Am I The Only Person Here.........

[The Guard]

Are you serious? I mean, I know there's this ridiculous mentality now that every damn car chase-like sequence has to "top" every other movie, but come on. That scene is what it is. It's Castle killing his assassin in fine fashion.

 

[S. Grundy]

The Kuwait battle had to be cut along with Jimmy Weeks sub plot*. The Harry Heck scene was more involved and had a actual car chase, the police actually played a part in the film, Castle stopping a bank robbery, killing the Toro brothers at the end a bunch of smaller stuff too.

*Even though it was reinserted in the Extended Cut, it would have been better if it stayed in the film.

 

[phillyboy]

the 1 second car chase for one....

With a 12million budget, we'll be lucky if he even has a car in this one.

 

[Mr. Socko]

How did the budget itself hurt the 04 movie?

Because half of it went in John T's pocketbook!

 

[COAL TIGER]

V FOR VENDETTA had a much larger budget. It also had Natalie Portman to anchor it, and the Wachowskis name. CATWOMAN was just a bad movie, period.

Although, I wouldn't consider either of them "shoot em ups".

Punisher 04 had John Travolta, and a very small budget. But it still didn't do good.

 

[StylishHokie21]

You're definitely not the only one. Thomas Jane convinced me in the first one that he was The Punisher. He apparently didn't like the direction this movie was going in and left, which was really disappointing to me. Without him, I don't see this going anywhere.

 

[Lebeau]

That budget is weak...very weak. I'm still pretty optimistic about this film. The cast is very solid and there are enough nods to the MAX comicverse already to get me excited (McGinty, Pittsy, Ink, etc.) I like the thought of seeing these guys on screen.

The Punisher can be done right with the most basic of storylines, a little violence and just great visuals. From the little I've seen from photos, it looks very nice...haunting, strange, unnerving colours and backdrops. The film looks threatening...and as long as they get that across and have the vigilante struggle running through the plot line, they'll get it done right.

I think Wayne Knight's Micro is going to be great, and I reckon it's gonna be awesome to see Frank kill Jigsaw. It's gonna be an enjoyable movie...but I think this will be the end of the Punisher film franchise.

Direct-to-DVD won't happen. Release date announced, film is wrapped and a solid name cast behind the film...I really can't see it not making theaters.

 

[Brendan]

It did happen to Idiocracy though. I remember the poster was up in theaters still when that one was announced for DVD.

 

[The Guard]

The Kuwait battle had to be cut along with Jimmy Weeks sub plot*.

The battle scene...ok, I can see that being related to budget. The Weeks subplot was in the movie to begin with, just cut out (not for budget, for running time), and it could be argued that it's really not that integral to the movie anyway, although it was interesting.

The Harry Heck scene was more involved and had a actual car chase, the police actually played a part in the film, Castle stopping a bank robbery, killing the Toro brothers at the end a bunch of smaller stuff too.

The car chase, ok, but it worked for what it was. A lot of that sounds more like story choices to keep the flow of the film than budget related stuff.

Because half of it went in John T's pocketbook!

From what I understand, he took quite a pay cut for the film. Well, not a paycut exactly...

That means that co-star John Travolta, who normally gets $20 million a picture, did not of course take up half the budget with his salary. "Since his part was a four-week part, I don't think he took a pay cut, but I do think it was certainly pro rata what he was paid."

Punisher 04 had John Travolta, and a very small budget. But it still didn't do good.

Didn't do good on what level? The budget for THE PUNISHER was $33 million. It made it back domestically, and made $54 million worldwide, as well as cleaning up on DVD. So it was a pretty financially successful movie.

You're definitely not the only one. Thomas Jane convinced me in the first one that he was The Punisher. He apparently didn't like the direction this movie was going in and left, which was really disappointing to me. Without him, I don't see this going anywhere.

I enjoyed the heck out of his performance, but why would the movie just suddenly be awful without Thomas Jane?

The Punisher can be done right with the most basic of storylines, a little violence and just great visuals.

Exactly. In fact, given the nature of The Punisher and his enemies, I would argue that that's how it should be done.

 

[COAL TIGER]

Didn't do good on what level? The budget for THE PUNISHER was $33 million. It made it back domestically, and made $54 million worldwide, as well as cleaning up on DVD. So it was a pretty financially successful movie.

It still didn't do good. Some of the money movies make also goes to theathers.

 

[spidey-dude]

There is no sidekick, he doesn't live in the sewers, and Lexi Alexander directed Green street hooligans, rent that movie and stop being sexist. I enjoyed reading the script and believe this movie will turn out great

a s**t version of football factory, green street was a ridiculous movie that had no reality to it at all, a firm would never accept that nancy boy

 

[The Guard]

l didn't do good. Some of the money movies make also goes to theathers.

...

 

[S. Grundy]

The car chase, ok, but it worked for what it was. A lot of that sounds more like story choices to keep the flow of the film than budget related stuff.

Well, no because the scene where Castle "announces" his return was pared down to what was in the movie. Originally after he killed the goons in the lobby he was going to get arrested, that whole "upset" bit would've been in the interrogation room. Then would've been released because of self defense and a permit to carry. The stuff just added more to the movie, the movie still works without it, but I would have preferred how it originally was.

a s**t version of football factory, green street was a ridiculous movie that had no reality to it at all, a firm would never accept that nancy boy

Also, The Firm and I.D. were better "hooligan" movies too.

 

[ObakeTora]

Meh. this is really disappointing, Im going to stock up on alphabet soup but really it sounds like the quality of this film won't be that much different then the 04 version. I don't know. I really wish the rights revert back to Marvel because this Frank is a sad combination of 616 and Max, and if they use this Frank his on screen presence will only work if he does something extreme like shoot a bad guy directly in the face in front of Spidey or The Red Clown and keep his mouth shut until the end of the movie. But I know Im being too harsh, and I'll pwn myself if I'm wrong. Hope Im wrong.

a s**t version of football factory, green street was a ridiculous movie that had no reality to it at all, a firm would never accept that nancy boy

football factory? I'm gonna check that out.

 

[Gotham]

I'm excited for the film, but I wish we had something to talk about on the forum.

 

[Spade]

I don't know. A part of me wants to see a Punisher film handled better than the last one. But another part of me wonders if Castle works on the big screen at all. I mean, this is the third live-action attempt with two previous ones failing to deliver. In this one, they seem to be giving him a comic book villain. Not a good idea, in my book. Castle's one of the few that doesn't require a villain to have a good story...which brings me back to my previous point. If this is going to be an overglorified Taxi Driver, should a movie be made in the first place?

I'll tell you this much for certain: I still haven't seen anything yet that gives me a reason to be hyped about with this film. Combine that with a release date that's reserved for stinkers like AVP: Requiem and you've got a breeding ground for negativity.

 

[COAL TIGER]

It still didn't do good. Some of the money movies make also goes to theathers.

Actually half of the money movies make also goes to theathers.

 

[The Guard]

What in god's name do you all want from a Punisher movie? I love the character as much as anyone, but what exactly do you think they've gotten so wrong?

 

[S. Grundy]

I don't know. A part of me wants to see a Punisher film handled better than the last one. But another part of me wonders if Castle works on the big screen at all. I mean, this is the third live-action attempt with two previous ones failing to deliver. In this one, they seem to be giving him a comic book villain. Not a good idea, in my book. Castle's one of the few that doesn't require a villain to have a good story...which brings me back to my previous point. If this is going to be an overglorified Taxi Driver, should a movie be made in the first place?.

Well no, seeing as how Jane actually wanted the movie to be in the vein of Taxi Driver, seeing as how he left...

 

[Brendan]

What in god's name do you all want from a Punisher movie? I love the character as much as anyone, but what exactly do you think they've gotten so wrong?

I would envision a Punisher movie more along the lines of the movie HEAT, except not as slowly paced at parts and have a cast of characters who's lives are all affected by the Punisher in various ways.

In my opinion, a good vigilante story needs to convince you that there are people in this world who truely do deserve to die.

 

[Kable24]

What in god's name do you all want from a Punisher movie? I love the character as much as anyone, but what exactly do you think they've gotten so wrong?

A movie that stays true to the character and doesn't change details of the characters history no matter how minute.

Here is what they got wrong.

A reboot so soon after the last movie.
They lost Tom Jane who was an excellent Frank Castle and proved he can be the Punisher. I wanted to see him be what he was in the last 20 minutes of the 2004 movie for 90+ minutes.
They hire a guy to score the movie who hasn't done anything but reality tv in the past few years.
Letting LGF retain the rights to the character.

Did I miss anything?

 

[S. Grundy]

What in god's name do you all want from a Punisher movie? I love the character as much as anyone, but what exactly do you think they've gotten so wrong?

A good script would be one, then again they may have fixed some problems but here is no really knowing. The urban western vibe from the '04 movie along with the Taxi Driver type grit is ideal for me.

The casting has really been the only good thing about the movie.

 

[The Guard]

I would envision a Punisher movie more along the lines of the movie HEAT, except not as slowly paced at parts and have a cast of characters who's lives are all affected by the Punisher in various ways.

Interesting. Sort of like the current WAR ZONE script?

In my opinion, a good vigilante story needs to convince you that there are people in this world who truely do deserve to die.

Which the previous movie AND the older one both did. And which the script for WAR ZONE clearly does.

A movie that stays true to the character and doesn't change details of the characters history no matter how minute.

That I can understand. WAR ZONE seems to be leaning in that direction.

Did I miss anything?

Yes. You missed anything actually related to the story, themes, etc.

A good script would be one, then again they may have fixed some problems but here is no really knowing. The urban western vibe from the '04 movie along with the Taxi Driver type grit is ideal for me.

What is a "good script" with regard to The Punisher?

You guys are being really, really vague here.

I read an unproduced Punisher script several years ago. It featured the origin with Frank's family being killed in Central Park, Frank waking up borderline insane in a hospital and just carving a path through the underworld, flashbacks to Vietnam, the police hunting him, etc. Jigsaw was the villain, a version of the battle van and warehouse HQ was involved, Micro was a part of the storyline, all the right themes and story elements were explored, it was just fantastic stuff. Pure Punisher. That's what I'd like to see. WAR ZONE seems to have gotten close to that.

 

[S. Grundy]

You haven't read the script have you, 'cause it is in no way comparable to Heat in slightest way. It introduces a couple of characters and then does absolutely nothing with them.

In regards to a good script, you know something that doesn't involve Castle crawling on a table and killing someone with a lobster, and the above mentioned fleshing out of characters.

 

[The Guard]

You haven't read the script have you, 'cause it is in no way comparable to Heat in slightest way. It introduces a couple of characters and then does absolutely nothing with them.

That's probably because it isn't HEAT. If it was, it would be a complete ripoff.

Your complaints about character development simply are not accurate. The script does things with every major character it introduces. Every character has a clear arc, conflicts to overcome, decisions to make, and places to "go". Is it the most interesting arc ever? No, but it is realistic and relevant.

In regards to a good script, you know something that doesn't involve Castle crawling on a table and killing someone with a lobster, and the above mentioned fleshing out of characters.

So, despite the fact that Castle has been killing people in strange ways for DECADES...and the fact that he kills plenty of people through normal means...

I mean, it smacks of "I hate the fact that he kills someone with a lobster", but you've clearly missed the point of the scene. The point is that Castle is a resourceful fellow. He will use whatever he has to kill with. This is spot-on the character from the comics.