About Craig's face

super_fan said:
I agree 100 percent. I regard Craig as an abysmal choice to play the iconic James Bond. All the people that say Bond isn't meant to be coventionally handsome are WRONG. Every representation of Bond - books, posters, comic strips, newspaper comic strips, movies etc shows a conventional or classically handsome man as Bond.
Quite untrue and misleading. The Fleming books do seem to indicate more of an interesting-looking fellow than anything else. Even if he's not Bond in the exact details (though I believe many of Fleming's characteristics match up), in spirit he fits Fleming's Bond to a tee.

And even after saying that, I don't think he's really far off from the Fleming look. This photo, which I posted earlier, I think definitely demonstrates that he's not really far off by any means.

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And he's hardly far off from the McLusky Bond:

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The other major problem with Craig is his potential lack of charm - and I mean Bond type charm. I've seen some clips of his Bond delivery (the Casino Royale site has some clips) and he seems charmless, lacking the suave confidence we identity with the role.
I don't think my reaction to those clips could be any different from yours - for me, it just confirmed why he was *the* perfect choice. He seems 100% confident, suave, and his line delivery is outstanding - at least in the clips we have thus far. "That last hand nearly killed me." Wonderful. There's a reason Campbell is grinning like hell when Craig says that.

I think Craig is going to be a less charming version of Timothy Dalton's Bond - and I do like Dalton's Bond but he played the part with less charm and more intensity.
I disagree - I think Craig, for all of his rougher look, has more of a raw sexuality that females should find appealing. Dalton, for all his fine-tuned performing, did not have great sex appeal.

This is, at best, a completely new version of Bond - more ordinary than aspirational - more Bourne than Bond.
Fleming's Bond was never really aspirational, for what it's worth. Sure, he was cool as hell (as I think Craig appears to be), but he wasn't somebody we'd all aspire to be. If anything, the Fleming Bond frequently ends up as something of a tragic figure.
 
With respect, Agentsands, Mclusky's Bond did not look like that drawing. That was Mclusky's idea of what Bond should look like. Fleming approved a different version. This is Mclusky's actual Daily Express James Bond. Click the link to see Mclusky's final version of Bond:

http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/comics/lald.php3'

Here are more examples:

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Doesn't look anything like Daniel Craig. :eek:

And neither does Horak's James Bond:

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Of course you can't expect any actor to look the same as a drawing but it's fair to say Craig looks nothing like the Bond of the newspaper strips. Indeed, if you purchase Titan Book's Casino Royale graphic novel, you'll notice how much Mclusky's Bond looked like Sean Connery. It was about an 80% approximation and the Daily Express Casino Royale strip was printed several years before Connery was cast in Dr No.
 
By the way, the photo of Craig you mention has been altered. Craig hair is not black or brown in Casino Royale, yet that altered image shows him with dark hair. :huh: (rolling my eyes)

Your opinion holds little weight when the picture you're using to compare him to James Bond has been altered. :down
 
super_fan said:
With respect, Agentsands, Mclusky's Bond did not look like that drawing. That was Mclusky's idea of what Bond should look like. Fleming approved a different version. This is Mclusky's actual Daily Express James Bond. Click the link to see Mclusky's final version of Bond:

http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/comics/lald.php3'

Here are more examples:

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Doesn't look anything like Daniel Craig. :eek:

And neither does Horak's James Bond:

horak4.jpg


Of course you can't expect any actor to look the same as a drawing but it's fair to say Craig looks nothing like the Bond of the newspaper strips. Indeed, if you purchase Titan Book's Casino Royale graphic novel, you'll notice how much Mclusky's Bond looked like Sean Connery. It was about an 80% approximation and the Daily Express Casino Royale strip was printed several years before Connery was cast in Dr No.
Looks like Craig to me :p .
 
Anyone else think Mclusky's final version of Bond has a striking resemblence to Billy Zane (especially his Kit Walker look in the phantom)?
 
James"007"Bond said:
Fools.

CR is looking good for various reasons. Good actors, good director and most importantly a good script. We've seen pics and some footage, I dont see any room for failure. I'm glad Craig is being hated on because he's seriously going to b1tch slap a lot of people with his performance and either way, the nay-sayers will be paiying to see the movie regardless.

Craig IS Bond, people need and have to accept it because its FACT.
you don't see any room for failure?
i realy do hope you are correct.But a statement like that can come back to ***** slap you in the face:cwink:

i for one hope he does prove me wrong,i have said that from day one and will gladly say how wrong i was,that is why i will wait to see it before i judge him.
But to have a negative impression of him is just as valid as to have a possitive one before we see him in action.

btw i have said it before and will say it agagin i am more exited by this bond film than any for years for the simple fact i have no idea what i will get.Will my cautions be realised or will i get the best bond ever...time will tell.
 
super_fan said:
With respect, Agentsands, Mclusky's Bond did not look like that drawing.
Hence it being McLusky's Bond, first and foremost. Also, it's said that that single drawing, whether Fleming gave it his O.K. or not, was allegedly partially responsible for Connery's casting.

Furthermore, that picture is the one I've always held to be my mental image of James Bond.

That was Mclusky's idea of what Bond should look like. Fleming approved a different version. This is Mclusky's actual Daily Express James Bond. Click the link to see Mclusky's final version of Bond:
I've collected the McLusky comics, I do know what he looks like. It varies from panel to panel - some panels he looks like Craig, others he doesn't.

That's not representative of the majority of McLusky's work, which I've collected. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's mislabled. It looks like Yaroslav Horak to me (it's an entirely different drawing style to McLusky), and furthermore I can't place that panel with any of McLusky's strips. This is more representative of the regular version of McLusky's Bond:

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Or even this (forgive the Japanese haircut - the face is pretty representative, though):
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Of course you can't expect any actor to look the same as a drawing but it's fair to say Craig looks nothing like the Bond of the newspaper strips.
I disagree. I get a strong Craig vibe from the McLusky strips, OHMSS/YOLT in particular.
 
Back in the 60's, Fleming's ideal choice for Bond was supposedly David Niven who he partly based/modeled the character on. He wasn't keen on Sean Connery playing the role until after he saw Dr. No.

Most of the complaints I've seen lately directed at Craig are downright childish. The anti-Craig website is indicative of this.
 
Agentsands77 said:
Hence it being McLusky's Bond, first and foremost. Also, it's said that that single drawing, whether Fleming gave it his O.K. or not, was allegedly partially responsible for Connery's casting.

Furthermore, that picture is the one I've always held to be my mental image of James Bond.


I've collected the McLusky comics, I do know what he looks like. It varies from panel to panel - some panels he looks like Craig, others he doesn't.


That's not representative of the majority of McLusky's work, which I've collected. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's mislabled. It looks like Yaroslav Horak to me (it's an entirely different drawing style to McLusky), and furthermore I can't place that panel with any of McLusky's strips. This is more representative of the regular version of McLusky's Bond:

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Or even this (forgive the Japanese haircut - the face is pretty representative, though):
comic_titan_yolt2.jpg



I disagree. I get a strong Craig vibe from the McLusky strips, OHMSS/YOLT in particular.

On the last two images Bond definitely looks like Craig, and in the last one, he even looks like Craig on the pictures the anti-Craig people are so eager to show to try to illustrate that craig is not Bond.
 
As for me, I will admit that in some pics his face really looks a bit ugly, but he also looks like real agent 007.

He isn't next pretty boy without any abrasion. No, he looks like real guy, who can kick you to death.
 
I think Craig is hideous looking (in a Bond context). I find him a horrific, ghastly choice. Sorry to be harsh or unkind but I fear Casino Royale will be spectacular flop. I think Bond died on October 14th 2005 when Craig was announced.

TIme will tell...
 
Agentsands77 said:

Oh my god. Look at the bottom right, all those bonus Bond covers :eek: So buying this magazine!

Side Note: Craig looks bad ass in that pic
 
super_fan said:
If Casino Royale takes half of Die Another Day's gross - say around $250 million - there's no financial reason to keep Craig. Sony Pictures is not a charity, it's in the business to make profit.

I can't see Craig making a second if CR flops or does poorly. Of course it could be a hit but I don't think Craig will have broad appeal.
If Casino Royale makes $250million that'll make it a huge hit - the budget for the thing is only around $40million. That's more than 500% profit. Sounds like a sound business investment to me.

Do the maths before you make stupid statements.
 
Iphus04 said:
If Casino Royale makes $250million that'll make it a huge hit - the budget for the thing is only around $40million. That's more than 500% profit. Sounds like a sound business investment to me.
The budget is actually around $72 million according to two different sources (Empire magazine and The Sun).
 
Agentsands77 said:
The budget is actually around $72 million according to two different sources (Empire magazine and The Sun).
My bad - but the point still stands, if Casino Royale makes $250million then that's almost a 400% profit. Not bad, hmm?
 
Iphus04 said:
My bad - but the point still stands, if Casino Royale makes $250million then that's almost a 400% profit. Not bad, hmm?
indeed.if it can make HALF of D,A,D then it will be a success.but you know in the eyes of the public/industry it will be a failure because it is only HALF of what D,A,D done AND way below any of brosnans.
 
Look what happened to Tom Cruise when M:I:3 made $350-$400 Million at the BO. Short of Jesus showing up half way through, Craig will have a tough time coming out on top.

TLD grossed more than the last two Roger Moore films, however, it's common place to hear that Dalton was a failure all the way through.
 
$72 million is about half of what Die Another Day costs.
 
Furious Styles said:
Look what happened to Tom Cruise when M:I:3 made $350-$400 Million at the BO. Short of Jesus showing up half way through, Craig will have a tough time coming out on top.

TLD grossed more than the last two Roger Moore films, however, it's common place to hear that Dalton was a failure all the way through.

Your sig's misquoted, bud-o. It's APPLES.
 

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