Alien vs. Predator 2 Scheduled for 2007

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Why have Cameron's movies stood the test of time? Simple. They came out first. People have fuzzy memories of them. If The Terminator came out today, it would be despised for how shallow and undeveloped the characters are, among other things.

You seem to be a smart poster, but this is the most ridiculous comment i have ever heard on the hype and i hear a lot. I know a lot of people who can act out The Terminator fully scene by scene word by word because they have watched it that much and i am one of those people. I have watched T1 over 100 times and it is still in my top 5 movies of all times.

No character development? So Sarah going from a screaming, scared, whiney, crying teenage girl to someone who later, when told to run from the Terminator say "no" isnt character development. Reese suddenly turning from a human being with little to no emotion to somone who openly confessing to loving the woman he is protecting isnt character development? Give me a break.

Sorry if i come accross as an ass, i dont mean too, but i just had to respond to that comment.

 

[Bishop2]

No character development? So Sarah going from a screaming, scared, whiney, crying teenage girl to someone who later, when told to run from the Terminator say "no" isnt character development. Reese suddenly turning from a human being with little to no emotion to somone who openly confessing to loving the woman he is protecting isnt character development? Give me a break.

You know, here's what bugs me about T1 and especially Kyle - I feel like he just flip-flops between one scene and the next. He's a total hardass with no emotion, and then he bangs a chick and suddenly he's all giggly like a schoolboy. No, I don't feel like he has character development - I feel like the character just changes completely without any justification. Not to mention how it's kinda hard to have sympathy for a guy who falls in love with a picture. Seriously, what a doof.

You know, there's a deleted scene on the DVD that really would've helped with the transition for me. It's the one where he has the breakdown in the woods, the whole "I wasn't meant to see this" scene. That would've added so much to his character for me, personally. But it's not in the movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You know, here's what bugs me about T1 and especially Kyle - I feel like he just flip-flops between one scene and the next. He's a total hardass with no emotion, and then he bangs a chick and suddenly he's all giggly like a schoolboy. No, I don't feel like he has character development - I feel like the character just changes completely without any justification. Not to mention how it's kinda hard to have sympathy for a guy who falls in love with a picture. Seriously, what a doof.

Maybe it was the fact that he had never loved or even been with a woman before? He clearly states in the movie that he is a virgin, and that all throughout his life he has seen nothing but war and desolate wasteland, the only escape he had from that life was the picture of Sarah, THATS the main reason why he suddenly feels emotion and why he falls in love with a picture. Also the fact that Sarah looked sad in the picture also.

You know, there's a deleted scene on the DVD that really would've helped with the transition for me. It's the one where he has the breakdown in the woods, the whole "I wasn't meant to see this" scene. That would've added so much to his character for me, personally. But it's not in the movie.

I've seen the scene in question on the DVD, and while it is a good scene i felt Cameron was right in deleting it. For one it wasnt acted out in a good way, particularly by Biehn (who i loved in the movie), but also because it was just too random, and it was at a stage in the movie were he had scene a lot of era already, so to suddenly just notice it would have made him seem stupid IMO.

 

[Bishop2]

Maybe it was the fact that he had never loved or even been with a woman before? He clearly states in the movie that he is a virgin, and that all throughout his life he has seen nothing but war and desolate wasteland, the only escape he had from that life was the picture of Sarah, THATS the main reason why he suddenly feels emotion and why he falls in love with a picture. Also the fact that Sarah looked sad in the picture also.

We do see that there are obviously couples and women in the future; he's just closed himself off from that in favor of obsessing over a picture. Weird and creepy.

I've seen the scene in question on the DVD, and while it is a good scene i felt Cameron was right in deleting it. For one it wasnt acted out in a good way, particularly by Biehn (who i loved in the movie), but also because it was just too random, and it was at a stage in the movie were he had scene a lot of era already, so to suddenly just notice it would have made him seem stupid IMO.

I thought it was Biehn's strongest performance moment in the entire film, even though it's not actually in the film. And I thought it made a lot of sense that when he got to the past, he was on-task, on the job, refusing to focus on the world around him... and it took a while for it to break through his shell.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

We do see that there are obviously couples and women in the future; he's just closed himself off from that in favor of obsessing over a picture. Weird and creepy.

We didnt see that in the first movie, the only families we saw were the ones who werent soldiers. And its not that he closed off, its just that the war is constant, the only time they get to rest is daytime, but even then they have to watch what they do and be on alert, especially with the infiltrators now in the war (The T-800's), able to get into human strongholds.

I thought it was Biehn's strongest performance moment in the entire film, even though it's not actually in the film. And I thought it made a lot of sense that when he got to the past, he was on-task, on the job, refusing to focus on the world around him... and it took a while for it to break through his shell.

It wasnt a terrible acting moment, but the part were he says "Its so damn hard Sarah!" whilst crying was delivered poorly IMO. Also, it seemed like an unlikely moment for him to 'wake up' so to speak considering he was practically in a war zone a few hours before in the police station.

And just out of curiosity, how many times have you watched the movie and when was the last time?

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

And Fox continues their mass rapings of franchises and to-be franchises, with Chief Rapist Tom Rothman witholding the vaseline.

So that Anderson hack is coming back? The rape just wouldn't be complete without his involvement.

Oh, the reason people hate him is because he makes crappy movies. Pure and simple. Its the same reason you hate the drive-thru people at McDonalds when they mess up your order.

 

[Bishop2]

And just out of curiosity, how many times have you watched the movie and when was the last time?

Hmmm... probably four or five times. Last time was probably two years ago, though. Obviously, it's not one of my favorites... unlike T2, which I adore.

So that Anderson hack is coming back?

He's not involved in any way.

 

[xwolverine2]

does anyone here like avp2?

or am i wasting my time talking to haters?

 

[Bishop2]

does anyone here like avp2?

or am i wasting my time talking to haters?

I'm very excited to see a new film with aliens and predators. But so far, I can't say I like the base concept for this movie much at all. Aliens should NOT be running around modern day America. Still, every Alien and Predator movie to date has at least SOMETHING in its favor, so it's probably gonna be worth seeing.

 

[xwolverine2]

its too early to judge.....

but i know for a fact people will hate it simply because its the cool thing to do

 

[Bishop2]

its too early to judge.....

but i know for a fact people will hate it simply because its the cool thing to do

I agree with you on the latter, totally. But I don't necessarily agree on the former... I mean, the entire Alien series is about containment. If the aliens get back to Earth, we're told repeatedly that we're screwed. That's why Ripley will do anything, even up to and including killing herself, to stop them from spreading to our homeworld. In AVP, that theme is continued by the whole "they musn't reach the surface!" thing. They have to stop the aliens because as Lex says, if they don't then "everything everywhere could die!"

Now in AVP2, they reach the earth and they reach civilization. And since it's a prequel to the Alien films, we know they don't overrun the planet and kill everyone. Now Ripley looks like an idiotic alarmist who killed herself out of stupidity.

 

[xwolverine2]

Ripley looks like an idiotic alarmist who killed herself out of stupidity.

lol!!.....

what if the aliens reach a civilization FAR from existence....... like one of those desert towns......and lets say they DO manage to kill and enpregnate evryone there..... the aliens still loose because they have nowhere to go for food, and the aliens have really short life spans...so its not impossible that no one still knows about them...

maybe

 

[Nathan]

How do you know how much food they need or how long they live? Sure they grow fast to their full form, but that doesn't mean that they have a short life span.

 

[xwolverine2]

How do you know how much food they need or how long they live? Sure they grow fast to their full form, but that doesn't mean that they have a short life span.

yes they do...... i heard it in one of the BTS for alien3, its also why there skin is all bruised up.

as for food........i dont know. but they would eventually run out and their babys wont have any.

im just saying...... who knows?

 

[Edward Brock]

its too early to judge.....

but i know for a fact people will hate it simply because its the cool thing to do

I'd say its more because the last one wasn't so er, great...

 

[xwolverine2]

I'd say its more because the last one wasn't so er, great...

the general audience loved it......

i loved aliens1 and 2/predator1 and i loved avp

 

[Edward Brock]

the general audience loved it......

You know, in a world were Deuce Bigalow and Big Momma's House get sequels, that's not a very good argument...

i loved aliens1 and 2/predator1 and i loved avp

Well, I love the Alien and Predator series too (with all the flaws people might point out, even A:R and P2 had redeeming factors), in fact I'm such a sucker for those movies I might just catch this one, but weren't you pissed at how this movie took any tension and intelligence those movies might've had and just threw them on the garbage? I admit, the fight scenes were nice but Andesron's love for paper thin characters and general lack of vision outweight them.

I think I'd rather watch this one instead:
Illegal Aliens vs. Predator

 

[Bishop2]

yes they do...... i heard it in one of the BTS for alien3, its also why there skin is all bruised up.

I think you're thinking of the first Alien's BTS stuff, because that's where they mentioned that the alien moves slower and looks darker-skinned because of internal bruising aboard the shuttle because it's supposed to be dying.

However, that's kinda shot down by Aliens. First off, the eggs survive for 57 years without ever being touched. Then the aliens invade and take over Hadley's Hope and proceed to survive just fine for eight freaking weeks until the marines show up, at which point they still don't seem very lazy.

the general audience loved it......

i loved aliens1 and 2/predator1 and i loved avp

You know, I really have no idea why people didn't embrace AVP. When I saw Alien 3, I knew people were gonna hate it. When I saw Alien Resurrection, I knew people were gonna be mixed on it and probably like some of it and hate some of it. When I saw AVP, though... I walked out stunned. It was an expansive vision of the sequel, something which opened up a whole new world of opportunities for the series in the way that we hadn't seen since Aliens. I went to a midnight preview screening and walked out saying "Holy ****! People are gonna LOVE this!"

But instead they hate it. And the complaints I hear never make any sense. Thin characters? Not really, unless you consider the characters in every single movie in the franchise thin. Bad action? Kind of the opposite, especially compared to most of the franchise. I mean, there's nothing else I could've hoped for, except maybe a bigger budget with more monsters, but that was never on the table.

James Cameron was totally right when he called it one of the best in the series.

 

[Edward Brock]

I think you're thinking of the first Alien's BTS stuff, because that's where they mentioned that the alien moves slower and looks darker-skinned because of internal bruising aboard the shuttle because it's supposed to be dying.

However, that's kinda shot down by Aliens. First off, the eggs survive for 57 years without ever being touched. Then the aliens invade and take over Hadley's Hope and proceed to survive just fine for eight freaking weeks until the marines show up, at which point they still don't seem very lazy.



You know, I really have no idea why people didn't embrace AVP. When I saw Alien 3, I knew people were gonna hate it. When I saw Alien Resurrection, I knew people were gonna be mixed on it and probably like some of it and hate some of it. When I saw AVP, though... I walked out stunned. It was an expansive vision of the sequel, something which opened up a whole new world of opportunities for the series in the way that we hadn't seen since Aliens. I went to a midnight preview screening and walked out saying "Holy ****! People are gonna LOVE this!"

But instead they hate it. And the complaints I hear never make any sense. Thin characters? Not really, unless you consider the characters in every single movie in the franchise thin. Bad action? Kind of the opposite, especially compared to most of the franchise. I mean, there's nothing else I could've hoped for, except maybe a bigger budget with more monsters, but that was never on the table.

James Cameron was totally right when he called it one of the best in the series.

Yeah, he liked it so much, he cancelled his plans for Alien5. This movie didn't even bother to keep the universe's "rules". Preds in the Antartic? 5 mins. shake & bake aliens?

 

[Bishop2]

Yeah, he liked it so much, he cancelled his plans for Alien5. This movie didn't even bother to keep the universe's "rules". Preds in the Antartic? 5 mins. shake & bake aliens?

He cancelled his plans for Alien 5 well before he even saw the movie. He said he was against the idea from the start, but when he saw it he was surprised and impressed.

Predators in the cold was an idea introduced in the comics and novels. They claimed that although Predators very much PREFERRED hot environments, they were capable of hunting in the cold thanks to the mesh on their battle suits, which could offer heat. But that doesn't make for a terribly pleasurable hunt. The comics/books are also where Anderson got the idea of "blooding," the yautja marking themselves with the blood of their kills.

Alien incubation period? I admit it's accelerated, but the thing is, it's a different timespan in every single freakin' movie! There IS NO continuity of how long an alien takes to develop! In Alien, Kane is in medlab for maybe a few hours, since it's not like the crew even catches any sleep in that film. That poor sap who's been down in the hive in Aliens has been there for at least weeks, yet isn't even hatching until the marines got there. Ripley develops a queen in Alien 3 over the course of a few days. Then you get the people in Alien Resurrection, who burst open mostly at the same time, apparently hatching and developing some time overnight during the Betty crew's first evening there... except for Purvis, who for some reason lasts until the end of the movie? Buh? Wha? The fact of the matter is, nobody ever established any continuity for how long it takes. It usually takes longer than it does in AVP, but man, I'll give them some leeway considering how all over the damned map this is.

 

[xwolverine2]

I think you're thinking of the first Alien's BTS stuff, because that's where they mentioned that the alien moves slower and looks darker-skinned because of internal bruising aboard the shuttle because it's supposed to be dying.

However, that's kinda shot down by Aliens. First off, the eggs survive for 57 years without ever being touched. Then the aliens invade and take over Hadley's Hope and proceed to survive just fine for eight freaking weeks until the marines show up, at which point they still don't seem very lazy.



You know, I really have no idea why people didn't embrace AVP. When I saw Alien 3, I knew people were gonna hate it. When I saw Alien Resurrection, I knew people were gonna be mixed on it and probably like some of it and hate some of it. When I saw AVP, though... I walked out stunned. It was an expansive vision of the sequel, something which opened up a whole new world of opportunities for the series in the way that we hadn't seen since Aliens. I went to a midnight preview screening and walked out saying "Holy ****! People are gonna LOVE this!"

But instead they hate it. And the complaints I hear never make any sense. Thin characters? Not really, unless you consider the characters in every single movie in the franchise thin. Bad action? Kind of the opposite, especially compared to most of the franchise. I mean, there's nothing else I could've hoped for, except maybe a bigger budget with more monsters, but that was never on the table.

James Cameron was totally right when he called it one of the best in the series.

i saw it on fx's dvd on tv.....during alien3
and im just saying hat THEY said .......they said they had short life spans...maybe not the eggs....but the actual aliens.

James Cameron was totally right when he called it one of the best in the series.

thats not saying much considering alien3 and a:r sucked......they were ok, but they just didntbeat alien2.

and predator2 was just ****ing ridiculous.............danny golver!?......danny glover!!!????

something which opened up a whole new world of opportunities for the series

exactly........after the last pred. and alien movies.........i knew they were dead.
now im actually interested in more.

they realised you cant keep doing the same scares/**** over and over again...so they made avp (which wasnt scary....but def. opened the doors, and dd it with action and new ideas)

 

[Bishop2]

i
and predator2 was just ****ing ridiculous.............danny golver!?......danny glover!!!????

Hey man, Predator 2 is cool. I realize that Danny Glover isn't exactly an imposing enemy for the Predator on the same level that Ahnuld was, but c'mon. It was a good story with some good action in there, and it brought the Predator into a new environment while showing us lots more about them.

 

[xwolverine2]

Hey man, Predator 2 is cool. I realize that Danny Glover isn't exactly an imposing enemy for the Predator on the same level that Ahnuld was, but c'mon. It was a good story with some good action in there, and it brought the Predator into a new environment while showing us lots more about them.

the only good thing was the idea that hes hunting in a city this time.......

but it was poorly executed.

 

[Edward Brock]

He cancelled his plans for Alien 5 well before he even saw the movie. He said he was against the idea from the start, but when he saw it he was surprised and impressed.

That reason alone should have been enough not to make this movie. And he's always quite generous when reviewing other people's work anyway.

Predators in the cold was an idea introduced in the comics and novels. They claimed that although Predators very much PREFERRED hot environments, they were capable of hunting in the cold thanks to the mesh on their battle suits, which could offer heat. But that doesn't make for a terribly pleasurable hunt. The comics/books are also where Anderson got the idea of "blooding," the yautja marking themselves with the blood of their kills.

As you said it youself, those elements, temperature, Preds being reffered as yautja, are all from the comics, so Andreron is again just bending the rules at his own pleasure. In the incubation issue, he just takes them to a ridiculous degree. No only that, he has the ball to try and ballantly connect to fans by having Lance Henrikson in the movie, playing a character whose simple presence tempers with the other movies' plots.

As for what you said earlier about characters, I'm not speaking about freakin' Michael Corleone here, I'm talking about likeable or charismatic characters with which you can connect on an emotional level. Those in AvP were pure cannon fodder. I'm not even gonna go into the acting department.

 

[Bishop2]

That reason alone should have been enough not to make this movie. And he's always quite generous when reviewing other people's work anyway.

He wasn't generous about Alien 3, that's for sure. I dunno, I always found him fairly outspoken on the topic of other films.