Alan Scott...doomed future?

They would if he appeared in the book.

Tyler has a completely different modus than the other Hourmen though. He'd fit in rather well in Booster Gold for instance.
 
Rename him the Clockwork Man or something. Who cares? I just want him back.

And yen's absolutely correct, Tyler would be perfect for Booster Gold. It'd be nice if we could get some Waverider and Linear Men love, too. They were supposed to be doing the job Rip's saddled Booster with, after all. In shared universes mentions really ought to be made of this sort of thing, and it's sad because Johns used to get that.
 
Aren't Waverider and the Linear Men dead or something? Thought they got offed in Zero Hour. Didn't like them anyway, so that helps.

Tyler appearing would rock though.
 
After Zero Hour there was a new Waverider and Linear Men but they were apparently offed in 52. However, being the nature of what Booster did to Mr. Mind it remains to be seen if they were actually killed. Again I presume Johns will get to that in Booster Gold.
 
Well, I'm not quite depressed yet...more ticked than anything else. When Alan was taken seriously, he could do these things:

capable of:
illusion casting
magical bodies
time travel
dimensional portals
mystic sight
phasing (through solid objects)
image casting
(possible) light speed
magical disruption (shields)

now reduced to:

cyclops, the one eye
boxing gloves
fire extinguishers
eagles
being a fussy, cranky mentor

and other such silly, trite exhibitions of power.

also now known for

being called possibly the most powerful hero, but gets taken out by toothpicks and sneak attacks that wouldn't fool an amateur c-lister.

plot devices

and bad writing.

Or he is simply talked about and not shown.

Part of the problem is the writers want to have it both ways....they've pigeonholed him back into being a 'standard' green lantern but there's so many of them its hard to make him that different. AND of course, with the return of Hal and diversity of Kyle now being used (which is why he was returned to old status) there just ain't no space for the dude...they need to make up their freaking minds. As time goes on newer readers will relate to this 'old style' lantern less and less. I fail to understand why they can't intergrate modern elements while retaining his roots. It's just plain dumb...you don't cling to past stuff because you can't think of anything else!

And he didn't need Jade to see ghosts, he could do that anyway in FATE...see through illusions. More proof that writers and teams are all over the place and not doing ANY RESEARCH.

Alan even sent his soul across dimensions! (Hal later found him).

Cripes, what a waste of ability.
 
Regarding Alan Scott:

It wasn't that long ago that Dr. Midnight basically said that Alan Scott is simply an embodiment of Starheart energy. Meaning that any physical form he has is created by his own ego. Kinda like how you look in the Matrix, anywho - with the "loss" of his eye, I've just regarded this of his ego's outward expression of the loss of Jade, and she tried to fill the hole her death left with that little bit of her own essence or power. My thoughts anyway...

Just with Alan he looks how his subconscious chooses him to look, age and everything. If he truly feels that he is in his late 50's than he will look like it. I would be happy seeing him around his 40s like the old Alex Ross painting with the white background.
 
Bollocks to that, I say. I find the idea that a man would choose to be physically older and frailer than he needs to be ridiculous. They should just give him a heart attack and have him de-age himself a decade or two as a reaction to it.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
Bollocks to that, I say. I find the idea that a man would choose to be physically older and frailer than he needs to be ridiculous. They should just give him a heart attack and have him de-age himself a decade or two as a reaction to it.
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It goes deeper than just him "choosing" its all about how "life" is treating him. Its like people in their 30s who look like they are in their 50s because of stress and what not. It's just with Alan Scott its more dramatic and can change easier. If something wonderful would happen to Alan that took tons of stress away from him the artists would probably start drawing him younger again like when he was going by Sentinel.
 
It hasn't changed, though. He went from looking like he's in his 30s to looking like he's in his 50s during the "Princes of Darkness" arc in JSA and he's looked like he's in his 50s ever since, even though he's reconciled with his son and been pretty happy between those two periods outside of Jade's death. He also consciously chose to express his power through a GL ring again at that same point, so clearly it is a matter of him choosing how his powers work and what he looks like. It may be subconscious, but it's all him.
 
Ala
TheCorpulent1 said:
It hasn't changed, though. He went from looking like he's in his 30s to looking like he's in his 50s during the "Princes of Darkness" arc in JSA and he's looked like he's in his 50s ever since, even though he's reconciled with his son and been pretty happy between those two periods outside of Jade's death. He also consciously chose to express his power through a GL ring again at that same point, so clearly it is a matter of him choosing how his powers work and what he looks like. It may be subconscious, but it's all him.
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Alan was always my favorite Lantern because he had the version of the GL powers that I have always wanted. Emerald FIRE and the power is in him, not because of a ring that can be taken away but he IS the power. I have had dreams where I am just standing there with all this green fire just pouring from my hands, man the visuals get me pumped. Anywho - it seems like more and more they are getting away from when Alan was like that (I love that picture where him and kyle are standing in a field and his hands have fire and green smoke coming off of them.) and making him more like a normal Green Lantern. It just makes me a little sad.

The first thing they need to do is have him give up the Ring again, and just embrace the fact that he isn't human anymore.
 
Just kill off his stupid wife. I think that was his main motivator for re-aging himself--it's weird to have a 30-something man with a 70-something wife.
 
The original reason Alan was made young after Zero Hour is because Kyle was going to be bumped off, and Hal wasn't really on the scene...so he was to be the 'replacement' that would be tweaked for a new generation.

Then, different editorial teams kept changing their minds.

He was old/young/old/young/old/young.

The plot of him having his power 'ripped out' and he was a helpless old carcass was recycled three times over.

When Kyle was revamped (due to fan interest) Alan was once again made 'old'. The wood weakness inexplicably returned.

The excuse being made that he didn't want to make Molly feel uncomfortable. This was retroactively written in to support the change that made him old. Molly made a deal with Neron to be young in the meantime. Later she told Alan she didn't mind, it made her look better to be hooked up with a younger man.

Also Alan pretended to be his 'son' at this juncture.

He was vamped 'backwards' again to appease a very vocal and promiment fan base that wants to keep him perpetually locked into the past. Never mind that he can't appeal to a broader base this way and that it restricts story lines.

Another revamp, inexplicably. For years Alan was OBSESSED about his age and growing old and useless, as he put it. Suddenly now for no real reason he's fine looking old. And people wonder why more fans could care less about the character? The writers sure don't.

We'll get more stories of the PAST. We'll get one shots that tag onto other characters. What we don't get anymore is progression.

Whatever...
 
Bah, you're depressing me again. :(

Let's focus on the good. One of my favorite Alan stories--and, unfortunately, I haven't read that many outside of JSA and Checkmate despite my love for the character--was part of Kyle's "hero quest" in GL. Kyle went around to various heroes and tried to figure out what he was lacking and how to be a better hero. Alan's lesson to him involved his wife being held captive and Alan basically using Kyle to get to her, showing that even heroes can resort to underhanded means if it's for the greater good. Alan came off as such a complete badass in that story, and it featured the strong moralistic idea of protecting your loved ones at any cost, as a guy from Alan's era would logically embrace. :up:

Actually, since Alan's willing to get his hands dirty but not as willing to kill or accept casualties, he'd make a perfect addition to Batman's new Outsiders. I wonder why no one ever thought of him. :(
 
I have that issue. It was probably the last time Alan's real personality was captured accurately. He was always determined and ruthless.

But I can hope the powers that be wake up. I also got the TPB of Checkmate. Not bad, kind of messed up Alan got kicked from the team.
 
Political *****ebaggery. I liked the arc, but I kind of expected Alan to come back at the time. Now it looks like Rucka really did just pull a bait-and-switch on us.
 
:woot: Yeah, it was played like 'another new direction' for Alan which once again went poof! Now we have another rumor out hinting at major things for him during this GL war having to do with the lantern mythos. Let's just say I'm not jumping at the bait. I'm wondering if this ultimate Crisis is going to be like another Zero Hour.

If so, THAT could be interesting. :woot:
 
I just hope we get a break from the events and more of a focus on building the universe back up after Final Crisis.

Where'd you hear about a rumor that major things are in store for Alan with the GL war? Are you talking about the Sinestro Corps crossover currently going on?
 
Yup, some babble over at the Bloc Forums about the starheart issue "being addressed" in the Sinestro War storyline. What this means I have no idea.

Alan's "Zero Hour" look was badass. (Altho I'd substitute silver for the red)

We know that the Starheart has a complex history. I always wondered if Alan (as an embodiment of said starheart) would have issues with the guardians since technically they imprisoned his other 'self' waaay back in the day.

His relationship with the guardians has been nonexistant. Maybe an influence of his essence, and his personality. He says he's a lone agent.

Did you know that

Torquemada was responsible for Alan recognizing he had the power without a ring after Zero Hour?

The early incarnation of the Starheart was a horsefaced weirdo with bug wings? Later it looked like a humanoid green man.

TORQUEMADA HAS A CONTAINMENT OF STARHEART WITH HIM THAT HE CAPTURED INTO ANOTHER ORB. No continuity or followup has been done on this! He was only able to capture a portion of the starheart (the rest escaped into the universe)

Alan was stabbed with magic...the starheart told him he'd won his death.

Another 'Harlequin' tempted Alan to leave Molly after he became young the first time. She had reality altering powers. Alan speculated later she was a manifestation of the Starheart trying to corrupt him. This harlequin said she loved Alan since she was a little girl. But who or what she really was remains a mystery.

The starheart has a dark and light side. The light side separated itself long ago into the chunk that made Alan's lantern. However, later the starheart entity said it influenced the 'young' Alan by making him grim in thought and deed. He had a much sharper edge at this time and was very dangerous.

Alan had dark 'nodules' in his green flame, which was not 'green' like a normal lantern, more bluish. An artistic decision implying the dark aspect of the starheart as well.

Recently Alan's 'flame aura' is reappearing around his body.

You have to wonder why Alan simply doesn't make Molly young with his power. Again, no logic at all in making him old. He rejoined Molly's soul with her body during Kyle's Hero quest.

AN EXCELLENT GREEN LANTERN SITE TO GO TO:

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/forum/index.php

There's a thread questioning Alan's involvement in the Sinestro war. Like I said I'm not getting geeked about it until they throw us a bone. I'm tired of all this crapola hype that amounts to nothing. Remember Hal's return? People were geeking about Alan's involvment in that. DUH.

refer to
GLQ Quarterly #7 for alan's relationship to the starheart
and
Green Lantern "Heroes Quest"
where he shows more mystic ability

I've had this weird feeling that ION is possibly the 'light' side of the starheart...if you remember Jenny's aura was more stable and green like a lantern. It was never chaotic like Alan's flame aura, which varies from being yellowish to bluish.

Hmmm...
 
JSA: Virtue & Vice is also pretty good for Alan pimping, so long as you can overlook the fact that Mr. Terrific beats Alan with a cloud of wood particles at one point.
 
That was an excellent story, even if Alan looked like a grocery bag.
 
Well, he was already old at the time. At least Pacheco threw in the Kingdom Come armor for us. That's one KC costume I really wouldn't mind seeing the New Earth version adopt. :up:
 
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