Batman Begins About Ras, my theory

[Danielson]

K, so I hear all this "fake Ras" and whether they should do lazarus pit and this and that. Well, if the Ras Al Ghul character is supposed to be immortal, don't you think that perhaps Nolan is going a more legacy route?

I mean, Henry Ducard WAS Henry Ducard at the beginning, I don't think he became Ras until after the first Ras died. Also, if I remember right, Ducard said something about Ras being more than just a man (the whole symbol and legend stuff would tie in with that).

My thinking is that there will always be a Ras Al Ghul, but he'll be a different guy, the legacy of what he stands for, the League of Shadows and whatnot, in this universe, is immortal. Instead of going the Lazarus Pit route, which I would have hated, I think that Nolan made Ras immortal by having it being something that is passed down for years.

Really, what white man is named Ras Al Ghul anyways?


Do you guys agree or am I on pot?

 

[Riven]

No, "Ducard" was the real, the only Ra's Al Ghul from the beginning. Ken Watanabe played a decoy.

Why else the line

Bruce: "Cheap parlor tricks to hide your true identity, Ra's?"
Ducard: "Surely, a man who spends his nights swinging across the rooftops of Gotham wouldn't begrudge me dual identities?"

 

[Kaizer]

Even if you were right, I would think Ra's Has played his part in the Nolan-franchise.

 

[Danielson]

Yea, I think Ras is done.

Yea, the cheap parlor tricks line denounces what I thought, but that was what Bruce thought, then Ras said something afterwards about Ras being more than just a person. I think anyways, I've been wrong before.

 

[Buttman]

Even if you were right, I would think Ra's Has played his part in the Nolan-franchise.

Agreed. I'd rather just leave it ambigious what happened to Ra's. Maybe he is still alive, but its illrelevant as he's served his purpose in creating Batman and teaching him all about revenge/justice.

 

[Venom 1988]

then Ras said something afterwards about Ras being more than just a person. I think anyways, I've been wrong before.

No he didn't

 

[RogueDK]

I feel that if Nolan doesn't reprise the character of Ra's during his helm on the project, it would have been cool if in the prologue of BB, Gordon tells Batman on the rooftop that there were no signs of Ra's remains among the train heap. It sort of leaves his mythos intact even if the director doesn't care to go there again.

I would've liked that...

 

[TheFamilyGuy]

I would only mind a Ra's reappearing in one of Nolan's Batman films if they are going with the sucessor route and Ra's is now the identity of someone new. If Liam Neeson's Ra's shows up again, I might puke. He's a great actor, but there is no way his character could have survived, and it would be so cheesy.

 

[Two-Face]

Liam Neeson is Ra's Al Ghul. If there's Ra's in future movies it should be Neeson returning but seems unlikely.

 

[RogueDK]

Liam Neeson is Ra's Al Ghul. If there's Ra's in future movies it should be Neeson returning but seems unlikely.

Yes , I'd like to see that.

 

[antsman41]

Gordon didnt even know about all the "LOS" / Ras' stuff though

 

[BlueLightning]

Well, I was thinking about that "white man named Ra´s" and I think maybe his real name was Henri Ducard (like in the comics), but the previous Ra´s passed him the mantle. Though that maybe had happened years ago and then he used a decoy to protect himself. That is the way Ras´s Al Ghul is immortal. Just a thought, a obvious one.

 

[Tojo]

K, so I hear all this "fake Ras" and whether they should do lazarus pit and this and that. Well, if the Ras Al Ghul character is supposed to be immortal, don't you think that perhaps Nolan is going a more legacy route?

I mean, Henry Ducard WAS Henry Ducard at the beginning, I don't think he became Ras until after the first Ras died. Also, if I remember right, Ducard said something about Ras being more than just a man (the whole symbol and legend stuff would tie in with that).

My thinking is that there will always be a Ras Al Ghul, but he'll be a different guy, the legacy of what he stands for, the League of Shadows and whatnot, in this universe, is immortal. Instead of going the Lazarus Pit route, which I would have hated, I think that Nolan made Ras immortal by having it being something that is passed down for years.

Really, what white man is named Ras Al Ghul anyways?


Do you guys agree or am I on pot?

I think it's an interesting theory. Maybe the LOS is like the Illuminati, a centuries old establishment who have long term goals, and that this immortality thing doesn't actually exist, atleast in this universe, so Ra's is just one in a long line of leaders. Maybe he was even grooming Bruce to take over.

But i don't agree with people taking up a Ra's mantle so to speak. If Bruce took over he'd just be calle Bruce, not Ra's al Ghul.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Ra's returning would be great.

I think that we'd need to see Talia before that happened. But, Ra's returning would be sweet.

 

[Joker]

I would only mind a Ra's reappearing in one of Nolan's Batman films if they are going with the sucessor route and Ra's is now the identity of someone new. If Liam Neeson's Ra's shows up again, I might puke. He's a great actor, but there is no way his character could have survived, and it would be so cheesy.

Go read a comic book. Then you can post your ideas about stuff like this and not have them be incredibly ******ed. I'm sorry, but saying that there's no way he can survive and that it would be so cheesey to bring him back that you would puke, when the guys entire thing in the comics is his Lazarus Pits is just dense.

And don't bring "realism" into this either, as there's no such thing in Batman Begins.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Joker...didn't you know?

Batman Begins is a documentary.

Oh, yeah.

 

[BurningBallroom]

I don't know if Ra's would 'fit' in TDK this time.

I was kind of hoping I would see the lazarus pits included but I understand that it isn't realistic enough to be included. Maybe in later films they'll explain it.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Or maybe they don't need to explain anything.

And yeah, I don't think Ra's would fit into TDK.

But, he should for the sequel.

Ra's imortality was certainly hinted at. And whatever happens people will remember tha it's a movie they're watching.

Not a documentary.

 

[Joker]

Yeah, the serene look on his face right before the train crash seems to me like he's preparing himself to die, knowing that he'll be coming back shortly. Sort of an "oh well, might as well enjoy the ride until my followers get me."

And they don't have to explain it. Just have something like this?

Batman: How are you alive? I watched you die in that train.

Ra's: I asked you before if Ra's Al Ghul was immortal. There's more in this world than you could possibly understand.

That's all you need. He doesn't need to go into a James Bond villain soliloquey about the nature of Lazarus pits.

 

[Nathan Petrelli]

Ra's can't come back, if the Penguin is too hard to do, then bringing someone back from the dead should be impossible..

 

[Joker]

He never said Penguin was too hard to do, he just said he'd be a tough one. By that, I assume hard to make interesting, cause really, mob boss with a big nose who likes birds really isn't al that interesting. Even Burton had to make him a sewer dwelling mutant to make people interested in him.

 

[BlueLightning]

Yeah, the serene look on his face right before the train crash seems to me like he's preparing himself to die, knowing that he'll be coming back shortly. Sort of an "oh well, might as well enjoy the ride until my followers get me."

And they don't have to explain it. Just have something like this?

Batman: How are you alive? I watched you die in that train.

Ra's: I asked you before if Ra's Al Ghul was immortal. There's more in this world than you could possibly understand.

That's all you need. He doesn't need to go into a James Bond villain soliloquey about the nature of Lazarus pits.

I would like to see something like that, but the thing is Ra´s story has been told. They need to adapt more characters from the comics, not just stick with the same. Altough a little cameo doesn´t hurt anybody.

 

[Nathan Petrelli]

I just watched Batman Begins lastnight, I saw something that made me think of this thread. During the train crash, then it is plummeting off the tracks and into the ground, you kind of see a body fly out the window, it doesnt look like it jumped, it looks like it was thrown out the window, and it lands to the side of the train but stuff falls on it. Does this mean Ra's survived?

 

[ScarecrowJim]

It doesn't matter if Ra's al Ghul is alive or not. He isn't returning. Batfans want to see NEW characters in the movies, not recycled ones.

 

[Crook]

I assume you absolutely loathe TDK then.