AMC orders 'Preacher' pilot.

[RedIsNotBlue]

This isn't "little character changes". We're talking about a complete reimagining of characters here.

Whatever...little, big or medium sized. I don't know what some people were expecting. With a bat**** crazy series like this being adapted for AMC I am expecting even more changes and things (characters) even being completely cut out. It isn't like they are making the characters like that for the hell of it they are making these changes for how they structured the story.

 

[James]

Seems a lot more like they're doing it for the hell of it than structure. Obviously it can't be a Sin City style shot-for-shot, word-for-word adaptation from page to screen, but how is completely reworking Jesse's mom done for 'structure'?

Other than the nudity depicted in the book, there's really nothing in Preacher that couldn't be aired on AMC, so it's not a question of content. At this point, reserving judgement though I may be, it really does seem like they're making pretty drastic changes for no other reason than because they can.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Whatever...little, big or medium sized. I don't know what some people were expecting. With a bat**** crazy series like this being adapted for AMC I am expecting even more changes and things (characters) even being completely cut out. It isn't like they are making the characters like that for the hell of it they are making these changes for how they structured the story.

Your argument doesn't make sense. The Christina L'Angell character as she was originally in the comics is perfect for a one-to-one translation to a TV series. If anything, jazzing her up in such a nonsensical fashion actually adds to the bat**** crazy and does speak of creative making changes just for the hell of it.

Seems a lot more like they're doing it for the hell of it than structure. Obviously it can't be a Sin City style shot-for-shot, word-for-word adaptation from page to screen, but how is completely reworking Jesse's mom done for 'structure'?

Other than the nudity depicted in the book, there's really nothing in Preacher that couldn't be aired on AMC, so it's not a question of content. At this point, reserving judgement though I may be, it really does seem like they're making pretty drastic changes for no other reason than because they can.

Can't wait for Jody the NASCAR driver and TC the computer hacker

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

What other reason would they have for reworking the character?

And just the nudity??? Did you not read all of the parts with the graphic violence, swearing, religious themes that can be very touchy to depict? You also have to remember they are working with a specific budget.

Your argument doesn't make sense. The Christina L'Angell character as she was originally in the comics is perfect for a one-to-one translation to a TV series. If anything, jazzing her up in such a nonsensical fashion actually adds to the bat**** crazy and does speak of creative making changes just for the hell of it.

I'm not really arguing or even saying you have to love the changes they make. Just find it odd that you others are already condemning changes and getting nervous when I have been fully prepared for them and expect even more to come. Just saying you should brace yourself for the near future. The closest Preacher would have ever come to being an accurate adaption from comic to screen was the proposed HBO idea Mark Steven Johnson had a while back but that isn't happening. This was the second best option Preacher heading to AMC. Thank god the movie never happened that would have SUCKED. But purists will never be satisfied. Fans of the Game of Thrones book series constantly find changes in the show to ***** about and that is one of the greatest shows ever made...period. It is what it is.

 

[James]

What other reason would they have for reworking the character?

And just the nudity??? Did you not read all of the parts with the graphic violence, swearing, religious themes that can be very touchy to depict? You also have to remember they are working with a specific budget.

As I said, I've read Preacher well over a dozen times. AMC has had swearing on their shows before, maybe they tone it down, but they can still have it. As to the violence, both Breaking Bad and The Walking Dead have plenty of graphic, on screen brutality. I didn't say "other than the nudity" without giving it some thought, I'm well aware of what happens in the comic series.

Regarding the budget, they can't afford scar makeup for Jesse's mom? Come on, completely reworking characters, introducing new characters, these aren't budgetary concerns by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe some of the bigger set pieces get dialed down, maybe we don't see quite as many tanks in the desert battle or The All Father isn't quite as big, those are budgetary limitations. What we're looking at, especially at this very early stage, is making creative changes for no other reason than the people in charge think it'll be cool.

I hope this series turns out awesome, but at this stage my hopes aren't high.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

The fact that they're casting so many prominent Annville-related characters seems to suggest that the town is going to be a major focus in the series (maybe a stand-in for Salvation?). I can only hope that this doesn't compromise the road trip feel of the original series.

I'm not really arguing or even saying you have to love the changes they make. Just find it odd that you others are already condemning changes and getting nervous when I have been fully prepared for them and expect even more to come. Just saying you should brace yourself for the near future. The closest Preacher would have ever come to being an accurate adaption from comic to screen was the proposed HBO idea Mark Steven Johnson had a while back but that isn't happening. This was the second best option Preacher heading to AMC. Thank god the movie never happened that would have SUCKED. But purists will never be satisfied. Fans of the Game of Thrones book series constantly find changes in the show to ***** about and that is one of the greatest shows ever made...period. It is what it is.

You argued that we should have come to accept radical changes to the original series and its characters in the transition to another medium because of their inherently crazy nature. But what I'm arguing is that the Christian L'Angell character as she was originally in the comics is completely "ordinary" and hence there should be no problem putting her on TV as is (or at the very least, with as minimal changes as possible). By reworking her into an utterly absurd and nonsensical matter they're just invoking the craziness you claim they're allegedly avoiding by making these changes, and does give the impression of people making changes just to make changes.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

As I said, I've read Preacher well over a dozen times. AMC has had swearing on their shows before, maybe they tone it down, but they can still have it. As to the violence, both Breaking Bad and The Walking Dead have plenty of graphic, on screen brutality. I didn't say "other than the nudity" without giving it some thought, I'm well aware of what happens in the comic series.

Regarding the budget, they can't afford scar makeup for Jesse's mom? Come on, completely reworking characters, introducing new characters, these aren't budgetary concerns by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe some of the bigger set pieces get dialed down, maybe we don't see quite as many tanks in the desert battle or The All Father isn't quite as big, those are budgetary limitations. What we're looking at, especially at this very early stage, is making creative changes for no other reason than the people in charge think it'll be cool.

I hope this series turns out awesome, but at this stage my hopes aren't high.

Of course they can still have swearing I am not a moron. I am saying the swearing from my memory (it has been a while since I've actually read through the Preacher series) was Hard R and very prevalent. Yes I have seen Breaking Bad they had moments of brutality sure but not on the same level as I remember from Preacher IMO. I haven't seen The Walking Dead yet but I would imagine they get away with a lot of violence on that show because they are killing zombies graphically most of the time.

And you are putting words into my mouth about the budget. I am simply saying they have a set dollar amount to spend for each episode and that can factor into creative decisions and how the overall storyline is told.

Once again I am not seeking to argue or even debate this...I am kind of done as far as that goes. Just was saying if you guys are already feeling disappointed to what I consider to be small changes then you are probably going to be even more disappointed as more info becomes known in the coming months.

 

[James]

Of course they can still have swearing I am not a moron. I am saying the swearing from my memory (it has been a while since I've actually read through the Preacher series) was Hard R and very prevalent. Yes I have seen Breaking Bad they had moments of brutality sure but not on the same level as I remember from Preacher IMO. I haven't seen The Walking Dead yet but I would imagine they get away with a lot of violence on that show because they are killing zombies graphically most of the time.

And you are putting words into my mouth about the budget. I am simply saying they have a set dollar amount to spend for each episode and that can factor into creative decisions and how the overall storyline is told.

Once again I am not seeking to argue or even debate this...I am kind of done as far as that goes. Just was saying if you guys are already feeling disappointed to what I consider to be small changes then you are probably going to be even more disappointed as more info becomes known in the coming months.

No one's saying you're a moron.

I did not put words in your mouth, I agreed with you (that they are working with a budget and it may effect necessary changes) and further explained that it does not effect basic character creation.

I have said repeatedly that I am hopeful the series will be good, only that the current information doesn't sound promising. I'm happy to end the discussion here as well.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

l Reworking the mother is a HUGE change. It affects more than her own character.

Edit: The official description omits mention of her as his mother. Wtf

 

[runawayboulder]

Christina Custer, who she was and how she was raised is a MAJOR part of what makes Jessie Custer. He was born out of the lone bright spot in her life in her relationship with Jessie's father. I'm not sure how many people here have actually read the comic or remember it but when Jessie's father was murdered it was right in front of his eyes was the last time he ever cried or showed emotion. And the moment his mother was dragged away before his eyes was the point that broke him.

It was brought up over and over through the series and was a main driving point in his relationship with Tulip before culminating in the last pages of the final issue. You take that stuff away and you are taking away a large part of what makes up the main character.

 

[Specter313]

Before things get too out of hand in this discussion, I took a look at the Deadline article that this originally came from, and it actually doesn't mention anything about her being Jessie's mom:

Weeds alumna Elizabeth Perkins is set for a co-starring role opposite Dominic Cooper in AMC drama pilot Preacher, based on Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon’s cult 1990s comic. The project, from Seth Rogen & Evan Goldberg, Sony TV and AMC Studios, centers on Jesse Custer (Cooper), a conflicted preacher in a small Texas town who merges with a creature that has escaped from heaven and develops the ability to make anyone do anything he says. Along with his ex-girlfriend, Tulip (Ruth Negga), and an Irish vampire named Cassidy (Joseph Gilgun), the three embark on a journey to literally find God. Perkins plays Vyla Quinncannon, a genteel but formidable businesswoman who owns the local slaughterhouse in Annville. Ambitious, strong-willed and terrifying, Vyla shares a past with Jesse’s father which gives her a singular hold over Jesse. The cast also includes Lucy Griffiths who plays Emily, and Ian Colletti, who plays Eugene Root, aka Arseface. Perkins is repped by Gersh and Brillstein Entertainment Partners.

http://deadline.com/2015/04/elizabeth-perkins-cast-preacher-pilot-amc-1201412041/

So there's a chance that this was a mistake on the other article's part.

 

[Man in the Suit]

Filmdivider says the series has some major reinventions, but it's still very much Preacher.

http://www.filmdivider.com/9758/amc...ion-and-faithful-to-the-soul-of-the-original/

 

[runawayboulder]

So basically whomever wrote the article for CBR completely misquoted the Deadline article.

Makes sense. She has a connection to his father but is not his mother. CBR just assumed that. Nice to see the hire writers that know the industry and do their research.

Elizabeth Perkins is a great actress and I love the casting. It sounds like perhaps she's a re-imagining of Jessie's grandma. Have we heard anything about casting of that character?

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Before things get too out of hand in this discussion, I took a look at the Deadline article that this originally came from, and it actually doesn't mention anything about her being Jessie's mom:

http://deadline.com/2015/04/elizabeth-perkins-cast-preacher-pilot-amc-1201412041/

So there's a chance that this was a mistake on the other article's part.

Ok, this makes me feel a little better. Vylan as a re-imagined Grandma preserves the spirit of the character while providing a twist that fits the new story and medium, and folding aspects of Qdin Quincannon goes with the centralized setting. OTOH...

Filmdivider says the series has some major reinventions, but it's still very much Preacher.

http://www.filmdivider.com/9758/amc...ion-and-faithful-to-the-soul-of-the-original/

As I feared, they're focusing the series on Annville (probably folding Salvation onto it?) and dowplaying the road trip aspect of the original series, which is part of its spirit.

 

[Jason Kane]

Ok, this makes me feel a little better. Vylan as a re-imagined Grandma preserves the spirit of the character while providing a twist that fits the new story and medium, and folding aspects of Qdin Quincannon goes with the centralized setting. OTOH...



As I feared, they're focusing the series on Annville (probably folding Salvation onto it?) and dowplaying the road trip aspect of the original series, which is part of its spirit.

I'm not surprised having made Tulip black which negates the Cindy portion of the Salvation arc entirely.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

I'm not surprised having made Tulip black when negates the Cindy portion of the Salvation arc entirely.

Now that I've heard that they're setting the series a lot around Annville, it seems to me that Lucy Griffith character might be a re-imagined amalgamation of Amy and Cindy.

 

[Jason Kane]

Now that I've heard that they're setting the series a lot around Annville, it seems to me that Lucy Griffith character might be a re-imagined amalgamation of Amy and Cindy.

Thus weakening the spirit of the comic

 

[BeaverJuk]

I always thought if they when they got to Marie L'Angell someone like Jessica lange or Jessica Walter would be perfect as they can get over their cult of personality of marie and also being a complete ***** as well.

 

[Black Narcissus]

The boy has my blessing.

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[James]

I always thought if they when they got to Marie L'Angell someone like Jessica lange or Jessica Walter would be perfect as they can get over their cult of personality of marie and also being a complete ***** as well.

No, Jesse's grandma is now being combined with The Saint of Killers and is a Mexican astronaut.

(Lange or Walters would have been awesome though)

 

[KevanG]

Speaking of Astronauts... (Everyone who read the books knows where I'm going with this)

Think we'll see him???

 

[James]

I was thinking about Johnny Wombat when I wrote that

 

[Jason Kane]

Why do I have the feeling Jesse's mother's maiden name will be Quinncannon all of the sudden?...

 

[KevanG]

Didn't they basically state that in one of the last info releases?

 

[Jason Kane]

Didn't they basically state that in one of the last info releases?

Not really unless its 2nd hand opinions in vein of BuzzFeed