Bought/Thought May 29th, 2008

[Sebastos]

Immortal Iron Fist #15: I thought it was a good issue. I still think Wu's story was better but Bei's story was just as good. Fraction did a great job with the writing and the art was great. I'd love to see more of Brahman in the future. Looking forward to the last issue with Bru, Matt and Aja until Duane and Foreman take over the book.

9/10

 

[Hush]

I don't care what DiDio thinks. There's no story relation between those three events.

To be technical they all have to do with Evil winning in some way or another. Infinite Crisis connor died and evil succeeded in killing a hero along with seperating the Trinity. In Identity Crisis Ray Palmers wife was incarcerated, trust was lost between heros and there were killings galore. Final Crisis there has been promoted as the day the bad guys win. Is it weak? yes. Does it work? In my eyes, yes.

 

[BrianWilly]

I don't care what DiDio thinks. There's no story relation between those three events.

You're joking, right? Maybe not between the second and third Crises -- mostly because the latter only has one issue out at this point anyway -- but the first and second Crises shared a whole assload of story relations. The whole return of Superman-2 and the others in "heaven," the rebirth of the multiverse, Power Girl's origins, the Anti-Monitor tower, etc etc etc. The two main antagonists were vital survivors of the first series!

Even Final Crisis looks to be having a lot to do with the Monitors and the multiverse which was kinda the main focus of the first one.

 

[Blader5489]

You're joking, right? Maybe not between the second and third Crises -- mostly because the latter only has one issue out at this point anyway -- but the first and second Crises shared a whole assload of story relations. The whole return of Superman-2 and the others in "heaven," the rebirth of the multiverse, Power Girl's origins, the Anti-Monitor tower, etc etc etc. The two main antagonists were vital survivors of the first series!

I think you misread something. Corp said that Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, and Final Crisis were all part of a trilogy, and I said that those three stories were barely connected to each other.

 

[kguillou]

You know, i gotta respect DC for sticking with a good old-fashioned " Good vs Evil" story event, rather than all the complicated stuff goin on at marvel right now, but that's not to say that i'm not absolutely loving everything marvel's doing right now, i just wish the good guys were fighting the bad guys and not each other.

 

[Blader5489]

You know, i gotta respect DC for sticking with a good old-fashioned " Good vs Evil" story event, rather than all the complicated stuff goin on at marvel right now, but that's not to say that i'm not absolutely loving everything marvel's doing right now, i just wish the good guys were fighting the bad guys and not each other.

This is so blown out of proportion. Plenty of Marvel books (hell, nearly all of them) are stories of good guys vs. bad guys. Even NA has the heroes beating up symbiotes and ninjas and the Hood.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The good guys'll soon be fighting Skrulls, who are pretty classic bad guys.

I think you misread something. Corp said that Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, and Final Crisis were all part of a trilogy, and I said that those three stories were barely connected to each other.

I'm pretty sure DiDio counted Identity Crisis as the first part of his Crisis trilogy. I agree with BW, though, that Crisis on Infinite Earths has a lot more in common with Infinite Crisis and what it seems like Final Crisis will be about.

 

[Blader5489]

The good guys'll soon be fighting Skrulls, who are pretty classic bad guys.

I'm pretty sure DiDio counted Identity Crisis as the first part of his Crisis trilogy. I agree with BW, though, that Crisis on Infinite Earths has a lot more in common with Infinite Crisis and what it seems like Final Crisis will be about.

And I agree with that too. I'm just saying that Identity, Infinite, and Final have little do with each other.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Okay, here's what DiDio recently said on his "trilogy":

Unofficially, it’s part of a trilogy of recent events that DiDio calls “an exploration of our heroes.” Identity Crisis, the first part, was in DiDio’s words, a “personal threat” to the protagonists of the DC Universe. Follow-up Infinite Crisis was “putting the greatest odds against the heroes,” and Final Crisis is ‘the day that evil won.”

So I guess the thematic connection is that each one breaks the heroes down a little bit more, setting them against each other first, then setting them against the biggest odds imaginable, then setting them against something they literally can't beat. Kind of weird, but that's DiDio for you.

 

[RockSP]

Bought:

Giant-Size Astonishing X-men #1
X-Force #4
Young Avengers Presents #5
1985 #1
Huntress: Year One #2
Final Crisis #1
Green Lantern #31
Project Superpowers #3
Legion of Superheroes #42
New Warriors #12
Astounding Wolf-Man #6
All Star Superman #11
Number of the Beast #4
Uncanny X-men #498
She-Hulk #29
Daredevil #107
Thor #9
Iron Fist #15
Ms. Marvel #27
Dynamo 5 Annual #1
Un-Men #10
Hero By Night #2
Urban Sprawl Preview Book

Thought:

New Warriors - Eh. Doesn't really make sense that half the team got left behind last issue. We know Thrash was mainly there to get some data or something but why take half the team with you? And why not utilize the ghostmode thing that was introduced a few issues ago?

Daredevil - Heh heh. You can't get more obscure than Big Ben (has Cage ever had a decent adversary?). Leave it to Brubaker and Rucker to make him somewhat interesting. Good to see Matt finally heading back to the courtroom.

Urban Sprawl - Just a few pages of sequentials minus dialogue and several profiles of the characters we will see once the book gets started but it still was worth the price. Can't wait for #1.

 

[CaptainCanada]

has Cage ever had a decent adversary?)

Are you disrespecting Mr. Fish?

 

[RockSP]

He's no Piranah Jones.

 

[Dread]

Sort of in topic, but on my lunch break from work I passed by a comic shop and happened to flip through FINAL CRISIS #1 just to kill a minute or two. J'onn SERIOUSLY got shanked and went down like a girl (or a superhero's girlfriend). It sucked.

Hopefully he isn't on the verge of becoming another Red Tornado or Piccolo character; a once potent fighter whose existence is to job to others and make them look dangerous.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, he's not on the verge of anything. He's dead. It'll probably a good couple of years before he comes back. Or, since he died in a Crisis, as much as twenty years.

 

[Dread]

No, he's not on the verge of anything. He's dead. It'll probably a good couple of years before he comes back. Or, since he died in a Crisis, as much as twenty years.

J'onn's a well known B-Lister, I doubt he will be dead THAT long. Even Thor came back after about 3-4 years. Same with Colossus. Even less for Hawkeye, who had an almost-as-lame death.

But I totally agree with you, man. J'onn has a sucky death sequence. It lacked any emotion and it just felt random, or at least that was what I got from a flip-through. I still don't understand DC's obsession with the armor-clad supervillain Luthor when it was the corrupt businessman angle that everyone seems to know better and enjoy. But then again, I haven't understood DC's self-defeating actions since OYL.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

My understanding of the DC universe at present is that everything from the Silver Age is good and everything that developed the universe past that is bad. Everything except a handful of their titles feels regressive to me right now.

But Manhunter's starting up again soon, so as long as DC continues to publish that, I can't complain.

Much.

 

[Dread]

My understanding of the DC universe at present is that everything from the Silver Age is good and everything that developed the universe past that is bad. Everything except a handful of their titles feels regressive to me right now.

But Manhunter's starting up again soon, so as long as DC continues to publish that, I can't complain.

Much.

But that's ridiculously backward, like OMD has been with Peter. **** has to grow sometimes, man.

Oh well.

 

[UK_Stu]

Sort of in topic, but on my lunch break from work I passed by a comic shop and happened to flip through FINAL CRISIS #1 just to kill a minute or two. J'onn SERIOUSLY got shanked and went down like a girl (or a superhero's girlfriend). It sucked.

Hopefully he isn't on the verge of becoming another Red Tornado or Piccolo character; a once potent fighter whose existence is to job to others and make them look dangerous.

Heh, don't get me started on Red Tornado. He's been portrayed as being pretty powerful, has a badass power and a pretty interesting(if Vision-like) background. But in the last few years, he seems to go into every fight and immediately get this robotic bodyr ipped into small pieces, then spends the next few issues in bits on a table in a lab somewhere.

 

[venom892]

Final Crisis was just ok to me.Didn't wow me at all.Same with Batman R.I.P.Morrison needs to bring up the level of quality soon.

 

[GNR]

1985 was a surprise,hopefully Millar keeps this as self contained as he's saying.Trying to tie this into current continuity would just ruin it,plus TLE is amazing.

Captain America #38 was decent,but having AIM agents around to beat up and create action is getting a bit too tiresome and repetitive.

All Star Superman was as awesome as it always is.

JSA #15 had some solid action by Eaglesham,I'm really enjoying this book,such a wide variety of characters and Johns handles it all like cake.

Waid's Brave and the Bold is always a fun read.Great self contained stories using a ****load of characters every month.It's going to suck seeing him go,but JMS writing this should prove interesting.