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We have you at a disadvantage, dear readers, for we've seen Spider-Man 3 and nearly all of you have not. The purpose of this feature is not to spoil that movie for you but to suggest, based on what we know happens in it, where the franchise could head in a possible fourth installment. Director Sam Raimi left plenty of "Easter eggs" for fans throughout Spidey 3, but we'll analyze those hints after you've all had a chance to see the movie, which opens May 4th.

We have suggestions for who could succeed star Tobey Maguire and director Raimi if both men choose not to return for a fourth pic. We'll also suggest who Peter Parker's new love interest could be if Mary Jane Watson is not brought back (or, if Raimi and Maguire don't return, Kirsten Dunst opts out as well). Obviously, the sequel's villains will be discussed as well.

So let's start with the director's chair ...

A NEW WEBMASTER:

Screw Ant-Man. Let British filmmaker Edgar Wright (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz) direct Spider-Man instead. He has the same frenetic style as Sam Raimi and, like Raimi, he's a movie buff and fanboy fave adept at infusing comedy into genre material. He's also young and inexpensive (compared to Raimi) so think of all the films Sony could get out of him at a bargain price? Wright seems like the right man for the job to us.

Another possibility could be J.J. Abrams, the powerhouse behind Lost and Alias. But with his TV projects, as well as the next Star Trek movie and The Dark Tower, Abrams may simply be too preoccupied to take on another fanboy-friendly mega-project.

Robert Rodriguez is no stranger to comic book adaptations (Sin City) and audience-friendly franchise fare (Spy Kids) but his not being a DGA member would likely preclude him from any serious consideration by the studio.

YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD REPLACEMENT:

Jake Gyllenhaal has often been mentioned as a potential replacement for Tobey "Oh, my back!" Maguire, and he even reportedly screen-tested for the role back for the first Spidey film. Gyllenhaal would be a very different kind of Peter Parker than Maguire, cutting a more confident and physically imposing figure. He'd be more like the 1970s and '80s Peter, who was a university student and newsroom professional by then.

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Shia LaBeouf in Transformers.

Gyllenhaal could capture that more mature but still vulnerable side of Peter, someone who has grown up in the years since the first trilogy. His weak point may be the humor the role requires, which leads us to our next pick: Justin Long. Yes, Long may be that smug "Mac guy," but his performances in Accepted and Galaxy Quest have shown that he can play the cool nerd, which is what Peter Parker really is when you get down to it.

While it's too bad that Emile Hirsch is playing Speed Racer, there's always man of the moment Shia LaBeouf, currently topping the box office with Disturbia. His forthcoming turns in Transformers and Indiana Jones IV are two pretty big votes of studio confidence in his ability to help carry a big franchise movie. Like Maguire, LaBeouf is a respected actor and has an amiable everyman screen presence.

WHO ELSE WANTS TO GET KISSED IN THE RAIN?

It's time for Peter to let Mary Jane Watson go. Mary Jane and Peter's relationship is one spawned by young love but, as people age, those passions that seemed like they'd never die, well, peter out (no pun intended). Let's say for the sake of conversation that MJ survives Spider-Man 3. As she has done many times in the comics, Mary Jane and Peter could take a nice, long break while she goes off modeling in Europe or California. Seeing as how MJ's career isn't exactly sky-rocketing in Manhattan, a change of scenery could do her good. It doesn't mean that she's permanently written out of the series; it just gives Spidey a chance to ensnare another pretty young thang in his web. So what other love interests from the comics could be in the next movie?

Gwen Stacy: If she survives Spidey 3 then she is the most obvious candidate. The powers-that-be can't very well introduce Spidey's other most famous love interest and then not do anything with her ... can they? Next time out Gwen could be something more interesting than the other woman. She also has a policeman dad, Captain Stacy, who could be slain by the film's villain. Of course, the question is whether the filmmakers will kill off Gwen since her death is the most famous thing about her. Unfortunately, Gwen's fatal fall from the bridge was already poached for the first movie so they'd have to come up with another manner of doing it. If Bryce Dallas Howard doesn't reprise her role as Gwen then how about Katherine Heigl from Grey's Anatomy?

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Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen Stacy in Spider-Man 3.

Black Cat: Although using this character invites inevitable (and possibly derogatory) comparisons to Batman and Catwoman, it might be nice to take a break from the middle-aged mad scientist villain next time in favor of Felicia Hardy, a.k.a. the Black Cat. Sexpot du jour Scarlett Johansson could work, although there are other contenders (such as Jessica Biel) who might be just as good in the role. The filmmakers could have some fun with Black Cat's bad luck powers rubbing off on Spidey during fights.
 
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WHO ELSE WANTS TO GET KISSED IN THE RAIN?, continued:

Betty Brant: Poor Elizabeth Banks. She's played J. Jonah Jameson's secretary Betty Brant in all three Spidey films and has been given nothing to do. As her work in The 40 Year-Old Virgin, Invincible and Slither has shown, Banks has too much charisma and wit to be relegated to desk duty at The Daily Bugle. In the comics, Betty comes from a hardscrabble background and has a brother in prison, as well as a criminal ex-lover. Such low-level ne'er-do-wells could serve as a means to introduce a larger (super)villain into the story. It would be nice if, after three movies of chasing the girl of his dreams, Peter appears to find true happiness with someone who had been right in front of him all along. But if there's one thing about being Spider-Man that Peter should know by now, it's that his alter ego often seems to end up hurting the ones he loves.

In the comics, Betty's brother is killed and she blames Spidey for his death, not aware that Spidey and her boyfriend Peter are one in the same. Having gone through all this "you killed my loved one" stuff with Harry Osborn in the first three films, Peter would realize that he can't share his secret identity with Betty and would have to let her go. This means Spidey could have a new love interest for the fifth film, or perhaps Betty finally meets Ned Leeds and we can get the Hobgoblin as a future villain. Of the three possible post-Mary Jane love interests listed here, Betty has the most potential to fit organically into the franchise's established universe and to link the film's romantic subplot with the villains' storyline.

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Elizabeth Banks (L) as Betty Brant in Spider-Man 3.

BRING ON THE BAD GUYS!

Following in the wake of Green Goblin and Doc Ock, employing yet another "mad scientist in a horrible accident" villain may be played out by this point but it is nevertheless high time for Dylan Baker's Dr. Curt Conners to finally become his scaly alter ego, The Lizard. Of all the classic Spidey villains, The Lizard is among the most visually dynamic and sympathetic characters left. Who doesn't want to see a humanoid lizard in a torn labcoat wreaking havoc on the streets of New York?! Stop teasing us and just do it already!

Spider-Man 3 has raised the stakes in the supervillain department with not one but three heavies targeting the wallcrawler. Going back to one villain for the fourth installment might strike some filmgoers as a step back. What if The Lizard is on the loose and Spidey can't seem to stop him (or is perhaps conflicted about it since it's his old mentor) so enter Kraven the Hunter, who declares to the public that he will do what Spidey can't and catch the mad beast? Of course, Kraven's true motives won't be that noble. (And we still want to see Bruce Campbell as Kraven, whether Sam Raimi directs or not!)

Kraven's bonafides could be established by having him catch such animal-villains as Rhino, Puma, Scorpion and Vulture. (If Black Cat were Spidey's love interest then she could also be on Kraven's wanted list.) Perhaps Kraven -- whose strength could stem from being genetically enhanced rather than from hokey mystical potions -- is actually serving at the behest of another, more shadowy villain. (It might be interesting if all those animal-villains stemmed from some sort of Dr. Moreau-like villain -- perhaps Conners himself? -- and Kraven is the one sent to bring back all those escaped "experiments.")

Could that behind-the-scenes villain be a resurrected Norman Osborn (that Goblin serum does have its beneficial side effects)? Perhaps Norman has been in Europe for the last few years running the criminal cabal known as the Scriers. Or maybe it's someone who is after the Osborn fortune and arsenal. After all, if both Norman and Harry are out of the picture then what happens to all their goodies? Maybe Ned Leeds, a.k.a. Hobgoblin, gets ahold of them. (There's that Betty Brant angle again.) Or how about the Chameleon? He could even mimic Norman, Doc Ock and other blasts from Peter's past just to screw with his head. The Kingpin would be another obvious choice but if Fox still owns the screen rights to the character post-Daredevil then it seems unlikely that he could appear in a Sony film.

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Yes, we know what you're thinking: why not just bring back Venom or Sandman? There are ways they could but we'll get into that in a future column slated to debut after Spidey 3 opens. It's just too spoilerish to explore now. They could also conceivably introduce Carnage for Spidey 4, but there's a reason why Marvel went to such great lengths to kill him off: he's just not that interesting beyond the eye candy factor.

Speaking of colorful but lesser characters, we'd love to see a fun Ghostbusters-style montage in the next film of Spidey taking down a series of second-tier supervillains, such as Electro, Jack O'Lantern, Shocker, Killer Shrike or Stilt-Man. The whole sequence would merely be a valentine to fanboys who long to see these villains on the silver screen but know they're not quite enough to merit an entire film to themselves. (Say, if Mary Jane is out of the picture then is it too late to bring back her ex-fiancee Man-Wolf?)

THE STORY:

Even if the next Spider-Man film doesn't utilize the same cast or director as its predecessors, it should at least be a logical extension of the themes explored in the first three movies. Peter would have to learn that life's not all about just getting the girl and the job and then you're set. That things sometimes get worse before they get better but, in the end, new dreams and plans can emerge from those struggles. Peter is an Everyman; his journey is a lifelong one so let's see his character continue to grow and mature.

We suggest that the next film employ The Lizard and Kraven as its key villains, with perhaps another character as a behind-the-scenes baddie who could set-up the next sequel (a la the shadowy terror-funding network in Casino Royale). After Conners finally becomes The Lizard, Spidey fails to catch him so enter Kraven the Hunter. Kraven succeeds but perhaps The Lizard is just a pawn in a larger plan. Maybe Spidey can even team-up with Conners/Lizard in the end in order to stop Kraven and his puppet master, which would provide Conners with a redemptive way out of his horrific plight.

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If Betty Brant were to be Peter's new love interest then her criminal brother Bennett could somehow play a role in Conners' transformation or in Kraven's shenanigans. Blaming Spidey for Bennett's death could end that relationship for Peter but also set-up the next film or two by hinting at the Hobgoblin. But that's just our two cents, dear readers.

So what do you think of our suggestions? Write in and let us know. The best responses will be featured in the next edition of the IGN Movies Mailbag.
 
This shadowy figure and man behind the scenes should be Roderick Kingsley fresh off his corporate take over of Oscorp. After Lizard and Kraven, my candidates for SM4, Roderick would have taken over the Osborn Empire gotten a hold of the formulas and takes the persona of the new goblin, Hobgoblin. Electro and Mysterio would be the other villains in a plot to take out Spiderman once and for all.
 
Eventually I would love to see the Scorpion introduced in the series. With Doc ock gone, perhaps they can use the Scorpion to inadvertantly kill captain Stacy in a battle against Spiderman on the side of a building or rooftop. Gwen would witness the end of the battle and blame Spiderman for her father's death or JJJ could portray it as being Spiderman's fault.
 
Lizard and Kraven for SM4 is a given.But how about the Chameleon as well,but in the movie version you make Chameleon a female,Kraven's sister.And Betty Brant could be this female villain.

And the Chameleon could also be a hired spy stealing secret equipment from scientists for a shadowy figure.And the latex masks that she wears to disguise her deformed face is technology that she has stolen from one of these scientists.

And when Kraven first shows up,he could be just a regular man who is way over his head,he just doesn't have the strength to take on the Lizard and to keep spidey out of his way as well.

But that all changes when Betty(Chameleon) finds a formula to give a human super stregth and agility.She gives Kraven the formula,she even gives it to the shadowy figure,and she takes it herself so she can keep spidey out of her brother's way so Kraven won't be distracted so he can kill the Lizard.

When Betty(Chameleon) takes the formula she fights spidey as the Black Cat.And in the movie Chameleon finds the Goblin's lair.And the shadowy figure is Ned Leeds.(Hobgoblin for SM5)

And this would explain how the Hobgoblin gets a latex mask,since it was technology that the Chameleon stole from a scientist to hide her disfigured face.Also the Chameleon could also have a laser gun,another piece of technology that she has stolen from another scientist,and we could see the Hobgoblin use it as well.
 
My opinion
Sm4: Lizard and Kraven with the lesson being that not everything is black and white/ not everyone is good or evil but sometimes are hands are pushed(have the story being that Connors is obviously not in control of his actions when he's Lizard and Have Kraven's story be that he is a hunter who is fading out of the spotlight and he feels that not only would he be helping the people of New York by stopping the Lizard but it would be his claim to fame. and yes I understand that this moral has basically been used in previous movies but it was never the center of the movie such as revenge is like a poison). I would also bring in Kingsley but not as Hobgoblin yet just as the head of Oscorp.

Sm5: Scorpion, Black Cat, and Mysterio As seen in Sm3 Spidey is becoming a big name with the people and having ended the Lizard's rampage he's a star in their eyes so obviously the next step is for them to make a movie about him where Quentin Beck is in charge of the special effects and stunts. Outraged by the public uplifting Spidey after seeing photos of him helping the Lizard JJJ approaches Kingsley and OSCORP about creating the Scorpion(as either a hero or villain) to expose Spidey for what he realy is. In their first encounter Scorpion beats Spidey leading to the cancelation of the movie and putting Beck out of a Job. The city now somewhat embraces Scorpion until he realizes that he's been disfigured and turns on JJJ. Mysterio who has found out that JJJ was responsible for ruining everything should either join Scorpion to get revenge on JJJ or they both could fight over him with Spidey in the middle. Through out the whole movie Spidey has been bumping into a theif by the name of Back Cat fighting with her on some ocassions. Infatuated with Spidey she comes to get him back in the game after he is defeated(by Scrpion in their first fight as mentioned earlier) and winds up trying to help him save JJJ. I think the need for Humility would be a good lesson or either the sorrow that greed brings. Mysterio career being canceled makes him face humility as he looses his chance at stardom, Spidey is faced with it as he is defeated by Gargan, JJJ is faced with it when the public stops caring to hear his stories about Spidey being a villain, Scorpion is faced with it when he realizes he's disfigured, and Black Cat has to deal with in in the choice of being a hero or villain.

Sm6: Hobgoblin, Electro, and Shocker After saving JJJ and defeating Scrpion and Mysterio Spidey has won the public back over. The moral this time is that you can't save everyone. Through out the movie Shocker is robbing banks and keeping Spidey busy getting away every time(before anyone bashes Shocker just rember according to Marvel's official site Shocker has defeated Spidey several times including the first time they ever fought). While this going on MJ's acting career is booming and she's got an obsessive fan Max Dillion. When MJ does not return Max's feelings he becomes even more obsessive(a stalker). Peter finds out about this and in a miss use of his powers attacks powerless Max. Some how through a freak accident(Maybe Spidey accidently throws him into some power lines or a generator) Max is give electrical powers and becomes Electro. Electro deciding to get his revenge goes after MJ(At some point have Max see Spidey come into MJ's apartment revealing to him that Peter is Spider-man). At the same time have Shocker robbing a bank and Captain Stacy arrives on the scene. Spidey chooses to go after Electro but because of this Shocker winds up killing Captain Stacy but Spidey defeat Electro. Enraged Spidey hunts Shocker down and gets revenge. Kingsley through out the last movies has been finding the secrets of the Goblins but in 6 he finally finds what he needs to become the Hobgoblin(I think Hobgoblin would work in 6 because by now the audience will have had time to get the last goblins out of their systems and it will also in a sense allow them to end where they began). Towards the end Kingsley becomes Hobgoblin and goes crazy rampaging the city. Spidey already having experience in this with Harry and Norman tries to bring him down with out killing him but is unable to. To add to the drama and the Moral they could have Hobgoblin kill Black Cat before Spidey can get there. I know having Spidey fail to save 3 people in one movie would be rough and would probly never happen but this allows closure on the love interest. If they have Gwen find out that Peter is Spider-man sometime before this then she would be upset with him for not saving her dad. A posotive ending could be the marriage of Peter and MJ though.
 
No more goblins please. In SM4 (if it is actually made) I would like to see the Lizard/Kraven story explored with a minor side villain that Peter stops from robbing a bank once. But make Kraven beastial, animal-like. The Kraven in Ultimate Six was good. Just don't make him some hunter guy with no powers. Then after that my top villains would be Electro & Carnage, no Norman Osborn coming back from the dead. But I'd just like to comment on how sloppily Sony handled this franchise. From the beginning the casting should've been done with precision. Actors with dedication and commitment should have been cast so we wouldn't have this crap from Tobey and Kirsten. Cast actors who enjoy these roles, then after you see how much money the first one makes lock everyone up with solid deals until SM5. No arguement with director choice, even if Raimi leaves after SM3. Any other director could have made 20+ Spider-Man movies and the total enjoyment wouldn't rival what I got out of SM1 & 2. But instead we have the two leads and the perfect director most likely leaving after the third installment, leaving a few bad scenarios as the only options. 1) A reboot where we see 2 spidey origin films in one decade or 2) The possibility of "Spider-Man 4: A Michael Bay Film". Where do we go from here? Nowhere good.

Sorry for the rant..
 
My opinion
Sm4: Lizard and Kraven with the lesson being that not everything is black and white/ not everyone is good or evil but sometimes are hands are pushed(have the story being that Connors is obviously not in control of his actions when he's Lizard and Have Kraven's story be that he is a hunter who is fading out of the spotlight and he feels that not only would he be helping the people of New York by stopping the Lizard but it would be his claim to fame. and yes I understand that this moral has basically been used in previous movies but it was never the center of the movie such as revenge is like a poison). I would also bring in Kingsley but not as Hobgoblin yet just as the head of Oscorp.

Sm5: Scorpion, Black Cat, and Mysterio As seen in Sm3 Spidey is becoming a big name with the people and having ended the Lizard's rampage he's a star in their eyes so obviously the next step is for them to make a movie about him where Quentin Beck is in charge of the special effects and stunts. Outraged by the public uplifting Spidey after seeing photos of him helping the Lizard JJJ approaches Kingsley and OSCORP about creating the Scorpion(as either a hero or villain) to expose Spidey for what he realy is. In their first encounter Scorpion beats Spidey leading to the cancelation of the movie and putting Beck out of a Job. The city now somewhat embraces Scorpion until he realizes that he's been disfigured and turns on JJJ. Mysterio who has found out that JJJ was responsible for ruining everything should either join Scorpion to get revenge on JJJ or they both could fight over him with Spidey in the middle. Through out the whole movie Spidey has been bumping into a theif by the name of Back Cat fighting with her on some ocassions. Infatuated with Spidey she comes to get him back in the game after he is defeated(by Scrpion in their first fight as mentioned earlier) and winds up trying to help him save JJJ. I think the need for Humility would be a good lesson or either the sorrow that greed brings. Mysterio career being canceled makes him face humility as he looses his chance at stardom, Spidey is faced with it as he is defeated by Gargan, JJJ is faced with it when the public stops caring to hear his stories about Spidey being a villain, Scorpion is faced with it when he realizes he's disfigured, and Black Cat has to deal with in in the choice of being a hero or villain.

Sm6: Hobgoblin, Electro, and Shocker After saving JJJ and defeating Scrpion and Mysterio Spidey has won the public back over. The moral this time is that you can't save everyone. Through out the movie Shocker is robbing banks and keeping Spidey busy getting away every time(before anyone bashes Shocker just rember according to Marvel's official site Shocker has defeated Spidey several times including the first time they ever fought). While this going on MJ's acting career is booming and she's got an obsessive fan Max Dillion. When MJ does not return Max's feelings he becomes even more obsessive(a stalker). Peter finds out about this and in a miss use of his powers attacks powerless Max. Some how through a freak accident(Maybe Spidey accidently throws him into some power lines or a generator) Max is give electrical powers and becomes Electro. Electro deciding to get his revenge goes after MJ(At some point have Max see Spidey come into MJ's apartment revealing to him that Peter is Spider-man). At the same time have Shocker robbing a bank and Captain Stacy arrives on the scene. Spidey chooses to go after Electro but because of this Shocker winds up killing Captain Stacy but Spidey defeat Electro. Enraged Spidey hunts Shocker down and gets revenge. Kingsley through out the last movies has been finding the secrets of the Goblins but in 6 he finally finds what he needs to become the Hobgoblin(I think Hobgoblin would work in 6 because by now the audience will have had time to get the last goblins out of their systems and it will also in a sense allow them to end where they began). Towards the end Kingsley becomes Hobgoblin and goes crazy rampaging the city. Spidey already having experience in this with Harry and Norman tries to bring him down with out killing him but is unable to. To add to the drama and the Moral they could have Hobgoblin kill Black Cat before Spidey can get there. I know having Spidey fail to save 3 people in one movie would be rough and would probly never happen but this allows closure on the love interest. If they have Gwen find out that Peter is Spider-man sometime before this then she would be upset with him for not saving her dad. A positive ending could be the marriage of Peter and MJ though.

Not bad man... not bad at all...I would have the same main villains as you in SM4/5... but one bone to pick with you... I don't like Kingsley being the behind the scenes reoccurring villain... we already had Norman for that... I know... its the Hopgoblin... its an "A" villain... its a good fit for a finale... but I am tired of Goblins (and symbiates so forget Carnage)... someone brought Chameleon up a while ago... they can find a lot of interesting ways to work him in as a reoccuring side villain... just added him in my little script as a matter of fact... potential is there... especially with the Kraven connection. I'm still dying for Sony to snag the Kingpin rights
 
Not bad man... not bad at all...I would have the same main villains as you in SM4/5... but one bone to pick with you... I don't like Kingsley being the behind the scenes reoccurring villain... we already had Norman for that... I know... its the Hopgoblin... its an "A" villain... its a good fit for a finale... but I am tired of Goblins (and symbiates so forget Carnage)... someone brought Chameleon up a while ago... they can find a lot of interesting ways to work him in as a reoccuring side villain... just added him in my little script as a matter of fact... potential is there... especially with the Kraven connection. I'm still dying for Sony to snag the Kingpin rights
If they can find a way to snag Kingpin I could come up with an entirely different story that could make this next trilogy off the hook.
 
If they can find a way to snag Kingpin I could come up with an entirely different story that could make this next trilogy off the hook.

Let me hear it... I am in the process of finishing my version of King Pin for SM4... could use some more ideas
 
Cool article, nice read.

I disagree with some points. For instance, Shia LeBeouf? Not to knock him as an actor, but he doesn't quite look the part to me. MAYBE if they were re-starting the series....key word: maybe.
 
They're looking at Shia LeBeouf and Jake Gyllenhaal for Spider-man replacements? That's discouraging...:dry: . Hey Eddie Brock Jr.:word:
 
They're looking at Shia LeBeouf and Jake Gyllenhaal for Spider-man replacements? That's discouraging...:dry: . Hey Eddie Brock Jr.:word:
Long time, no see. I know you must be enjoying Heroes' return as much as I am.

Anyway, back to the topic of Tobey replacements. I'd REALLY have to see something to prove that Shia could look the part of Peter. And even then, like I said, it would only work if they went back to high school or even did an Ultimate rendition. He's too young-looking to play a college student.
 
Heroes is alright. They seem to be dragging out the same story line right now, but I'm still enjoying it. I'm very excited about SM3, though.:woot:

I don't think the public is ready for another Spider-man orgin story. People who don't read Ultimate Spider-man will see it as another retelling of the first film. I'd really like to see them keep the same cast and continue with the story. It's not like they couldn't keep it interesting, there've been like 40-something years of comics to use as a resource.
 
Let me hear it... I am in the process of finishing my version of King Pin for SM4... could use some more ideas
Be glad to.... right now I am also working on a rough draft idea that involves the Kingpin and how the next trilogy will be linked together for the next chapter in Parker's life and how Kingpin will factor in the next journey of lessons. I also have had separate ideas for Roderick Kingsley, the millionaire corporate raider. None of this deviates from Kraven and Lizard though for SM4.
 
Heroes is alright. They seem to be dragging out the same story line right now, but I'm still enjoying it. I'm very excited about SM3, though.:woot:

I don't think the public is ready for another Spider-man orgin story. People who don't read Ultimate Spider-man will see it as another retelling of the first film. I'd really like to see them keep the same cast and continue with the story. It's not like they couldn't keep it interesting, there've been like 40-something years of comics to use as a resource.
That's true...they should give it a break if they're going back to square one. And if they give it a break, actors will keep aging, so really there's no way to predict who could play a younger Peter Parker because all the actors who would work now will look too old by the time they make the movie.
 
The next trilogy should explore Roderick Kingsley taking over OsCorp (4), then finding out the serum (end of 4)...then after taking it, going insane and being a drunk (throughout 5)...and what'll be cool if he burns OsCorp down (end of 5), then wearing the new mantle, becoming Hobgoblin...and Spider-Man 6 should soon have another 2 vs. 2 battle...say Spider-Man and Black Cat vs. Hobgoblin...and another goblin named Demogoblin? Possibly have the latter be a robot goblin version that Kingsley makes...just a thought; don't know any villains that could have a good team-up with Hobgoblin.

Spider-Man 4: Lizard and Kraven
Spider-Man 5: Electro, Enforcers and Black Cat
Spider-Man 6: Hobgoblin and Demogoblin(?)...Black Cat as a hero in part 6.
 
WTF? Demogoblin? No offense, I always thought he was kinda cool, but I doubt someone like him would ever be in the movies
 
Well, maybe the symbiote could slither into Norman's grave. Through a strange combination of Goblin Serum and Symbiote, Norman returns from the dead. That was my idea for Spidey 3.

aCTUALLY, him being in Europe running a secre society sounds pretty good!
 
Well, maybe the symbiote could slither into Norman's grave. Through a strange combination of Goblin Serum and Symbiote, Norman returns from the dead. That was my idea for Spidey 3.

aCTUALLY, him being in Europe running a secre society sounds pretty good!
Dude, you're being sarcastic right?
 
Not bad man... not bad at all...I would have the same main villains as you in SM4/5... but one bone to pick with you... I don't like Kingsley being the behind the scenes reoccurring villain... we already had Norman for that... I know... its the Hopgoblin... its an "A" villain... its a good fit for a finale... but I am tired of Goblins (and symbiates so forget Carnage)... someone brought Chameleon up a while ago... they can find a lot of interesting ways to work him in as a reoccuring side villain... just added him in my little script as a matter of fact... potential is there... especially with the Kraven connection. I'm still dying for Sony to snag the Kingpin rights

I agree but I don't see them getting rights to King Pin although it would work good. The other problem which is that if King Pin comes in the chances that the sinister six will happen go up and I really am not a fan of turning a spidey movie into one big storyless slug fest. Don't get me wrong though I support the idea of King Pin in the Spider-man movies. Also as far as the Goblins go look at it this way in 6-10 years or so it won't be so bad if they use another Goblin who is only a Goblin for the end of the last movie ending sort of where they began. As far as Chameleon goes if Raimi put his personal touch it might would be okay but I just think most every fan idea is so cheesy I get kidney stones just reading them. Plus he's in my opinion a less glorified version of Mysterio as Mysterio can do illusions to look like other people if he wanted. Again don't me wrong because I like Chameleon in the comics.
 

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