

 

[SuperT]

So I'm confused about some scenes in that promo - they all got sent back to The Enchanted Forest after Storybrooke was destroyed but it looks like they are all back in SB in some of those shots.

I was hoping they would stay in The Enchanted Forest for good.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That's been my theory as well - all those authors visited these realms and brought the stories back with them.

Just thought of this. In the context of the show, how the hell would all these different authors (e.g. Mary Shelley, Frank L. Baum), know these stories, if they 'really' happened? Or would the show just condense everything to having been written by just one author?

I don't think it's that simple for everyone...

I think some certainly visited (the Brother Grimm), some probably saw the world in their dreams (Like both Henry and Aurora were transported to worlds in their sleep), some could have possibly even created their world... I think there's many answers... and probably arn't the same for every author.

 

[Sawyer]

http://tvline.com/2014/02/18/once-upon-a-time-wicked-witch-dorothy/

What Makes Once Upon a Time's Wicked Witch So Wicked? Plus: Who's Dorothy In this Story?

When Once Upon a Time resumes its season on March 9, the ABC drama will commence its first dive into the stories of Oz — including the introduction of a witch who is so wicked partly because the character is, as one cast member puts it, “so damn likeable.”

Make no mistake, Rebecca Mader‘s Wicked Witch — as seen in the fairytale land portions of the coming episodes — is unabashedly abominable. (As she snarls to a minion in the midseason premiere, “I’m wicked, and wicked always wins.&#8221 But as revealed by ABC’s synopsis for the second half of Season 3, there remains a Storybrooke component to the storytelling. Because although the fall finale ended with the Maine burg vanishing from existence (as Regina, Snow White et al were returned to the Enchanted Forest), mysterious circumstances restore Storybrooke and much of its population — the Wicked Witch’s “kindly” alter ego included.

In her Storybrooke form, the witch “is seemingly a kindred spirit to Snow White, which is part of what makes her so evil,” Ginnifer Goodwin explained during TVLine’s visit to the show’s Vancouver set last week. “She seems so genuinely kind and has a way of becoming intimate with others and making them trust her…. Rebecca Mader called her ‘Mary Poppins,’ because she was just so damn likeable!”

Goodwin credits Mader for that wicked wrinkle, explaining how the Lost alum tweaked her Storybrooke persona while rehearsing her first such scene. “She wanted her to be manipulative and conniving, something of an investigator,” Goodwin relates. “But then she realized, ‘No, what would actually be wicked would be to match Snow’s sweetness and really seem like someone cut from the same cloth.’”

So good is Mader at being so bad, Goodwin said with a laugh that she and others will at times witness a scene and find themselves wondering, “Is it bad that in some respects we want her to win?!”

Of course, if you bring on a Wicked Witch (and, ultimately, a good one), it stands to reason that somewhere in this Oz-some arc, there must be a Dorothy. Could that role be filled by Emma, who for the past year has been living with Henry in New York City, oblivious to her fantastical origins or their Storybrooke days? If a certain pirate can somehow find a way to convince Emma of the unbelievable truth?

“I think so…. Eventually,” Jennifer Morrison offers. “I’m not sure, but… a lot of this is about Emma accepting Storybrooke as her home, so I think that’s where the Dorothy theme will come into it, that ‘there’s no place like home.’”

http://tvline.com/2014/02/18/once-upon-a-time-season-3-spoilers-emma-hook-new-york/

Once Upon a Time's Midseason Return: Emma's New Life, Hook's Mission and 8 More Teasers
BY VLADA GELMAN

It’s a strange new world when Once Upon a Time returns on March 9 (ABC, 8/7c) with Emma and Henry now on their own in New York City and the residents of Storybrooke contending with a Wicked new foe.

Having been privy to an early peek at the show’s winter premiere, TVLine is sharing some scoop on what to expect:

1 | Emma and Henry have made a very nice life for themselves in NYC, complete with a snazzy new wardrobe for the bail bondswoman. Also, Chris Gorham’s (Covert Affairs) character is a very big part of their world.

2 | Hook is relentless in his quest to make Emma believe the fantastical truth, and he’s got a couple of tricks up his leather sleeve to help him convince her of her origins. There’s also much comedy to be found in his (mis)adventures in the city.

3 | Flashbacks to one year ago reveal how the denizens of Storybrooke landed in a very convenient place once back in the Enchanted Forest, where they ran into multiple familiar faces — some of whom withhold a huge secret.

4 | Everyone will stick together in their travels in the Enchanted Forest — except for one character who forges out on his/her own.

5 | Someone gets locked up.

6 | Regina takes drastic measures to deal with the pain of missing Henry — while Snow White tries to play wingman for her frenemy.

7 | This line will make you LOL: “He smells of forest.”

8 | Belle has a plan….

9 | Multiple pieces of Once Upon a Time iconography make a triumphant return.

10 | There will be “monkey” business. And suffice to say, these winged primates have more (and scarier) “teeth” to ‘em than Margaret Hamilton’s ever did.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

New promo!

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I think I saw a flying monkey!

"Be prepared."

OMG, Lion King's coming to Once Upon a Time!

 

[Specter313]

Question: I see your colleague Matt Mitovich visited the Once Upon a Time set. Did he get anything on Neal? —Viviane
Ausiello: He most certainly did. The good news is that Neal is resolved to reunite with Emma, some way, somehow. The bad news is that his baby momma’s parents don’t immediately agree with his agenda, since they know that Emma is now living in NYC, partially oblivious yet unarguably happy with son Henry. As Josh Dallas explained to MM on the set, “When we get back to fairytale land, Neal is determined to go find Emma, but Charming and Snow just want their daughter to be happy. So they try to say, ‘Look, this is where we live now. This is what we have and that [other realm] is where she and Henry are. We have to let them go.’” But will Neal listen?


Question: In Episode 2.05 of Once Upon A Time, “The Doctor,” there is a scene with young Regina, Rumple and Jefferson at his castle. When Rumple mentions something about the “ruby slippers,” the camera focuses on Regina’s face and she appears nervous and drops something on the table, indicating that the mention of the ruby slippers had some effect on her. Was that on purpose? Is Regina somehow connected to OZ or the footwear in question? —Ana
Ausiello: First off, the slippers you refer to “probably won’t be ruby,” exec producer Eddie Kitsis reveals. Adds fellow EP Adam Horowitz: “The ruby slippers may have been a false road because, in the books, they were silver slippers.” And Once will be “sticking to the book for legal reasons,” confirms Kitsis. Now, back to your actual question regarding Regina’s connection to OZ, I have no clue. But at least I cleared up the ruby confusion! That’s gotta be worth something!


http://tvline.com/2014/02/18/castle-season-6-that-70s-show-flashback-kate-rick-spoilers/

 

[spideyboy_1111]

..... Sooooooooooooo the witch can be green but the slippers can't be red? And plenty other shows have done "red oz shoes" before.... Odd

 

[Sawyer]

The red slippers are a trademark of the Judy Garland film. Oz the Great and Powerful couldn't use them either.

 

[Specter313]

I so envy Natalie Abrams! I want to watch Once Upon a Time'smidseason premiere too! — Emma, via Twitter
It was everything that I imagined and more. The midseason premiere, which jumps back a year to tell the story of everyone's return to the Enchanted Forest, also features a shocking proposal that doesn't quite go the way of happily-ever-after. Plus: There's this.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mega-Buzz-Scandal-Crazy-Ones-Once-Spoilers-1077908.aspx


Well, at least they gave the Wicked Witch a unique name, to say the least.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The red slippers are a trademark of the Judy Garland film. Oz the Great and Powerful couldn't use them either.

Im aware of that, but so wasn't the WW being green. And I've seen red oz shoes on other oz themed show episodes. Supernatural even used a pair in their episode.

I find it strange. Especially when they already mentioned ruby slippers in a past episode. Its just a bit odd.

 

[jaymes_e06]

"Be prepared."

OMG, Lion King's coming to Once Upon a Time!

Yey "flying monkeys" is obviously code for Whoopi Goldberg hyenas.