BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 199

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[X Knight]

I liked everything about the movie except the death of Pa Kent. From that moment on it tainted the entire film because to me it got the character of Clark wrong. He would have never sacrificed his father to possibly save himself. I don't care what his father wanted him to do. Clark could have told him no and got the dog himself and made it out in time. Or somehow miraculously survived. It happens. They should have killed off Pa with a heart attack like in the books, something Clark couldn't save him from and left it at that. I think they chose to do it different ,just for the sake of doing it different and totally missed the mark.

I agree.

 

[jokesonm3]

One more thread to go!!!

 

[Four-Face]

Okay... since we're on a "isolated criticism is OK" kick, I'm gonna share the one part I can't get over.

The truck scene. I don't care if he wasn't Superman yet. It was a petty and childish thing to do and DESTROYS the nobility in turning the other cheek in the first place. What's so noble about walking away from a fight if you just destroy the guy's livelihood as soon as you're out the door? How do we know the truck was even insured?

"Superman's not perfect." Not, but he's not a sociopathic ********, either.

 

[TeeKay]

Well he had to release the anger on something. Thought it was a funny yet relatable scene imo.

 

[Four-Face]

Well he had to release the anger on something. Thought it was a funny yet relatable scene imo.

He had to released the anger on something... so he chose someone's workplace and extremely expensive private property... seems legit.

 

[roach]

Okay... since we're on a "isolated criticism is OK" kick, I'm gonna share the one part I can't get over.

The truck scene. I don't care if he wasn't Superman yet. It was a petty and childish thing to do and DESTROYS the nobility in turning the other cheek in the first place. What's so noble about walking away from a fight if you just destroy the guy's livelihood as soon as you're out the door? How do we know the truck was even insured?

It reminded me of the scene in Superman II when Clark comes back and just demolishes the trucker that beat him up earlier.

However contrary to popular belief Superman is not Jesus. While he strives to be this impossible level we should try to live up to...he's still 'human' and has human emotions.

 

[TeeKay]

Well the guy he's been treated like **** his whole life and can't fight back because of what he's capable of. He lost his cool. Happens to everyone once in a while. We all reach a breaking a point.Was it over the top that he destroyed the truck? Yes but at that point I understood why he did it.

 

[jokesonm3]

Okay... since we're on a "isolated criticism is OK" kick, I'm gonna share the one part I can't get over.

The truck scene. I don't care if he wasn't Superman yet. It was a petty and childish thing to do and DESTROYS the nobility in turning the other cheek in the first place. What's so noble about walking away from a fight if you just destroy the guy's livelihood as soon as you're out the door? How do we know the truck was even insured?

"Superman's not perfect." Not, but he's not a sociopathic ********, either.

That scene was hilarious.

A little humor now and then wont do the film some harm.

 

[dhandler01]

It reminded me of the scene in Superman II when Clark comes back and just demolishes the trucker that beat him up earlier.

However contrary to popular belief Superman is not Jesus. While he strives to be this impossible level we should try to live up to...he's still 'human' and has human emotions.

Yeah when people ripped that scene in MOS talking about how Supes never acts that way they got real silent when I brought up Superman II

 

[dhandler01]

He had to released the anger on something... so he chose someone's workplace and extremely expensive private property... seems legit.

Would you prefer he broke the dude's hand and threw him into a pinball machine? Hard to drive a truck that way...just saying.

 

[souperman]

He had to released the anger on something... so he chose someone's workplace and extremely expensive private property... seems legit.

...were there other things he could have done...sure... but the scene was funny. I f the guy wasn't insured, that's his fault.

He got what was coming to him... although a neat option might have been an homage to Superman 2 diner fight scene where the guy punches Clark and breaks his hand...

I think the point was that it ain't easy being Super-powered and have no release for it... as for Hollywood reasoning...

Defiance of authority, destruction of property, and nudity... we got it all.

 

[Four-Face]

However contrary to popular belief Superman is not Jesus. While he strives to be this impossible level we should try to live up to...he's still 'human' and has human emotions.

I covered that

Well the guy he's been treated like **** his whole life and can't fight back because of what he's capable of. He lost his cool. Happens to everyone once in a while. We all reach a breaking a point.Was it over the top that he destroyed the truck? Yes but at that point I understood why he did it.

Except it wasn't put forth as him losing his cool and having a moment of weakness. It was put forth as a cheap joke.

That scene was hilarious.

A little humor now and then wont do the film some harm.

See?

Yeah when people ripped that scene in MOS talking about how Supes never acts that way they got real silent when I brought up Superman II

It was dumb in Superman II as well.

Would you prefer he broke the dude's hand and threw him into a pinball machine? Hard to drive a truck that way...just saying.

Those are really our only two options? I thought the whole point was not to take revenge at all?

 

[jonathancrane]

The truck scene was not one of the flaws of the film. It worked; it was like when Bond demolished that rich jerk's car in Casino Royale.

 

[souperman]

The truck scene was not one of the flaws of the film. It worked; it was like when Bond demolished that rich jerk's car in Casino Royale.

...yes. That was funny as well.

 

[souperman]

I really don't get some peoples obsession with Superman being held to the same standards as big G - God and or Christ... from birth !

He is not. He is not Christ or God. He is an ALIEN. An alien with powers far beyond that of mortal man.

If humans choose to relate to him or fear him as a god, that is not his fault.

Even Greek and Roman small g gods were vengeful and petty.

Clark was a very pent up-frustrated young man in the beginning of MOS, always holding back. You can't fault him a little bit of release...

besides, he probably used his x-ray vision to check if the trucks insurance was up to date before he trashed it...

 

[roach]

Yeah when people ripped that scene in MOS talking about how Supes never acts that way they got real silent when I brought up Superman II

The problem with Superman, as a character, is we treat him like Jesus...and not the metaphoric space christ we see in the films but in the way we know the character. As an example Batman has a no killing rule. Yet in the Nolan series all of the villains met their deaths at Batman's hands...Ra's in Batman Begins (yes he killed him...he could have saved him but he didn't), Two-Face in TDK and Talia in TDKR...an yet no one blinked an eye at that. No one brings it up every five minutes. This is even in a film series where he verbally says he has one rule.
However we have Superman killing an opponent that couldn't be jailed...couldnt be stuck somewhere...a character that has been killed by Superman in the comics a few times and people freak out.
We treat Superman not like a character but like an idea...like Jesus. We don't allow him to have feelings or moments of weakness. The same with Jesus...few christians could tell you his favorite meal or drink or what he like to do in his quiet moments...but they can tell you what he hates. They can tell you his rules. WB and Zack Snyder are giving us a Superman that is more Man than the guy that we see in the cartoons and comics. We are going to see a man grow into that guy.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Superman II is so good. Those first two Superman movies are incredible. So many classic scenes

 

[TheBat812]

The point was that he was human, that he chose to not retaliate against the individual, but was still young and learning who he was. I find the holy version of the character who always does the right thing all the time his whole life with no flaws to be a pretty boring character and not my favorite incarnation of the character. And it's a reason the GA tends to think of him as a boring character.

 

[jonathancrane]

They should not have inserted the explicit religious imagery into MoS. The absence of them would have aided the characterization, instead of problematizing it.

 

[Tra-El]

Okay... since we're on a "isolated criticism is OK" kick, I'm gonna share the one part I can't get over.

The truck scene. I don't care if he wasn't Superman yet. It was a petty and childish thing to do and DESTROYS the nobility in turning the other cheek in the first place. What's so noble about walking away from a fight if you just destroy the guy's livelihood as soon as you're out the door? How do we know the truck was even insured?

"Superman's not perfect." Not, but he's not a sociopathic ********, either.

Reeve's much adored Superman went back and threw a guy through glass. That's psychotic. I wouldn't read much into it. Assaulting that woman, that trucker is lucky that's all he got IMO.

 

[Guts]

I recently found an old video of some people walking around the Michigan Central Station and the area that Batman is standing in, in the first teaser matches the train station except for the ceiling above him. So I guess the ceiling was probably a green screen

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[TeeKay]

They should not have inserted the explicit religious imagery into MoS. The absence of them would have aided the characterization, instead of problematizing it.

I agree somewhat. This scene was good. With Jor El giving Kal hope. What ruined it for me was this..

And then the godly choir-esque moment that preceded it. I was rolling my eyes.

 

[Charlatan]

Okay... since we're on a "isolated criticism is OK" kick, I'm gonna share the one part I can't get over.

The truck scene. I don't care if he wasn't Superman yet. It was a petty and childish thing to do and DESTROYS the nobility in turning the other cheek in the first place. What's so noble about walking away from a fight if you just destroy the guy's livelihood as soon as you're out the door? How do we know the truck was even insured?

"Superman's not perfect." Not, but he's not a sociopathic ********, either.

trucks have to be insured. you cannot operate without it. no one will hire you without it.