Another Person Shot While Looking for Help

[Nathan]

The "victim" was 19, probably not the brightest considering how things turned out.

Yeah, what an idiot to hope that someone with an ounce of compassion would answer the door, and at worst would expect someone to tell her to **** off at that hour.

If someone would knock at your door at night, after breaching your super security comprised of an electrified gate, pack of specially trained attacks dogs, missile launchers with proximity detectors and lake of laser headed sharks, then you might have a point. Then you have every right to be worried. But not everyone has your fancy setup. If that guy was possibly as scared as you said, there was a simple way to avoid all of this. Don't. Open. The. Door.

If I would have been scared out of my mind and in his shoes, the most I would have done would have been to point the gun at the door, and wait for whoever it is to open it. And only then pull the trigger.

 

[charl_huntress]

why are you only applying this to the homeowner, and then turning around and calling the dead girl an idiot for knocking on a door at 2:30 when she was scared?

For me, I can't see how she got caught up like this. I was young, and I made bad choices, but as a female (and I am black) I was never out that late without a woadie . Plus, I just have a natural distaste for other people's ********. It's usually the person with the ******** who catches someone without any ******** in a snare.

If I would have been scared out of my mind and in his shoes, the most I would have done would have been to point the gun at the door, and wait for whoever it is to open it. And only then pull the trigger.

If you are scared it's easy not to think of the best thing to do, which is I why I always strive to be prepared with options. That's just me though and my life. As for my house, I don't want to have to shoot someone. I hope never have to, which is why my home is as well defended as I can make it. It's a deterrent in itself.

 

[Hotwire]

Are you seriously saying for the little bit that has been released in this story that the "shooter" didn't care? Do you know this person?

C'mon....you are being dramatic and taking license based off reactions and responses of others. You know NOTHING about the shooter. Hell! I know nothing about him/her either, but I just feel something is wrong about this.

As for this person not calling the cops...

All I can say is people make bad choices at times when they are scared.

Shooting someone in the face with a shotgun and leaving their corpse on your front porch goes juuuuust a tiny bit past "bad choice". It shows depraved indifference to human life. Stop defending this guy. Or at least, afford the dead girl the same benefit of the doubt you do him.

I mean for f***'s sake, even George Zimmerman called 911!

 

[Motown Marvel]

lol...again...then be careful. In truth, I'm scared of your delusional ass.

see, thats yer problem. yer scared of me....an unarmed person who means you no harm. and according to yer logic, you might shoot me in the face for that.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

lol...again...then be careful. In truth, I'm scared of your delusional ass.

Is there anything you're NOT scared of? Seems to me you have quite a lot of irrational fear.

 

[charl_huntress]

Don't get personal with this. You don't know me okay. We have been discussing this particular situation. But please don't start with any personal attacks like you know me. I have been quite civil and that's not usually my forte, but don't get it twisted.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

Don't get personal with this. You don't know me okay. We have been discussing this particular situation. But please don't start with any personal attacks like you know me. I have been quite civil and that's not usually my forte, but don't get it twisted.

I'm just going by what you have said, your own words...

charl huntress:

I guess for me because I grew up in a not-so-good neighbor where people have been shot for far less, I just can't see that as a choice I would have made. I am perplexed by it.

Paranoia

As for me...I am more cautious than the average person. Also my situation is a bit different in that I have cameras around my house. I also have a gated area that you have to bypass to get to my front door. If someone is banging on my door at that hour then they have hopped a fence to get in.

Paranoia

Because everyone who knows me knows me. They know I am very cautious when it comes to my safety, and if you know me then you don't show up at my door at that hour without calling first.

Paranoia

Plus, I just have a natural distaste for other people's ********. It's usually the person with the ******** who catches someone without any ******** in a snare.

Paranoia. It doesn't seem like you give anyone the benefit of the doubt as you claim to.

Someone knocking on my door at that hour is someone I don't know, so I have no clue what their intentions may be. At that hour I'm also not inclined to find out. Also, in my case, I have a gate surrounding my front yard and the entrance is locked pretty much 80% of the time. If someone is at my door then they have hopped my fence to do so. The fence is an indication to stay out...if you trespass then you are doing so at your own risk.

Here you're comparing your situation to the victim in this case, which is completely different. Apples and oranges different. This guys apartment had no gates or heavy security like your locked down compound does. It's not even remotely comparable, so why do you keep doing it?

 

[charl_huntress]

le sigh...what exactly are you trying to achieve here? Please explain this to me. Are you trying to get me to change my mind about how I feel about this situation? I think it should be obvious that is not going to happen. Or, are you trying to explain something that you think might make me change my mind? I am fine with my life and the experiences in my life that have kept me alive. You can call that paranoia or irrational behavior, but it is who I am. I don't really give a **** if you have a problem with it.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

le sigh...what exactly are you trying to achieve here? Please explain this to me. Are you trying to get me to change my mind about how I feel about this situation? I think it should be obvious that is not going to happen. Or, are you trying to explain something that you think might make me change my mind? I am fine with my life and the experiences in my life that have kept me alive. You can call that paranoia or irrational behavior, but it is who I am. I don't really give a **** if you have a problem with it.

I'm saying that extreme paranoia like this is why innocent people looking for help might get shot in the face.

Also that your situation of thinking someone knocking on your compound door(breaching several levels of security) is in any way related to or even close to the same thing as someone knocking on an apartment door for help, is absurd.

Someone jumping your fence or gate to get to your door is not even close to the same as knocking on an outside apartment/house door, so stop comparing the two.

 

[charl_huntress]

I'm saying that extreme paranoia like this is why innocent people looking for help might get shot in the face.

Also that your situation of thinking someone knocking on your compound door(breaching several levels of security) is in any way related to someone knocking on an apartment door for help, is absurd.

Someone jumping your fence or gate is not even close to the same as knocking on an outside apartment/house door, so stop comparing the two.

As I have repeatedly stated I am giving the owner the benefit of the doubt for being scared at the time of night because IT IS NOT extreme for someone to be scared at that time of night. It is not an extreme response to have fear when someone unknown is knocking on your door at that late hour when you are most likely sleep and not expecting visitors. I don't know what sort of fantasy land you live in to think that it is extreme.

If you read the posts that you pasted you will see I was describing MY particular situation. I'm not saying it relates in anyway except to say that I can understand someone being scared by someone at their door at that late hour. Even if I didn't have any security, I could still understand that.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

You should let go.

 

[charl_huntress]

Meh...I'm watching MOS again and surfing the net. The thing is I don't really care if anyone agrees with me...lol. I never do.

 

[Motown Marvel]

You WOULD be watching MOS while surfing the net.

 

[The Question]

As I have repeatedly stated I am giving the owner the benefit of the doubt for being scared at the time of night because IT IS NOT extreme for someone to be scared at that time of night. It is not an extreme response to have fear when someone unknown is knocking on your door at that late hour when you are most likely sleep and not expecting visitors. I don't know what sort of fantasy land you live in to think that it is extreme.

So you think I live in a fantasy land because I'd respond to someone knocking on my front door at 2:30 AM with mild annoyance instead of fear? Because I generally assume that anyone who'd wish to do me harm at 2:30 in the morning probably wouldn't announce their presence and would just break in instead?

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

You're wasting your time The Question. At this point the thread went beyond rhetorical.

 

[charl_huntress]

You WOULD be watching MOS while surfing the net.

lol...I didn't see it in the theaters. I just got it on Blu-ray and it's my second time watching it. Now I'm trying to read all the reviews and what not. I was determined to avoid until I saw it.

So you think I live in a fantasy land because I'd respond to someone knocking on my front door at 2:30 AM with mild annoyance instead of fear? Because I generally assume that anyone who'd wish to do me harm at 2:30 in the morning probably wouldn't announce their presence and would just break in instead?

No, I think you live in a fantasy land if you can't understand why someone (not you) could possibly be afraid at that hour and be more than just mildly annoyed.

 

[The Question]

No, I think you live in a fantasy land if you can't understand why someone (not you) could possibly be afraid at that hour and be more than just mildly annoyed.

Understand it? Sure I do. But I'm still not sure it's reasonable. I certainly don't think that introducing a gun to the situation is reasonable. Fearful or not, I don't see how responding to a knock on the door with picking up a shotgun could ever be considered a reasonable or justifiable response.

 

[charl_huntress]

See...I just have a different perspective on this. Without having been there or knowing all the details I can't really say if that was reasonable for that person, but I can understand their fear and why they may have been motivated by it. For me, I can imagine lots of scenarios where this person may have felt the need to arm themselves. It could be a bad neighborhood. Maybe they were in a deep sleep and mistook the sounds they heard and thought someone was breaking in. Maybe they were an old lady or man hard of hearing and were completely panicked.

 

[TheBat812]

None of that excuses or justifies shooting somebody in the face if they not actually inside of your house, or making grand moves like breaking your windows in order to get in. Somebody knocking in your door in the middle of the night might be scary enough to justify bringing your gun to the door, but still has no justification whatsoever for using it.

 

[Teelie]

Had it been my door she knocked on, I would be cautious but cautious doesn't mean blowing a hole in her head with a shotgun before going back to bed and neglecting to call the police. I might bring a weapon to use if necessary, depending on circumstances, but my first thought wouldn't be to use it on someone who seems to be in need of assistance. More than likely I'd call the police first or as I was answering the door.

Had it been me who was in an accident with no means of dialing 911 or getting help other than knocking on a door I'd be very careful not to look or act in any way dangerous or suspicious. I assume an unarmed 19 year old woman looking frantically for help would also do, except at certain houses where you'd be shot on sight.

 

[charl_huntress]

Again, I don't think that person shot them in cold blood. It sounds far more plausible it was accidental. Meaning they didn't mean to shoot her and it was a situation that went terribly wrong.

Now as for them not calling the police...that was absolutely wrong. They should have called the police. However, as I was explaining this story to a friend of mine she reminded me of an incident I had forgotten about. A friend of ours at the time hit someone with her car. It was an accident. It was in the daytime. She may have been going a little fast, but she wasn't drunk or anything like that. The person just darted in the road and she hit them. Now this girl is not some GTA wanna-be. She's a nice person and normally a law-abiding citizen, but in this instant she freaked out and took off. She didn't call the cops. She didn't even call for help. She just left. Her entire life was destroyed by this incident, but when asked why she fled and didn't call the cops. Her response...."I don't know. I was just scared."

My point with this is she was a good person who did a bad thing...it happens.

 

[the last son]

And you have to pay the price for it.

 

[Ant-manic]

Again, I don't think that person shot them in cold blood. It sounds far more plausible it was accidental. Meaning they didn't mean to shoot her and it was a situation that went terribly wrong.

Ray Charles could see the holes in that logic.

She didn't call the cops. She didn't even call for help. She just left. Her entire life was destroyed by this incident, but when asked why she fled and didn't call the cops. Her response...."I don't know. I was just scared."

My point with this is she was a good person who did a bad thing...it happens.

but not an "idiot" right; like the girl who got shot while looking for help?

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Update on the story:

The 19-year-old Detroit woman who was shot and killed Nov. 2 by a Dearborn Heights homeowner was shot in the face, according to an autopsy report issued Monday in a case that continues to have more questions than answers.

The report from the Wayne County Medical Examiner’s Office does not specify the distance from which the fatal shot was fired, but it provided additional details about Renisha McBride’s death.

“There was an entrance shotgun wound to the face, with no evidence of close range discharge of a firearm noted on the skin surrounding this wound,” reads the report by Assistant Medical Examiner Kilak Kesha, who ruled McBride’s death a homicide.

So the medical examiner rules it a homicide now it's up to the state to file charges if they want.

Full article at the link:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...lose-range?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

 

[Teelie]

My point with this is she was a good person who did a bad thing...it happens.

This sums up why I've given up on you. A good person who did a bad thing, the bad thing being asking for help from someone.

edit: I see you meant your friend who hit and ran someone. That's not even comparable to shooting someone in the face on your doorstep then not even calling the cops.