Alien vs. Predator 2 Scheduled for 2007

[BEER]

Oh the pain... the pain...

 

[patrickbateman]

barney v/s fred flintstone

http://www.wimp.com/flintstones/

 

[PWN3R]

If I could figure out why this is getting a sequel, I would know the secrets of the universe....

 

[BEER]

If I could figure out why this is getting a sequel, I would know the secrets of the universe....

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Danger Mouse]

3-I think you are mistaking The Aliens with The Thing.

The Aliens are naturally bipedal.

Nobody really knows what the natural posture of the Aliens were. In the first two movies, the xenomorphs had human hosts, so they'd appear bipedal.

To that end, I have to agree with Bishop2 on this.

The xenomorphs in the first two movies had bodies that are human-looking. They had a wide chest. The ribs were clearly visible. They also walked on two feet. This similarity to humans is due to exchanging of DNA between host and the alien embryo. This means that the alien will much easier adapt to its prey by having some of the prey's DNA. In Alien and Aliens the hosts were humans. Then the aliens were fairly human-like.

In Alien 3, the host was a dog. The xenomorph then was walking on four and is in general more dog-like.

On the flip-side, in Alien Resurrection, Ripley had much alien DNA in her, giving her xenomorph qualities.

Here you go. Look it up: http://www.answers.com/topic/xenomorph

 

[Bat Attack]

"Get away from her, you *****!"

 

[Danger Mouse]

Well George Lucas likes Jar Jar so I guess that means creators sometimes can't relate to the fans. I still say a true fan of the original trilogy shouldn't like Jar Jar and a true fan of Predator shouldn't like AvP.

Well, of course Lucas' was gonna said that. He created that abomination.

But for someone who had no involvement whatsoever in AvP, like I said, quite a testimonial.

Unlike Lucas to JJB, Cameron owed no allegiance to Anderson's AvP. Heck, he didn't even create the franchise. If it was Scott who commented, I'm more inclined to agree with you and say "Of course he's gonna say he liked it. He created the damn franchise." But here is a prominent director, who neither created the franchise nor had any involvement in AvP, gave the movie quite the commendation.

But hey, to each his own. However, to assume to be the authority on what constitutes a true fan, YOUR credibility, kind sir, is therefore questionable.

 

[Bishop2]

Okay guys, story time.

I administrate a message board focusing on horror flicks and toy collecting. We have some "VIP" visitors there, including Jerry Macaluso, the president of SOTA Toys. Jerry obviously has dealt with a number of movie studios in making deals for toy licenses. He's also a low-budget filmmaker - his directorial debut will be premiering as a "Sci-Fi Original" this Fall.

So he's made some interesting friends in the film industry, and he's learned some interesting things. When he made his movie, he told all of us about the wringer that movies that premiere on Sci-Fi have to go through. Basically, anything that Lions Gate finances with a small budget is forced to go through the "Sci-Fi Original" mandates in order to help recoup the production costs, and the mandates from Sci-Fi are pretty ludicrous.

So what does this have to do with AVP2?

He knew about this direction for AVP2 before the script review hit the web. And he also had a little bit of insight into WHY they're doing this.

FOX doesnt want to spend a lot of money on this as they feel the two franchises are "past their prime" in the public's eyes. Why use this setting? Because they can make the movie for far less than the $60m that the first AVP cost. See AVP only made $80m at the box office in the US. Sounds good in theory, but the thing is that FOX spent $95m on marketing costs. So as far as they're concerned, theatrically AVP was a loss... of course, they made their money back on DVD and foreign grosses. But not enough to warrant spending a lot on an AVP2. They want a lower budget this time, to help ensure a faster profit.

Of course none of that justifies how bad this concept is to us... the fans. But thats why they are going in this direction.

Interesting...

 

[BEER]

I wish those jerks would just ..you know... NOT make the damn thing if they're not willing to pay for it.

 

[~†~§iX~†~]

Unlike Lucas to JJB, Cameron owed no allegiance to Anderson's AvP. Heck, he didn't even create the franchise. If it was Scott who commented, I'm more inclined to agree with you and say "Of course he's gonna say he liked it. He created the damn franchise." But here is a prominent director, who neither created the franchise nor had any involvement in AvP, gave the movie quite the commendation.

I'm not saying Cameron really liked it or just being polite. He may not have created the franchise, but he was the one who actually bought the facts to the xenomorph race. Scott had a mysterious egg, the face hugger attack and an alien creature hiding in the shadows stalking. It was Cameron's film that brought in the concepts of pack hunting, close up detailed appearances and an Alien Queen. AVP's aliens are more reminiscent of Cameron's movie than Scott's!......

 

[skorponok]

Okay guys, story time.

I administrate a message board focusing on horror flicks and toy collecting. We have some "VIP" visitors there, including Jerry Macaluso, the president of SOTA Toys. Jerry obviously has dealt with a number of movie studios in making deals for toy licenses. He's also a low-budget filmmaker - his directorial debut will be premiering as a "Sci-Fi Original" this Fall.

So he's made some interesting friends in the film industry, and he's learned some interesting things. When he made his movie, he told all of us about the wringer that movies that premiere on Sci-Fi have to go through. Basically, anything that Lions Gate finances with a small budget is forced to go through the "Sci-Fi Original" mandates in order to help recoup the production costs, and the mandates from Sci-Fi are pretty ludicrous.

So what does this have to do with AVP2?

He knew about this direction for AVP2 before the script review hit the web. And he also had a little bit of insight into WHY they're doing this.



Interesting...

INTERESTING, yes...but also rather expected...

 

[Bishop2]

Fox made them pull down the review. Cease-and-desist order and all that crap.

Too bad. Did anyone save a copy?

 

[Bishop2]

CHUD is now reporting that, just as Fox said in their cease-and-desist, not all of the information in the review was accurate.

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=6519

Somehow, given that we're talking about AICN, the least-reliable news site in the world with the biggest personal agenda, I'm not surprised.

More than anything else, I hope they lose the teen brother. No teenage drama in Alien/Predator films ever, please.

 

[NOFX]

"Whoever makes it, we lose"

 

[TheVileOne]

If they see Alien and Predator as past their primes and the first one actually LOST money, why are they even making a sequel in the first place?

The sequel sounds like its going to be even worse than direct to video quality.

 

[Bishop2]

If they see Alien and Predator as past their primes and the first one actually LOST money, why are they even making a sequel in the first place?

It didn't LOSE money - it made money once it got through with foreign grosses, so DVD was like pure profit.

 

[Nathan]

If we can't have Marines and Space, I hope at least this Movie will be rated R. Otherwise I don't think I'll bother to watch it.

 

[jimmylace]

Hopefully If no-one goes to see it, fox will stop making alien versus predator movies. ha! I never thought I'd ever be saying that I didn't want an alien versus predator movie....they really ****ed it up didn't they?...it's likely paul anderson was the most enthusiastic director that wanted to do it as well......I doubt any good directors would take it seriously anyway.
It's such a shame because theres some good moments in that movie- I liked the pryamid thing and the story...if only they had better actors and set the pyramid on another planet or something.....

the terror and claustrophobia of alien+the doomed atmosphere of predator 1 and alien 3 and the action of aliens? was that asking too much?

meh

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

You watched the features? The greenlight dude said he had heard 45 pitches of different stories and said Pauls was the best.

AvP is great fun but is absolutley shadowed and blackened by Alien and Aliens and Predator.

 

[Bishop2]

the terror and claustrophobia of alien+the doomed atmosphere of predator 1 and alien 3 and the action of aliens? was that asking too much?

YES.

Seriously, we're damn lucky that movies like Alien, Aliens and Predator were as good as they are. Expecting sequels to live up to movies that are considered classics in the genre is like... well, it's like expecting someone to make a "Casablanca 2" that's every bit as good as the original. The odds are not in the favor of that happening, because when you're dealing with a damn-near-perfect classic, how near-impossible is it to reach that same level again?

Instead, I just hope for a good story and a good movie. I actually think AVP went above and beyond that, and was pretty damn great, but that's me. In truth, AVP really impressed me because of how good it was - it was the first truly "expansive" movie in the franchise since Aliens, in that it really broadened the mythology and opened up a whole new world of possibilities.

I also think people undersell how good Predator 2 was, but that's another story for another day.

 

[jimmylace]

You watched the features? The greenlight dude said he had heard 45 pitches of different stories and said Pauls was the best.

AvP is great fun but is absolutley shadowed and blackened by Alien and Aliens and Predator.

yeah I did, and I can see why fox went for it. On paper, andersons story looked great *I mean a reconfiguring pyramid? Imagine what someone like fincher could have done with that...terrifying!* but I never felt like an alien would look good against an icy background. just never clicked...a jungle at night I could buy...but still.

and yes the movie did expand on the universe and I like to think of it more as a predator 3 than anything else but what REALLY let it down was piss-poor cringeworthy acting and dialogue. I never bought any of them being terrified-and what was with the multi-national thing??? absolutely awful.

Imagine what that film couldve been like with some real bad asses,lawrence fishburne etc etc. It also felt like a missed opportunity to not have a MALE action hero in these movies. no ripley? lets make it a big **** off guy.

I don't hate the movie, but it's hard ot love it-theres too many big flaws. anderson had a good concept and the right idea...but **** characters,**** acting and stupidly colourful costumes ruined the whole thing.
I mean, how can a movie where youre trapped in the middle of nowhere in a freezing cold climate-in a black pyramid that reconfigures into the tightest of spaces-surrounded by flesh-eating/killer monsters that either want to rip out your spinal column or rape and suffocate you then crush your head in for fun....*phew* manage no to be remotely terrifying??? now that's talent.

Not a single character lost it or was at the end of their rope or remotely scared. take the way cruise acts towards the end and start of wotw....say what you want bout that movie but thats the kind of acting style that avp needed. It was never sold to me enough to invest in it. *which is why I laugh when ppl say forget the humans and just have aliens and predators only...phu-lease!





producer john davis is a dick though,I mean look what he did with garfield!

 

[jimmylace]

YES.

Seriously, we're damn lucky that movies like Alien, Aliens and Predator were as good as they are. Expecting sequels to live up to movies that are considered classics in the genre is like... well, it's like expecting someone to make a "Casablanca 2" that's every bit as good as the original. The odds are not in the favor of that happening, because when you're dealing with a damn-near-perfect classic, how near-impossible is it to reach that same level again?

Instead, I just hope for a good story and a good movie. I actually think AVP went above and beyond that, and was pretty damn great, but that's me. In truth, AVP really impressed me because of how good it was - it was the first truly "expansive" movie in the franchise since Aliens, in that it really broadened the mythology and opened up a whole new world of possibilities.

I also think people undersell how good Predator 2 was, but that's another story for another day.

But...it really wasn't. Predator was a sleeper hit with the kind of muscle-bound machoism that couldve only worked in the 80's. It was a brutal and visceral movie about survival. and people can connect with that...it was a great movie, and yeah predator could never be made as good as that again as machoism is really out of fashion at the mo. but the monster was the most interesting thing about that movie,and whilst you dont want to show TOO much, you could still insert that monster into pretty much any action situation and it would work. *hostages in P2 a cop movie etc* all it needs is a good writer/director.

and whilst alien,aliens (and hell I loved alien 3 directors cut-I love the whole "were really really seriously ****ed this time feel of it. It was such a gothic and brave movie. I would never have wanted to see camerons no 3-wouldnt have minded vincent wards there.)

ha!SEE? vincent wards wooden monk planet! why not have avp2 set there-monks believing they have angered god or something...

sorry where was I? and whilst the alien movies are untouchable-again the monster is terrifying,what the thing is capable of....melting you,biting your head off or ****ing your throat with a giant member!!! all it needs is respectful treatment from a director and writer. (jeunet never respected the source material-I mean look at the lighting?! WTF?! he just saw it as another hollywood movie-fox's bravery backfired on them there)

A scary as **** monster can always work...but that sense of being threatened by something needs to be there. you CAN have that in a PG-13, because fear is about the threat and not the splat....two very different things.

but alas, fox cranks out crap and wonders why the franchise is on its last legs...so we get.....a supermarket in texas. thats critters/tremors territory not avp. think how much effort went into not having them get to earth-because that would be the end of the world-the most effective killing machine right? A futuristic blade-runner earth of pollution,corrupt figures and decay I could buy, but present day?

I hope they never make this. I for one will never watch this crap!

 

[jimmylace]

heheh I had a lot to say....sorry bout that....back to work for moi

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Hopefully they've improved the formula this time around.Yes I'm being optimistic

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

WOO!s