Comics about the "Marriage Crisis"

[ben_reilly_s_s]

back during the Clone Saga in the book - 101 ways to end the Clone Saga there were many different ways to end it - and most of them had MJ not being around after the end of it.
JQ isnt the one who started the end of the marriage thing.

I think if they didnt want it done then they shouldnt have done it to begin with. I say (to JQ) get over it, get some writers who can handle it correctly, and there wont be a problem, and no reason to try and break them up.

 

[USMC]

someone close this pointless thread.

 

[Eye Doc]

back during the Clone Saga in the book - 101 ways to end the Clone Saga there were many different ways to end it - and most of them had MJ not being around after the end of it.
JQ isnt the one who started the end of the marriage thing.

I think it was Peter David who said MJ has had a "bulleye" on her back since the 1987 marriage. The anti-marriage sentiment has been around for years. In any type of serial fiction (tv, comics, etc.) most writers believe a lot of "romantic tension" is lost once the couple marries. There's a reason why couples rarely stay married or happily together on soaps. The writers feel changing love partners will keep things fresh.

I think if they didnt want it done then they shouldnt have done it to begin with. I say (to JQ) get over it, get some writers who can handle it correctly, and there wont be a problem, and no reason to try and break them up.

If you recall, MJ married Peter while Jim Shooter was EiC. He left shortly afterwards and was replaced by Tom DeFalco. I don't think DeFalco, or any other editor, would've approved it. That's the thing with really big creative decisions. They tend to affect the books and characters YEARS after the originator of the idea moves on to something else. In many cases the people who succeed them have an unfavorable opinion of the new status quo. Peter can work as married or unmarried character. However, if most of the people in control are against him being married, it's going to affect the quality of the writing. It's hard to work on or for something if your heart isn't in it.

In hindsight, the marriage was a bad idea in 1987. That was really too soon for him to marry ANYBODY. In 1994 when the clone saga started, MJ had only been around for 7yrs as Peter's wife. That would've been the ideal time to remove her. She didn't have the presence she has now. She Peter have been married nearly 20 years in real time. There's a whole generation that grown up with her being the lady in Peter's life. If or when they get rid of her, her replacement(s) may not be as well received as some people at Marvel would like to think.

 

[shinlyle]

Okay, see, here's my thinking on the matter.

Jim Shooter made an editorial decision back in 1987, and it has stuck. Alot of people feel that it is unfair that every creator since then has had this albatross around their necks. Fine. If we entertain that theory, then how are Joey Q and Co. doing anything different with the Other, the unmasking, killing characters, etc?

Everything that has been done in the past few years has put creators in a bind as well. The Unmasking limits the "Peter Parker Stories" you can tell. He is now Spider-Man 24/7...nothing that can be done about it. There will never be another cool little "Peter Parker trying to balance a double-life" story again...just like there hasn't been a "Peter goes on a date with a girl and has to leave abruptly and ruins his chances with said girl" story since he got married.

If Joe Q and team want to preach about how you shouldn't be afraid of change, then they need to quit living in fear of a change that was made 20 yeas ago and just embrace it. We've had to endure Peter eating someone's head, being killed, getting organic webshooters, and wearing the lamest costume ever, why can' they run with the marriage and quit trying to undo the only good idea done to the Spidey books in the past 20 years?!

 

[Eye Doc]

Okay, see, here's my thinking on the matter.

Jim Shooter made an editorial decision back in 1987, and it has stuck. Alot of people feel that it is unfair that every creator since then has had this albatross around their necks. Fine. If we entertain that theory, then how are Joey Q and Co. doing anything different with the Other, the unmasking, killing characters, etc?

Everything that has been done in the past few years has put creators in a bind as well. The Unmasking limits the "Peter Parker Stories" you can tell. He is now Spider-Man 24/7...nothing that can be done about it. There will never be another cool little "Peter Parker trying to balance a double-life" story again...just like there hasn't been a "Peter goes on a date with a girl and has to leave abruptly and ruins his chances with said girl" story since he got married.

If Joe Q and team want to preach about how you shouldn't be afraid of change, then they need to quit living in fear of a change that was made 20 yeas ago and just embrace it. We've had to endure Peter eating someone's head, being killed, getting organic webshooters, and wearing the lamest costume ever, why can' they run with the marriage and quit trying to undo the only good idea done to the Spidey books in the past 20 years?!

I agree with pretty much everything you said. From a storytelling view point, I still think it was a bad idea to marry Peter when they did. There were a lot more stories to tell with him being single and getting to the point where he could settle down. That said, I've never thought MJ being his wife was a 1,000 pound anchor around the characters neck either. The character has such a solid foundation that he can work either way. The handling of the marriage has been the major problem.

You're right on about the past 20 years or so. Stories about robot parents, clones, long ded villians returning to life, retcons of established events, the other, Sins Past, and the unmaking have done more harm to the essence of the character than giving him a wife. If you took MJ out of EVERY STORY of the past decade, they'd still be bad.

But, we're not saying anything Joe Quesada doesn't already know. I don't know if all the things above were planned. But, I do believe he's allowed the character Peter to almost reach the point where he's no longer credible. I "think" he's going to use this "One More Day" angle to wipe away a lot of the things readers and writers have griped about for the past several years and "relaunch" the character. It's going to have a mystical element. Why else would Doctor Strange play a prominent role? Remember, when this story was first announced he said it would end with the character being much more closer the character Stan Lee created. A lot of things would have to be jettisoned to make that happen. Then he'll proudly boast "I fixed Spider-Man".

 

[Blaktin America]

Who the hell thinks MJ broke it? I actually like the fact that he's married to a model. I do not spend every second of my life wishing for misfortune on Peter. I think he's entitled to some successes and MJ is at the top of the list.