Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 8

[roflwell]

This could be a big spoiler, but just think about it for a minute.

Spoiler

If I'm right, isn't Ronan the Accuser blue in GotG? If he is, then that alien in the cryo tank was blue was well, that means it's a Kree right? We know they've visited earth before now

Again don't jump on me if I've got this wrong, I'm a huge MCU fan but I've never read the comics. I've researched characters when rumours appear but that's all i can say in my relation to the comics.

 

[Vartha]

lol My daughter and I were Geeking out the entire show! lol I don't care what anyone says, this Show kicks arse!!!

 

[Eddie]

I hope we get a Agents of Shield episode/arc based on The Amazing Spider-Man 2 during the week of May 9, 2014.

I'm pretty sure AoS is set after ASM2.

Spoiler

Coulson was injected with Electro's green body fluid as per T.A.H.I.T.I.

Spoiler

Just kidding. It was Dr. Manhattan.

 

[roflwell]

heads up, Roger Wardell is spouting some **** again about Coulson being Mahr-Vehl

 

[Vartha]

heads up, Roger Wardell is spouting some **** again about Coulson being Mahr-Vehl

I still doubt it. It could mean Skye becomes Ms Marvel too lol

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Roger Wardell is spouting some ****

In other news, the wheel is round.

 

[BatsDC]

While I tend to disagree with every single thing Wardell says...

Coulson as Mar-Vell is the one thing I kinda do expect to happen. Or at least, would really like to happen.

 

[cph9fa]

I don't understand the Coulson-is-Mar-Vell theory at all (and I've been reading through much of the original Captain Marvel issues recently, so I'm pretty familiar with the character). Could someone explain it to me in a coherent fashion? I tried reading the Wardell tweets, but they're all over the place. Coulson is a shapeshifter, which somehow ties into Dr. Strange??? LOL WUT?

But especially before last night's episode (with its probable Kree corpse) what indication was their for people to even make this connection? (Is it an Ultimate thing, maybe? I don't know anything about that side of things.)

 

[BatsDC]

I don't understand the Coulson-is-Mar-Vell theory at all (and I've been reading through much of the original Captain Marvel issues recently, so I'm pretty familiar with the character). Could someone explain it to me in a coherent fashion? I tried reading the Wardell tweets, but they're all over the place. Coulson is a shapeshifter, which somehow ties into Dr. Strange??? LOL WUT?

But especially before last night's episode (with its probable Kree corpse) what indication was their for people to even make this connection? (Is it an Ultimate thing, maybe? I don't know anything about that side of things.)

I have no idea where the concept came from, (originated around 2011 I believe) but I doubt anyone thinks what Wardell is saying will come true.

I think it mainly comes from a desire to have more Marvel characters within the show - and c'mon, how badass would it be if Coulson was actually a super awesome Kree superhero?

Also opens up the door for Carol somewhere down the line.

 

[Gr0oT]

I hope we get a Agents of Shield episode/arc based on The Amazing Spider-Man 2 during the week of May 9, 2014.

Come on now isn't this stuff clear to people yet?
Marvel Studios needs to do a better job branding...

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Great episode, really amped up now that this show is running on all cylinders and we are going to get more MCU stuff!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I just hope marvel owns the kree. Gotg toys list ronans army soldiers as "sakaarians" so unless ronan is a kree in exile leading another race's army.... Sakaarians might be blue/red/and yellow skinned

 

[BatsDC]

They confirmed that Ronan is Kree, so I expect they own the entire race too.

 

[Shikamaru]

I believe the Kree are grey territory, much like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

 

[Crimson King]

I just hope marvel owns the kree. Gotg toys list ronans army soldiers as "sakaarians" so unless ronan is a kree in exile leading another race's army.... Sakaarians might be blue/red/and yellow skinned

Gunn said Ronan is Kree. They used Sakaarians in the movie because Marvel doesn't have rights to the Badoon.

 

[JC00]

Come on now isn't this stuff clear to people yet?
Marvel Studios needs to do a better job branding...

They could spend millions of dollars trying to and it wouldn't change a thing. Some people just don't know the movie rights situation and don't care to learn about it.

 

[JC00]

Marvel can use Kree and Skrulls.

They just can't use Super Skrull

 

[brisa25]

So inhumans need a mist for their powers? Are they substituting the gh325 for the mists?

 

[cherokeesam]

I don't understand the Coulson-is-Mar-Vell theory at all (and I've been reading through much of the original Captain Marvel issues recently, so I'm pretty familiar with the character). Could someone explain it to me in a coherent fashion? I tried reading the Wardell tweets, but they're all over the place. Coulson is a shapeshifter, which somehow ties into Dr. Strange??? LOL WUT?

But especially before last night's episode (with its probable Kree corpse) what indication was their for people to even make this connection? (Is it an Ultimate thing, maybe? I don't know anything about that side of things.)

The Mar-Vell theory has been around for a long time (and no, that's not one of my theories, for the record), and plenty of people offered up that conjecture before Wardell ever got hold of it. So it's been a pretty popular fan theory for many moons now.

That being said, I'm still not ready to buy into it, or any Skye-as-Carol spinoffs. I think the bottom line on Captain Marvel (both Mar-Vell *and* Carol) is that the character(s) are too essential and too big to be "slumming" on TV. For one thing, it would mean a huge rewrite for both characters, as the Coulson-Skye story doesn't even faintly resemble the Mar-Vell/Carol Danvers story, beyond the increasingly obvious "omg aliens" connection. For another, I just think that Carol, especially, is pretty much a given for at least the third Avengers installment, and I don't think they'll use television as the route to get her there. I loves me some Chloe Bennet, but I can't for the life of me see her trying to play Ms. Marvel alongside RDJ, the Chrises, Ruffahulk, Widow and whoever else is still kicking it on the big screen in 2018 (or whenever).

 

[wobbly]

So inhumans need a mist for their powers? Are they substituting the gh325 for the mists?

Maybe in Skye's case: Assuming she is an Inhuman the GH-325 serum might at least partly activate her powers, whatever they might be (no there'd be no cosmetic mutation, which can happen a lot with the usual Inhumans). Coulson has no powers since he was never Inhuman to begin with.

All other samples from the Alien (likely Kree) corpse would be gone now though, so any future powered up Inhumans would presumably originate from exposure to the 'Terrigen Mists'.

 

[cherokeesam]

Maybe in Skye's case: Assuming she is an Inhuman the GH-325 serum might at least partly activate her powers, whatever they might be (no there'd be no cosmetic mutation, which can happen a lot with the usual Inhumans). Coulson has no powers since he was never Inhuman to begin with.

All other samples from the Alien (likely Kree) corpse would be gone now though, so any future powered up Inhumans would presumably originate from exposure to the 'Terrigen Mists'.

Can we say for sure that the other "GH" serums contained at the lab were blown up in the explosion, though? Writers could always revisit the ruins in a later episode: "Hey guys, look! Some of the vials weren't broken in the explosion. We've still got alien go-juice....yay!"

And I agree with your theories about the serum activating in Skye because she *is* alien (Kree), and didn't in Coulson because he is (or was) human. It still begs the question, though: why did Fury "move heaven and earth" to save Coulson's life with this admittedly untested alien transfusion? There *had* to be something that made Coulson more than just a really, really good SHIELD agent for Fury to go to all that trouble.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

agree completely cherokeesam. something must make Coulson very special to Fury and to SHIELD. My feeling is that Fury has a past relationship with the Clairvoyant (a former agent? an asset?) and this person told him that Coulson must survive at all costs in order to prevent some big catastrophe. And Fury believes him/her because theyve been right in the past. Or some such.

If they dont fully answer the "why" of Coulsons resurrection - not just the "how" - that will be a big problem going forward. I assume they will, probably in the finale.

 

[wobbly]

Can we say for sure that the other "GH" serums contained at the lab were blown up in the explosion, though? Writers could always revisit the ruins in a later episode: "Hey guys, look! Some of the vials weren't broken in the explosion. We've still got alien go-juice....yay!"

And I agree with your theories about the serum activating in Skye because she *is* alien (Kree), and didn't in Coulson because he is (or was) human. It still begs the question, though: why did Fury "move heaven and earth" to save Coulson's life with this admittedly untested alien transfusion? There *had* to be something that made Coulson more than just a really, really good SHIELD agent for Fury to go to all that trouble.

Hopefully the upcoming tie-in/s ('Uprising'?) with the Winter Soldier will elaborate on all that. Fury better have a better reason for putting Phil though all that than just using his corpse as an experiment to see if it could be done.

 

[brisa25]

Well maybe if it is confirmed she is inhuman that might be a mission if she doesn't get better?

I wonder if the clairvoyant will want to get ahold of Skye now to test her?

Anyone else not trust agent tripplet I mean really hitting Simmons who is trying to save a friend and when they used the drug he was asking what did you use on her. I don't trust him.

 

[Crimson King]

ABC’s Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. returned to a series low 1.7 rating in the 18-49 demo, scoring 5.11 million viewers. That’s down 23% from the 2.2 rating from its most recent episode, marking another sharp drop in viewership.

Yikes.